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edbonny
Forgotten Realms Designer
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 Posted - 20 Jan 2005 : 14:56:34
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Hmmm interesting idea....Thanks Ed
Any ideas what starting Regions would be suitable for the Chaond and Zenythri?
Definitely you would find chaonds and zenythri native to Mulhorand and Unther (being descended from the chaotic and lawful gods that once dwelt there). That would be where the majority of those 2 planetouched would be found anywhere on Faerun.
After that, I could see perhaps one or two of each kind turning up in Thay as a result of the Red Wizards' love of cross-breeding practices. I don't see them anywhere else though without some revelation linking a region to a lawful or chaotic planar influence.
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edbonny
Forgotten Realms Designer
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Posted - 20 Jan 2005 : 15:16:54
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Originally posted by The Sage
Actually there is, or rather, there was.
I did not know this. Did a half-slaad ever appear in print?
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But again, the nature of the Spawning Stone might suggest otherwise.
This is another excellent direction. Anything slaadi is possible with the Spawning Stone. Did you read about all those orange variant slaadi from a PS adventure years ago? Took the Spawning Stone to a new level. Fascinating stuff!
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Maybe not in the traditional sense, but who really knows what happens in the Infinity Pool  .
If it was ever going to happen, it probably would have happened when Orcus assumed control of the modrons for that year of the Great Modron March. He could have even ordered them to "Go forth and be fertile!"
I never thought of the Infinity Pool in the way you suggest but now that you mention it, I could see it as a place for modrons to get an upgrade to become fully functional for such purposes.
All this modron talk also brings to mind a hierarch rogue named (if memory serves) Secundus who lives on one of the Upper Planes. He/She/It would certainly have the capability (and possibly the desire) to procreate.
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I've often run my planar campaigns in much the same way. Some planes have greater effects though, especially on those creatures who are directly opposed, morally, to the alignment of the plane.
This alignment of the PC is a great idea! You should write a Dragon article on it.
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It has been speculated that the slaadi are actually the nature of Limbo made manifest.
I've always felt that way. Where else would they have originated from?
- Ed
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Dargoth
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Jan 2005 : 21:54:24
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I have a couple of ideas
My Initial idea was to cover the creation of Chaond and Zenythri by saying that when a Demon, Devil, Archon/Angels and Eladrin breed they pass on ONE Aspect of there alignment physiology to there off spring
Devils: Tieflings and Zenythri
Demons: Tiefling and Chaond
Archons/Angels: Zenythri and Aasimars
Eladrin: Chaond and Aasimars
Yuggoloths and Guardinal can only produce Tieflings and Aasimars
The other idea I had tht was inspired by Ed Bs origional post was that there has been an increase in the number of Planetouched in the realms due to the Time of Troubles. Ed suggested that exposure to the Planes or a gate to a plane could alter someone in that any children they have are planetouched. What I was thinking is why not take this a step furthur and tie it into the Realms. If living next to a gate can do it what might happan if your living in the shadow of dead god ie Tantras, northern Cormyr, Waterdeep etc
Tantras for example may have seen a number of children born after the Time of Troubles with strange physiology
Aasimars: From Torm
Zenythri: From Bane and Torm (Both are Lawful)
Tieflings: Bane
There could also be Zenythri in Northern Cormyr from the death of the origional Mystra...
I feel another Candlekeep article coming on...
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 20 Jan 2005 : 23:59:41
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Originally posted by Dargoth
I have a couple of ideas
My Initial idea was to cover the creation of Chaond and Zenythri by saying that when a Demon, Devil, Archon/Angels and Eladrin breed they pass on ONE Aspect of there alignment physiology to there off spring
Devils: Tieflings and Zenythri
Demons: Tiefling and Chaond
Archons/Angels: Zenythri and Aasimars
Eladrin: Chaond and Aasimars
Yuggoloths and Guardinal can only produce Tieflings and Aasimars
The other idea I had tht was inspired by Ed Bs origional post was that there has been an increase in the number of Planetouched in the realms due to the Time of Troubles. Ed suggested that exposure to the Planes or a gate to a plane could alter someone in that any children they have are planetouched. What I was thinking is why not take this a step furthur and tie it into the Realms. If living next to a gate can do it what might happan if your living in the shadow of dead god ie Tantras, northern Cormyr, Waterdeep etc
Tantras for example may have seen a number of children born after the Time of Troubles with strange physiology
Aasimars: From Torm
Zenythri: From Bane and Torm (Both are Lawful)
Tieflings: Bane
There could also be Zenythri in Northern Cormyr from the death of the origional Mystra...
