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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 09 Dec 2004 : 23:05:43
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Introduction 4 The Ruin-Based Campaign 4 What’s Inside 5 What You Need to Play 5
Chapter 1: Ancient Secrets 6 Ancient Feats 6 Arcane Manipulation 6 Arcane Transfiguration 6 Channel Charge 7 Cormanthyran Moon Magic 7 Craft Scepter 8 Familiar Concentration 8 Godsight 8 Greenbound Summoning 8 Item Reprieve 8 Jergal’s Pact 8 Multilingual 8 Netherese Battle Curse 8 Servant of the Fallen 9 Spell Reprieve 9 Trapmaster 9 Wounding Spell 9 Prestige Classes 10 Cultist of the Shattered Peak 10 Glorious Servitor 13 Magelord 17 Olin Gisir 21 Sunmaster 25 Ancient Spells 29 Assassin Spell 29 Bard Spell 29 Cleric Spells 29 Druid Spells 29 Paladin Spell 29 Sorcerer/Wizard Spells 29 Spell Descriptions 30
Chapter 2: Dreams of the Past 36 The Ruins of the Past 36 Cities into Dungeons 36 Interesting Sites 38 Ancient Deities 41 Amaunator 41 Auppenser 41 Bhaal 41 Gilgeam 42 Leira 42 Moander 42 Myrkul 43 Ramman 43 Tchazzar 43 Epic Magic 43 Mystra’s Ban and Epic Magic 43 Epic Spell 43 Epic Spell Seeds 44 Mythals 45 What Is a Mythal? 45 Raising a Mythal 45 Sample Mythal: The Wards of Silverymoon 50
Chapter 3: The Crown Wars 51 History 51 Timeline 51 Keepers of the Past 52 Songs and Stories 53 Important Sites 56 Aryvandaar 56 Illefarn 57 Ilythiir 58 Miyeritar 58 Legacies of the Crown Wars 59 Adventure Seeds 59 Buried Secrets 59
Chapter 4: God-Kings of the East 60 History 60 Timeline 60 Keepers of the Past 63 Songs and Stories 63 Important Sites 64 Imaskar 64 Mulhorand 66 Narfell 67 Raumathar 68 Unther 69 Legacies of the Old Empires 70 Adventure Seeds 70 Buried Secrets 70 Heirs to the Empire 70 Adventure Site: Sonjar’s Tower 72 Background 72 The Earth Node 72 Tower Features 73 Keyed Areas 73
Chapter 5: Realms of the High Forest 83 History 83 Timeline 84 Keepers of the Past 85 Songs and Stories 85 Important Sites 86 Ammarindar 86 Delzoun 87 Eaerlann 89 Sharrven 91 Siluvanede 92 Legacies of the High Forest 92 Adventure Seeds 92 Heirs of the High Forest 94
Chapter 6: Fallen Netheril 95 High and Low Netheril 95 History 96 Timeline 96 Keepers of the Past 100 Songs and Stories 102 Important Sites 104 The Lost Kingdoms 104 Low Netheril 105 Netherese Colonies 107 Shattered Cities 108 Surviving Cities 109 Western Diaspora 109 Legacies of Netheril 111 Adventure Seeds 111 Buried Secrets 111 Heirs to the Empire 112
Chapter 7: The Imperial South 113 History 113 Timeline 113 Keepers of the Past 116 Songs and Stories 117 Important Sites 117 Coramshan 117 High Shanatar 118 Memnonnar 119 Jhaamdath 120 Shoon Imperium 121 Tethir 122 Legacies of the Past 123 Adventure Seeds 123 Buried Secrets 123 Heirs to the Empire 124
Chapter 8: The Dream of Cormanthyr 125 History 125 Timeline 125 Keepers of the Past 129 Songs and Stories 129 Important Sites 132 The Elven Court 132 Myth Drannor 133 Semberholme 133 Vale of Lost Voices 133 Legacies of Cormanthyr 134 Adventure Seeds 134 Buried Secrets 135
Chapter 9: The Old North 136 History 136 Timeline 136 Keepers of the Past 142 Songs and Stories 142 Important Sites 142 Ardeep 142 Gauntlgrym 143 Old Illusk 144 Phalorm 144 Legacies of the Old North 146 Adventure Site: Keep on the Frontier 146 Background 146 Keep Features 146 Keyed Areas 146 Concluding the Adventure 150
Chapter 10: Artifacts of the Past 151 Magic Item Descriptions 151 Weapons 151 Rings 152 Scepters 153 Staffs 153 Wondrous Items 154 Artifacts 156 Minor Artifacts 156 Major Artifacts 157
