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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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 Posted - 14 Dec 2004 : 04:38:15
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
Not my fave type, I much prefer poster/pull out. However, I'll take the above over no map whatsoever.
Gracias Dargoth for passing along the word.
Ditto that. The pull-out maps are the best. Those are worth much more to me than the ones printed in the book -- for one thing, I can examine the area while reading about it, without having to flip back and forth!  |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 14 Dec 2004 : 15:16:06
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Ditto that. The pull-out maps are the best. Those are worth much more to me than the ones printed in the book -- for one thing, I can examine the area while reading about it, without having to flip back and forth!
Precisely. But, I have no idea of the production cost of that version versus the in-book map. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 14 Dec 2004 : 22:52:38
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Ditto that. The pull-out maps are the best. Those are worth much more to me than the ones printed in the book -- for one thing, I can examine the area while reading about it, without having to flip back and forth!
Precisely. But, I have no idea of the production cost of that version versus the in-book map.
It is undoubtedly more, but I'd happily pay an extra buck or two for the pull-out map. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 15 Dec 2004 : 01:41:14
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
It is undoubtedly more, but I'd happily pay an extra buck or two for the pull-out map.
That makes two of us. But, for all I know we are the minority. Plus, it's not like WOTC is asking even in the surveys that I've seen this subject has not come up. |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 15 Dec 2004 : 02:07:39
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It does not cost a buck or two to provide a pull out of book map.
There are many ways to achieve such a thing without a lot of extra cost, some of which costs no more in production cost.
1) Print map with cut here line, other side of page holding another map or al least notes concerning the map. (No additional cost, though customer might damage other parts pf book by not cutting carefuly)
2) Soft cover books one can provide a centerfold detachable (for small map two sheets cost tends to be extra stables and extra book assemble, this of course can include larger maps folded in, however the cost of their production is an added cost)
3) Hard or soft cover, maps could be perferated for easy removal. (added cost perferation of the sheets before book assembled, also has risk owner ma[ removal error , however less then the cut here.)
4) Any, provide map as not part of the book itself, provide as a package ( No additional print cost, however packaging cost, map needs to ne placed inside book or outside and packaged [shrink wrap most common these days] that can handle any map, if large map there is of that added cost.)
There might be other options as well, however non of these require a much higher production cost. Things like color, larger maps certainly add to cost factors but I do not believe any (short of royalities) should cost over 50 USA cents per unit (and that wouldbe both color and a large map). |
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"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
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Mystery_Man
Senior Scribe
USA
455 Posts |
Posted - 15 Dec 2004 : 13:33:57
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Kentinal
Great Reader
4688 Posts |
Posted - 15 Dec 2004 : 13:50:33
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| Well that would be nice for those that have computer and internet access. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
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Bakra
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 15 Dec 2004 : 18:07:59
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Looks like a keeper...broke down some of the numbers comparing what I think is crunch vs flavor....Chapter 1 has what I think is 27 pages of crunch (total number of feats,prcl, an ancient spells) for example, while Chapter 6 has 16 pages of flavor. I do not know what to make of Chapter 11 it is either 32 pages of crunch or flavor....
I think I will wait for a review of it after it comes out before shelling out $30+ on it. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Posted - 16 Dec 2004 : 00:42:53
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The Sunmaster Prc is likely a PrC for Clerics of Amaunator (a Netherese god)in Faithes and Avatars Amaunators Speciality priests where called Sunlords/Sunladies
The Magelord Prc is from the nation where Elminster was born
An as we know Glorious Servitor is from Mulhorand
Which leaves us with
Olin Gisir and Cultist of the
Shattered Peak neither of which Ive heard of (Although I have vague recolections of a Shattered Peak some where)
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Posted - 03 Jan 2005 : 13:31:45
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Hmmm noticed that LEOF introduces a new type of magic item
The Sceptre
Is a sceptre a weapon or a spell charged item like a wand? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 03 Jan 2005 : 23:10:46
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Hmmm noticed that LEOF introduces a new type of magic item
The Sceptre
Is a sceptre a weapon or a spell charged item like a wand?
