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Originally posted by TheIriaeban

Eric, I hate to keep bugging you but could I get a bit of a clarification? If you look at the map of Netheril on page 34 of GHotR, the location for Feloarhode would be the most southern portion of the Channel Mountains, southeast of Quagmire, possibly near the head waters of the east branch of the Watercourse river?

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Originally posted by ericlboyd

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Originally posted by TheIriaeban

Eric, I hate to keep bugging you but could I get a bit of a clarification? If you look at the map of Netheril on page 34 of GHotR, the location for Feloarhode would be the most southern portion of the Channel Mountains, southeast of Quagmire, possibly near the head waters of the east branch of the Watercourse river?

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Sorry I missed your question.

Channel Mountains, east of the Nugatory and the Two Rivers on the Netheril boxed set map.

--Eric

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Originally posted by Gary Dallison


Interestingly enough its yet another creation myth revolving around a large mountain that birthed creatures (like the Earthmother, and Othea, and the Yehimals). Can it still be classed as a myth if it is used again and again in separate locations by different races?

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Originally posted by TheIriaeban

Second Edit: NVM, I found it. Thank you for the clarification.

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Originally posted by Italian Archmage Karsus

Quick question, I was looking at Marune in City of Splendors, where he is revealed to possess Andrathath's Mask. I noticed he's NE, but in previous editions, the wearer of the mask must become Chaotic after a year. Given he's had a hundred of those, does that mean the 3e writeup of the mask has a different drawback or has a different effect of the mask been revealed? Given Marune was CE in previous editions, it seems to suggest either a typo or a reimagining of the mask's functions.

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Originally posted by kysus

Eric I was wondering what your thoughts might be on a specific detail in the seven citadels war, would any of the houses of Siluvanede that got corrupted by the Dlardrageths have had high mages during that war in their service and if so what would have happened to them at the end of that war?

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Originally posted by Marco Volo

Hi Eric,
I have a few 'Red Enclave in Waterdeep' questions.

1- How did Thay convinced the Lords to welcome an enclave?
2- Why did the city approuved it, knowing the Red Wizards probably wanted to be in the city for some dark and gloomy reasons?
3- How does illicit goods are sold if agents of the Lords are checking the deals conducted in Skullport?

Thanks a lot :)

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Originally posted by kysus

OMG! now you have me eager in anticipation lol. There is a line in the lost empires of faerun that could be read in a certain way that would lead one to believe that were corrupted high mages in that war, but I wasn't sure if i was just reading to much into it.

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Originally posted by kysus

OMG! now you have me eager in anticipation lol. There is a line in the lost empires of faerun that could be read in a certain way that would lead one to believe that were corrupted high mages in that war, but I wasn't sure if i was just reading to much into it.

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I'm not sure what you mean by "corrupted" High Mages, but to be clear there is no correlation between High Magic and being "good". Elvish history has seen plenty of evil, neutral, petty, amoral, uncaring High Mages.

-- George Krashos

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Originally posted by kysus

OMG! now you have me eager in anticipation lol. There is a line in the lost empires of faerun that could be read in a certain way that would lead one to believe that were corrupted high mages in that war, but I wasn't sure if i was just reading to much into it.

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I'm not sure what you mean by "corrupted" High Mages, but to be clear there is no correlation between High Magic and being "good". Elvish history has seen plenty of evil, neutral, petty, amoral, uncaring High Mages.

-- George Krashos

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Wait .... you mean creating a tidal wave to clear the land of humans isn't a good act?

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Originally posted by TheIriaeban

I put them right there with Lex Luthor. They decided at one point they wanted their own little island and it didn't matter what it did to the rest of the world. So, either they are inherently evil or they are incompetent at a staggering level and have no business working ANY kind of magic much less High Magic.

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Originally posted by TheIriaeban

Well, how about this? A human made a mistake that killed thousands (Karsus) and the first thing that Mystra did was to block that spell from happening again and then changed things so that she would have to approve for any spell near that power level to be cast. What did Corellon do? Not a darn thing. I haven't heard of High Mages getting a talking to or even a time out. Did they stop using High Magic because they realized that maybe they shouldn't wield that kind of power? Did Corellon put any kind of guiderails on High Magic? Nope. He is an absentee dad allowing his kids to play with dynamite and not caring who or what is affected. And his kids, who are supposed to be smart enough to know to be extremely careful, keep blowing up the neighbor's cat/car/house.