Chapter 11: Monsters of the Ancient Lands 160 Arachnids, Giant 160 Combat 160 Giant Whip Scorpion 160 Giant Whip Spider 161 Giant Sun Spider 162 Baneguard 162 Baneguard 162 Direguard 162 Crawling Claw 163 Combat 164 Creation 164 Curst 165 Sample Curst 165 Creating a Curst 165 Deepspawn 166 Combat 167 Demon, Ghour 168 Combat 168 Dread 169 Combat 169 Dread Warrior 169 Sample Dread Warrior 169 Creating a Dread Warrior 170 Flameskull 171 Combat 171 Foulwing 172 Combat 172 Gorynych 172 Combat 173 Greenbound Creature 173 Sample Greenbound Creature 174 Creating a Greenbound Creature 174 Helmed Horror 175 Helmed Horror 175 Battle Horror 177 Ixzan 177 Combat 178 Lycanthrope 178 Combat 178 Lycanthrope, Drow Werebat 178 Lycanthrope, Werecat 179 Lycanthrope, Werecrocodile 181 Lycanthrope, Wereshark 183 Metalmaster 184 Combat 184 Nightshade, Nighthaunt 185 Combat 185 Nishruu 186 Combat 186 Phaerimm 187 Combat 187 Phaerimm Characters 189 Tomb Tapper 189 Combat 190 Construction 190 Tressym 191 Combat 191 Velvet Worm, Giant 191 Combat 192
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Edited by - Alaundo on 20 Feb 2005 21:22:52
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 10 Dec 2004 : 01:40:13
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Some comments
It seems to be very light on crunch
It looks like there finally going to address Mystras denial and Epic magic
Ill be most intrigued to read what theyve written about Bhaal and Mykrul
Im a little disturbed that most of the lost empires only get one page.... |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1272 Posts |
Posted - 10 Dec 2004 : 01:55:51
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From what you have posted, Dargoth, it is automatically a must-have for me. I particularly want to know more abuot the ancient deities and the old elven kingdoms. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 10 Dec 2004 : 02:36:02
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Whoa... Some of that stuff looks seriously intriguing... It's too bad that there's not more of a write-up on the empires, though. This book could be three times as long and still not provide all the lore we want! |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 10 Dec 2004 : 02:48:47
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I see Crown Wars, High Forest, and Cormanthyr so I'm happy. |
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Capn Charlie
Senior Scribe
USA
418 Posts |
Posted - 10 Dec 2004 : 02:50:41
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Well, this is one I'll have to have, no questions asked. Information on the old empires AND the crown war era? How could I refuse... |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 10 Dec 2004 : 03:02:16
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Dargoth:
Where did you find this information? WOTC Boards and Richard Baker? Or another source?
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Mystery_Man
Senior Scribe
USA
455 Posts |
Posted - 10 Dec 2004 : 03:45:46
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I'm shocked, I'm happy. I'm shappy!
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Kentinal
Great Reader
4688 Posts |
Posted - 10 Dec 2004 : 05:52:02
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Hmm considering that less then a page is devoted to many of the topics either the print font is extremely small or the topics not well discussed.
Oh BTW shouting tends not to impress some either. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 10 Dec 2004 : 06:39:45
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quote: Originally posted by SiriusBlack
Dargoth:
Where did you find this information? WOTC Boards and Richard Baker? Or another source?