Recalling the Netherese blast scepter, I'd say it's something more like a magical rod, rather than a weapon. (BTW, I still loathe the new delineation betwixt rods and wands and such  ) |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Posted - 04 Jan 2005 : 01:09:53
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Hmm I wonder if they will change the Dreadmasters "Rod Craft" ability to "Sceptre Craft" |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jan 2005 : 01:23:10
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Hmm I wonder if they will change the Dreadmasters "Rod Craft" ability to "Sceptre Craft"
That, or make the two abilities interchangable... |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 05 Jan 2005 : 07:13:49
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
(BTW, I still loathe the new delineation betwixt rods and wands and such )
As do I. I've never heard a convincing enough argument for why this is so. I've altered the rules concerning that exact delineation a few times in some campaigns, but many players do not like that at all...  .
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jan 2005 : 11:22:43
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
(BTW, I still loathe the new delineation betwixt rods and wands and such )
As do I. I've never heard a convincing enough argument for why this is so. I've altered the rules concerning that exact delineation a few times in some campaigns, but many players do not like that at all... .
I suppose they did it for simplification... Still, I don't see why 2 similar spells can't be stuck in a wand, as with the 2E wand of lightning. |
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Hymn
Senior Scribe
Sweden
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Posted - 09 Jan 2005 : 22:02:18
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Looks like they opted to not take in the Brown Dragon nor the Skriaxit in the monster section. They have been covered before all though it would have been interesting to see some more info on the Skriaxit. I find them really interesting.
I wonder if the Glorious servitors has anything to do/ a close likeness with the Devine Minions. |
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edbonny
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
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Posted - 18 Jan 2005 : 17:15:53
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Originally posted by Hymn
Looks like they opted to not take in the Brown Dragon nor the Skriaxit in the monster section. They have been covered before all though it would have been interesting to see some more info on the Skriaxit. I find them really interesting.
I wonder if the Glorious servitors has anything to do/ a close likeness with the Devine Minions.
Hey All!
While the brown dragon was not updated for LEOF, one was written in (by yours truly) as an NPC in Chapter 4's adventure, Sonjar's Tower.
And Hymn is quite correct in linking Glorious Servitors with Divine Minions.
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 18 Jan 2005 : 19:48:23
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Originally posted by edbonny
Hey All!
While the brown dragon was not updated for LEOF, one was written in (by yours truly) as an NPC in Chapter 4's adventure, Sonjar's Tower.
And Hymn is quite correct in linking Glorious Servitors with Divine Minions.
- Ed
Ed,
Welcome to Candlekeep and thanks for the information. Do you know there is a writer out there for Realms' products with the exact same name as your nick? What a funny coincidence.
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edbonny
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
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Posted - 18 Jan 2005 : 19:58:06
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
[Ed,
Welcome to Candlekeep and thanks for the information. Do you know there is a writer out there for Realms' products with the exact same name as your nick? What a funny coincidence.
SB
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 18 Jan 2005 : 20:08:32
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by edbonny
Hey All!
While the brown dragon was not updated for LEOF, one was written in (by yours truly) as an NPC in Chapter 4's adventure, Sonjar's Tower.
And Hymn is quite correct in linking Glorious Servitors with Divine Minions.
- Ed
Ed,
Welcome to Candlekeep and thanks for the information. Do you know there is a writer out there for Realms' products with the exact same name as your nick? What a funny coincidence.
SB
Perhaps Mr. Bonny should be given a custom title. The indication is that he has worked at least for TSR, not sure of current status.
Might be an imp as well, but that could be my suspisious nature. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2005 : 04:18:40
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Originally posted by edbonny
There are no coincidences where the Realms are concerned. Of that I am certain.