I feel another Candlekeep article coming on...
Man, that is a really good idea...
I believe Ibrandul was slain under Waterdeep somewhere. Shaundakul killed some deity in Myth Drannor... Nobanion was hunting someone (I'm not home, so I can't check) during the ToT, but I don't recall if that deity was slain or not (I want to say it was Malar, so that would be a no). |
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 21 Jan 2005 : 04:28:11
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I believe Ibrandul was slain under Waterdeep somewhere.
Yep, by Shar. You have a good memory for the killing of deities. Hobby?
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Shaundakul killed some deity in Myth Drannor...
Yes, he was believed to have killed a demipower if I recall correctly. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 21 Jan 2005 : 05:26:53
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I believe Ibrandul was slain under Waterdeep somewhere.
Yep, by Shar. You have a good memory for the killing of deities. Hobby?
Hey, I've got to use that stuff betwixt my ears for something...
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Shaundakul killed some deity in Myth Drannor...
Yes, he was believed to have killed a demipower if I recall correctly.
An orcish one, ne? |
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Dargoth
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Posted - 21 Jan 2005 : 05:27:45
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Now the real question is what Racial feats could a Chaond or Zenythri have?
I guess we could get a Lawful/Chaotic Bloodline feat fairly easily by using the Fiendish/Celestial bloodline feats as a base
Lawful Bloodline
Prerequisites: Zenythri, base Fortitude, reflex and Will saves +1
Benefit: You gain the ability to cast protection from Chaos 3 times per day and Command once per day as spell like abilities with a caster level equal to your caster level
Chaotic Bloodline
Prerequisites: Chaond, base Fortitude, reflex and Will saves +1
Benefit: You gain the ability to cast protection from Law 3 times per day and ?????? (maybe Doom) once per day as spell like abilities with a caster level equal to your caster level
Im not sure how you would do a Zenythri or Chaond version for Light to Daylight/Deepening Darkness
I guess Keen edge could considered a greater version of Truestrike not sure what a 3rd spell which is a greater version of Shatter would be.
Improved energy can be used as printed for Chaond and Zenythri
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 21 Jan 2005 : 05:32:13
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An orcish one, ne?
F&A said one from the orc, gnoll, or giant pantheon. Did Faiths and Pantheons provide any further details? |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 21 Jan 2005 : 11:18:09
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
An orcish one, ne?
F&A said one from the orc, gnoll, or giant pantheon. Did Faiths and Pantheons provide any further details?
More detail in Faiths & Pantheons? This is a joke, right?  
F&P doesn't even mention his activities in the ToT. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 21 Jan 2005 : 14:12:39
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Originally posted by edbonny
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Originally posted by The Sage
Actually there is, or rather, there was.
I did not know this. Did a half-slaad ever appear in print?
In an official capacity, no... unfortunately  . That would have been something to see...  . As I recall, there were several varieties posted on both the (old) PS Mailing List, and the first Mimir.net.
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But again, the nature of the Spawning Stone might suggest otherwise.
This is another excellent direction. Anything slaadi is possible with the Spawning Stone. Did you read about all those orange variant slaadi from a PS adventure years ago? Took the Spawning Stone to a new level. Fascinating stuff!
In fact I did. I continued some elements of that adventure (and the orange slaadi) in a hook I wrote for Planewalker.com.
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Maybe not in the traditional sense, but who really knows what happens in the Infinity Pool .
If it was ever going to happen, it probably would have happened when Orcus assumed control of the modrons for that year of the Great Modron March. He could have even ordered them to "Go forth and be fertile!"
Ooh... I love it. I'm doing this the next time I run the Great Modron March. Thanks .
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I never thought of the Infinity Pool in the way you suggest but now that you mention it, I could see it as a place for modrons to get an upgrade to become fully functional for such purposes.
I wrote a piece for Planewalker.com that painted the Infinity Pool in a light similar to that of the Source, that the Believers... believe in as part of their philosophy. It was meant to be an alternate theory that suggested how the modrons progressed through the hierarchy set by Primus.