The Ask Rich Baker thread |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 10 Dec 2004 : 07:43:15
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Whoa! this is some serious must-have bookage!!!!
I can't begin to babble about what I can't wait to read from these pages... Cormanthyrian Moon Magic... <drooling all over my chin...> |
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Alexander Heppe
Seeker
Germany
62 Posts |
Posted - 10 Dec 2004 : 08:04:12
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Wow. Just in case you got me wrong, once again: Wow!
Finally a book which summarizes why the Realms are called "forgotten", after all, explaining why there are so many nice little dungeons to throw at your players.
And adventures, too! But I can't help myself, but "Keep on the Frontier" reminds me of something I´ve played before in another campaign...
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Reefy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
892 Posts |
Posted - 10 Dec 2004 : 10:45:20
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I have to say it wasn't initially a title which struck me as must have but I thought I probably would buy it. Having seen the contents, I must confess I'm now very much looking forward to it. The only thing I'm slightly put out by is that a large chunk of the monsters are from Monsters of Faerûn, probably only being slightly amended to update to 3.5. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6666 Posts |
Posted - 10 Dec 2004 : 12:06:25
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Hey, this could actually turn out to be a good product!
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Brother Ezra
Learned Scribe
USA
268 Posts |
Posted - 10 Dec 2004 : 12:52:06
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I'm pretty excited after reviewing the contents. Looks like they went for a comprehensive coverage of every major ancient empire and tried to give at least a little coverage to each, instead of focusing on a select number of ancient realms and neglecting others entirely. This is a must-have for me for three reasons: 1. Narfell, Raumathar and Imaskar are covered. 2. Mystra's Ban is covered. 3. Looks like they will make an attempt to update the epic spell seeds from the Epic Level Handbook to 3.5. Overall, I'm very encouraged, and look forward to having it in my grubby mitts. |
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
United Kingdom
5695 Posts |
Posted - 10 Dec 2004 : 14:00:21
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Well met
Absolutely splendid Thank ye, Dargoth. I'm even more excited about this tome. Like Brother Ezra, i'm especially glad to see the likes of Nar within it's pages
I would liked to have seen more space devoted to each area, but with how ancient Faerun is, and the number of places to cover, the tome would be a fair size if that were the case.
I wonder, are there any maps within?
Oh, and Dargoth..... i'm very pleased with the lack of crunch, as i'm sure are many others
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Xysma
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 10 Dec 2004 : 23:05:46
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quote: Originally posted by Xysma
I am even more excited about this book now. I'm really looking forward to the information on the Mythals and the dead gods, but everything in it looks interesting. Now, if only Champions of Ruin and City of Splendors look as promising, we're in for a good year.
I'm curious to see what they say about Mythals, myself -- particularly Silverymoon's mythal. I certainly hope they explain how it got there, since it was never mentioned before 3E...
But I must ask you a question: How can a book on Waterdeep not look promising? |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 10 Dec 2004 : 23:36:28
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quote: Originally posted by Wooly Rupert I'm curious to see what they say about Mythals, myself -- particularly Silverymoon's mythal. I certainly hope they explain how it got there, since it was never mentioned before 3E...
But I must ask you a question: How can a book on Waterdeep not look promising?
Actually it was. :) Volo's Guide to the North mentions it as a rumor but now Mythal's, High Magic, etc, is just all based on the magic in the Epic Handbook. :( |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6666 Posts |
Posted - 11 Dec 2004 : 00:03:05
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For the "greater good" of the Realms, the chapter you should all be looking forward to is the one on Netheril. Trust me.