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@TheEdVerse

Ao cut off access through the Weave to spells above a certain power level (9th level in Torilian arcane magic terms) after the Folly of Karsus the over-reaching mortal. This means that more powerful spells fail upon casting when they access the Weave; it doesn’t matter who casts them (so the spells of gods, archdevils, demon princes would fail, when cast into Realmspace, out of Realmspace, or within Realmspace).

IF those spells use the Weave.

There are rituals and magic systems that don’t use the Weave, but the archmagi, covens of witches or hags, cabals of warlocks, and so on DO use the Weave in their rituals. Like the transplanted-to-Abeir wizards of Toril I mentioned in my earlier lore reply, such individuals would have to learn, or invent, an entire new system of magic to circumvent the Weave, and this would be hard for them without an expert tutor, because what they’re used to, which influences how they’d experiment and innovate, IS using the Weave; they’d have to go against all instinct and learned behavior. Like one of us getting behind the wheel of a vehicle and overcoming our learned tendencies to steer with the steering wheel and accelerate or brake using the pedals...because this new vehicle steers with taps of the peddles and accelerates or brakes by turning the wheel.

Do-able, but I anticipate many spectacular crashes.
#Realmslore


@Greysil_Tassyr

Wait -- *AO* is the one that banned those spells? So Mystra's Ban, as we've known it for so long, was actually Ao's ban?


@TheEdVerse

Yes. We know it in the Realms as Mystra's Ban because of priestly teachings (propaganda). "Regular folk" know nothing of Ao, but everyone knows about the goddess of magic.

At the time the Ban was enacted, Mystryl was in no condition to ban anything, and Mystra didn't exist yet.
#Realmslore

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Originally posted by ericlboyd

I think we can all agree that if I wield High Magic and I want a safe place for my family and kids to live, that's reasonable. Even if I do it by exterminating all the native intelligent life on the planet. That's not really my fault.

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Originally posted by George Krashos

I love how we all lapse into looking at elves through a Tolkien-esque LoTR lens. Good and noble, helping humans and dwarves and hobbits, etc. etc. The elves of Faerûn are the elves of the Silmarillion: some good, some bad, some in between, some welcoming, some xenophobic ... just like long-lived humans, really. In real terms, elves were pretty much the apex predator of the Realms at the height of their civilisation and very comfortably enjoyed their superiority in magic, tech and resources. They did things for themselves, and didn't care too much about the other races. It was only when their power dwindled that you saw them entering into alliances with dwarves and humans. Pride cometh and all that.

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Originally posted by George Krashos

I love how we all lapse into looking at elves through a Tolkien-esque LoTR lens. Good and noble, helping humans and dwarves and hobbits, etc. etc. The elves of Faerûn are the elves of the Silmarillion: some good, some bad, some in between, some welcoming, some xenophobic ... just like long-lived humans, really. In real terms, elves were pretty much the apex predator of the Realms at the height of their civilisation and very comfortably enjoyed their superiority in magic, tech and resources. They did things for themselves, and didn't care too much about the other races. It was only when their power dwindled that you saw them entering into alliances with dwarves and humans. Pride cometh and all that.

-- George Krashos

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Originally posted by kysus

Sorry i was using the word corrupted and tainted interchangeably. In lost empires of faerun pg 84. under the year -4300 it states " upon discovering the deceit of the Fey'ri, untainted Siluvanedenn high mages place the city of myth Adofhaer in magical stasis," etc etc. this line leads me to believe that in the seven citadels war there was tainted high mages probably from the houses that bred to make the fey'ri and either new about the whole house Dlardrageth plans or just approved of using magic from ancient magic from the crown wars and that there was high mages from the other houses in silvanede that new nothing of what was going on. So i was wondering with that line making a distinction between the two high mages of that realm what happened to the tainted high mages, did they all die fighting in that war or did the kingdom pursue a purge of the high mage ranks after the discovery of the fey'ri and what those houses did. I guess on the flip side i could be reading into this all wrong but was just curious as i had some cool ideas for my game that im running involving a elven safehold from this time period that belonged to a small circle of Siluvanedenn high mages that all got wiped out in the war and the players finding some of their journals and less than savory experiments that they performed as they sort to find a way to win the war that they were losing.
also with where this is going i never believed that there were just good high mages ive always just seen things as verying shades of gray, george i do agree with everything you said on that that elves come in every stripe, as for the rest of the conversation i will leave myself out of it as some of the stuff being said just gets me irritated to much and doesnt help me with progressing my story.

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Originally posted by ericlboyd

I think we can all agree that if I wield High Magic and I want a safe place for my family and kids to live, that's reasonable. Even if I do it by exterminating all the native intelligent life on the planet. That's not really my fault.

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