Oh, I agree on that. Please if you can stick around. I have a feeling in about a month, some scribes will have a few questions for you.  |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 19 Jan 2005 : 04:48:46
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Yes, you are very much welcome here, Ed!
I think Alaundo should add a "Questions for Ed Bonny" sticky in this RPG forum for the impending avalanche of questions next month. After all, what would Candlekeep be if we didn't properly greet our esteemed FR authors and designers before we start grill- ... errr ... questioning them.
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 19 Jan 2005 : 06:52:02
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Originally posted by George Krashos
Yes, you are very much welcome here, Ed!
I think Alaundo should add a "Questions for Ed Bonny" sticky in this RPG forum for the impending avalanche of questions next month. After all, what would Candlekeep be if we didn't properly greet our esteemed FR authors and designers before we start grill- ... errr ... questioning them.
-- George Krashos
Careful Krash, remember what goes around comes around
Alaundo, could put in a "Ask George Krashos" thread. |
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
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Posted - 19 Jan 2005 : 08:35:25
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::chuckle:: 
Aye, well met, edbonny, and welcome to Candlekeep.
I certainly feel that a thread for thyself is in order, which i'll get set up soon.
Oh i've oft wondered about a scroll for George, in fact I did approach him previously on the matter... don't think thou art safe, George 
In the meantime, please direct any general questions on this scroll. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Posted - 19 Jan 2005 : 09:28:56
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oldskool
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 19 Jan 2005 : 10:40:54
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Dang. Although, yes, indeedy, that book looks SUPER sweeet with all the ancient history stuff in it... (yummy Narfell, yummy Netheril, yummy yummy High Forest secrets) as many of you can probably guess, I was hoping for at least a tid or bit of more info on.... *drumroll* the Creator Races...
Maybe a "Really Lost Empires of Faerun" book in the future? heh
I believe this constant Creator Race information drought is making me a bit daft and obsessive on the topic.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 19 Jan 2005 : 11:20:22
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Originally posted by oldskool
I believe this constant Creator Race information drought is making me a bit daft and obsessive on the topic.
That just means you'll fit in better. |
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edbonny
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
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Posted - 19 Jan 2005 : 13:49:27
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Originally posted by George Krashos
Yes, you are very much welcome here, Ed!
I think Alaundo should add a "Questions for Ed Bonny" sticky in this RPG forum for the impending avalanche of questions next month. After all, what would Candlekeep be if we didn't properly greet our esteemed FR authors and designers before we start grill- ... errr ... questioning them.
-- George Krashos
Thank you very much everyone for the hearty welcome and hello George! As you all may know or have guessed, George was instrumental in keeping all the facts straight, pointing out inconsistencies, and all that other good Realmsian stuff when I was writing LEOF.
I would be honored to have a sticky thread. LOEF was a huge undertaking and there was just so much Realmslore out there that you all can get a behind the scenes as the who, when, what, where and why of the half of the book I wrote.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 19 Jan 2005 : 14:14:59
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Originally posted by edbonny
I would be honored to have a sticky thread. LOEF was a huge undertaking and there was just so much Realmslore out there that you all can get a behind the scenes as the who, when, what, where and why of the half of the book I wrote.
If that isn't enough incentive to create a personal scroll for Mr Bonny... then I don't know what is...  .
Greetings to you, Mr Bonny . We are honoured by your presence here at Candlekeep.
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oldskool
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 20 Jan 2005 : 01:07:13
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Originally posted by oldskool
I believe this constant Creator Race information drought is making me a bit daft and obsessive on the topic.
That just means you'll fit in better.
I never said it before, but I just have to complement you on your choice of usernames, Wooly Rupert.
heheheheh. I really enjoyed the Space Hamster entry in the MC Appendix: Spelljammer, if only as a source of laughter rather than serious game stats.
Wooly Rupert (the Spelljammer one, not you) always sort of reminded me of Spiny Norman from that old Monty Python episode...
"Dimmesdale!"
"Dimmesdale!"
*giggles noisily to himself*
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