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Hymn
Senior Scribe
Sweden
514 Posts |
Posted - 11 Dec 2004 : 01:11:43
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Well not for me George, that Chapter 4 just makes me want to sneak over to WotC and steal a copy (what ever state it is in). Hope it's something new more tangiable and not just a summary of the earlier information on the Imaskari. It's 2 full pages which makes it the biggest heap of info on them so far. As for the rest it sure looks interesting as well. Can't wait. And yes, the mucho grande fluff content is sure a nice thing. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6666 Posts |
Posted - 11 Dec 2004 : 06:07:46
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Whilst not intending to derail the excitement train, I will repeat myself from a couple of months ago that this is not an Arcane Age product - using it will not allow you to run a campaign in ancient Imaskar, Narfell, Sharrven, Jhaamdath, et. al. (well, not without a heck of a lot of input on the DM's part). It's a product set in the here and now that gives background on lost empires and talks about their present-day legacies. Also, there's only so much you can fit in a page or so on a realm. Let's not get those unrealistic expectations going ...
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Kentinal
Great Reader
4688 Posts |
Posted - 11 Dec 2004 : 06:53:23
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quote: Originally posted by George Krashos
Whilst not intending to derail the excitement train, I will repeat myself from a couple of months ago that this is not an Arcane Age product - using it will not allow you to run a campaign in ancient Imaskar, Narfell, Sharrven, Jhaamdath, et. al. (well, not without a heck of a lot of input on the DM's part). It's a product set in the here and now that gives background on lost empires and talks about their present-day legacies. Also, there's only so much you can fit in a page or so on a realm. Let's not get those unrealistic expectations going ...
-- George Krashos
It might however provide inspriration for some novels. I already commented on the apparent limited page alocation to topic. In a lot of ways it might be considered (from the sounds of it) a brief lore of many things. An encyclopedia of sorts. It does appear to offer some game tools, feats and so on that could be rediscovered to bring into a more recent time period. If the source is good enough an ancient city might be rediscovered, though as indicated it most likely appears the DM will have to expand the information provided. All in all it will be interesting to discover the contents and how useable they can become. |
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Brother Ezra
Learned Scribe
USA
268 Posts |
Posted - 11 Dec 2004 : 14:54:51
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quote: Originally posted by Alaundo
I wonder, are there any maps within?
I just read on the Realms-L mailing list that there were plans to include a map of the Realms circa DR -650. That would be a lovely addition. |
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Elmonster
Acolyte
Russia
49 Posts |
Posted - 11 Dec 2004 : 18:51:46
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Very, very interesting. When the sourcebook will be published? |
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
United Kingdom
5695 Posts |
Posted - 11 Dec 2004 : 19:15:05
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quote: Originally posted by Brother Ezra
quote: Originally posted by Alaundo
I wonder, are there any maps within?
I just read on the Realms-L mailing list that there were plans to include a map of the Realms circa DR -650. That would be a lovely addition.
Well met
Oh splendid, splendid Thank ye Brother Ezra for this information. This map would be fantastic, and something I have wished for for many many years |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 12 Dec 2004 : 04:42:09
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quote: Originally posted by Elmonster
Very, very interesting. When the sourcebook will be published?
February if I recall correctly. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 12 Dec 2004 : 08:32:10
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Ed Bonny has just releaed ssome info about one of the LEOF PrCs
"Glorious Servitor... an ancient prestige class dating back to the arrival of the Mulhorandi gods on Faerun."
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 12 Dec 2004 : 14:04:48
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quote: Originally posted by Dargoth
Ed Bonny has just releaed ssome info about one of the LEOF PrCs
"Glorious Servitor... an ancient prestige class dating back to the arrival of the Mulhorandi gods on Faerun."
That sounds like it might be interesting, from a lore point of view... |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 14 Dec 2004 : 00:25:26
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Rich has just confirmed that the LEOF map will be a 2 page spread (ie like the one in Underdark) |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 14 Dec 2004 : 04:03:29
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quote: Originally posted by Dargoth
Rich has just confirmed that the LEOF map will be a 2 page spread (ie like the one in Underdark)
Not my fave type, I much prefer poster/pull out. However, I'll take the above over no map whatsoever.
Gracias Dargoth for passing along the word. |
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