I think it's still on there.
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All this modron talk also brings to mind a hierarch rogue named (if memory serves) Secundus who lives on one of the Upper Planes. He/She/It would certainly have the capability (and possibly the desire) to procreate.
I don't even want to think about the consequences that would come with such a situation... especially if more modrons somehow gained this ability. Imagine the changes that would occur planar wide if suddenly the all the modrons in Mechanus suddenly acquired the ability to reproduce.
The Blood War would be the least of everyone's concerns... .
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I've often run my planar campaigns in much the same way. Some planes have greater effects though, especially on those creatures who are directly opposed, morally, to the alignment of the plane.
This alignment of the PC is a great idea! You should write a Dragon article on it.
Thanks. I might just do that. Even if it doesn't get accepted, I'll submit it to Planewalker.com.
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It has been speculated that the slaadi are actually the nature of Limbo made manifest.
I've always felt that way. Where else would they have originated from?
You'd be surprised by some of the wild theories about slaadi origins that have been put forth from time to time. Everything from Far Realm incursions, to the diabolical manipulations of the 'loths....
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Gray Richardson
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Posted - 21 Jan 2005 : 19:15:09
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I don't even want to think about the consequences that would come with such a situation... especially if more modrons somehow gained this ability. Imagine the changes that would occur planar wide if suddenly the all the modrons in Mechanus suddenly acquired the ability to reproduce.
The Blood War would be the least of everyone's concerns...
Hah, Indeed! I can just imagine about a million modrons marching into the midst of a raging Blood War battle with a gleam in their eyes and smiles on their faces... leaving the whole lot of the surprised fiends some 9 months later with little half-modron/half-baatezu or half-tanar'ri bundles of joy, protesting ashamedly to their curious, demon prince and arch-devil superiors: "I don't want to talk about it!"
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You'd be surprised by some of the wild theories about slaadi origins that have been put forth from time to time. Everything from Far Realm incursions, to the diabolical manipulations of the 'loths....
Not to mention that some scholars believe the Slaadi to be the remnants of the lost Batrachi creator race. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 22 Jan 2005 : 09:41:15
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Not to mention that some scholars believe the Slaadi to be the remnants of the lost Batrachi creator race.
I'd not heard about that theory. Tell me more...
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Dargoth
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Posted - 22 Jan 2005 : 09:43:10
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The Sage
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Posted - 22 Jan 2005 : 10:07:55
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I started writing an article today for Candlekeep on the Abbey of the Martyred goddess
That sounds interesting. As I recall, it's been detailed previously, but I cannot remember where.
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Dargoth
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Posted - 22 Jan 2005 : 10:12:16
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Dargoth
I started writing an article today for Candlekeep on the Abbey of the Martyred goddess
That sounds interesting. As I recall, it's been detailed previously, but I cannot remember where.
It shouldnt be I made it up!
I think your thinking of one of Ilmaters abbeys I seem to recall one them has the word Martyred in it.
The article will also include a new Monk order, The Order of the Arcane fist
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 22 Jan 2005 : 10:17:33
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Originally posted by Dargoth
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Dargoth
I started writing an article today for Candlekeep on the Abbey of the Martyred goddess
That sounds interesting. As I recall, it's been detailed previously, but I cannot remember where.
It shouldnt be I made it up!
I think your thinking of one of Ilmaters abbeys I seem to recall one them has the word Martyred in it.
The article will also include a new Monk order, The Order of the Arcane fist
That's the one...  .
I'm anticipating your work now, even moreso... since it's not something we've seen or read about before. Any hints or tidbits about the Order to keep us satisfied until you're finished?
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Dargoth
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Posted - 22 Jan 2005 : 10:23:22
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You can give me hand if you want
Im working on racial feat for Zenythri and Chaond and Im trying reverse engineer some of the racial feats for Aasamars and Tieflings
What do you reckon for a Zenythri or Chaond version of Light to Daylight/Deepening Darkness what would be the benefit?
I guess Keen edge could considered a greater version of Truestrike, Im not sure what a 3rd spell which is a greater version of Shatter would be?
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warlockco
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Dargoth
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Posted - 22 Jan 2005 : 11:58:02
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Got one
Shatterfloor its a 3rd level wizard spell in Magic of Faerun |
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Chaond and Zenythri in the FR
