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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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 Posted - 22 Nov 2004 : 20:52:08
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Yes, I bought the deluxe leather-bound Player's Handbook... WHOA!!! It's been a while since I felt THAT satisfied with a D&D product.
So, here it is: leather is "IN" for Christmas... (this now gives me a few gift ideas for what I should be buying for my wife...  )
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 25 Nov 2004 : 17:21:10
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 25 Nov 2004 : 17:28:37
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I would if I had excess funding just laying about... Unfortunately, that is not the case -- especially since I just had to go buy new clothes for a new job.
And while I'm here, I'll add a further comment: when I first saw the title of this scroll, the PHB was pretty far down on the list of things that came to mind!   |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 25 Nov 2004 : 22:14:54
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Ah! Wooly!! 
I **should** have made that bet... that you would have been the first one (perhaps even closely followed by THO) to reply to this thread! 
One can always count on your unparalleled curiosity, one that is only rivaled by your life quest to keep intelligent persons such as your esteemed self within the planet's gene pool by investigating all things related to procreation!
Hamsters are truly the lifeblood of our esteemed hobby and industry... nay! of our planet!!  |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 26 Nov 2004 : 03:19:32
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Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
Ah! Wooly!!
I **should** have made that bet... that you would have been the first one (perhaps even closely followed by THO) to reply to this thread!
I kinda half-expected this scroll to somehow be *about* our Lovely Lady Hooded One!
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Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
One can always count on your unparalleled curiosity, one that is only rivaled by your life quest to keep intelligent persons such as your esteemed self within the planet's gene pool by investigating all things related to procreation!
'Tis a solemn duty, but one I take seriously.
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Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
Hamsters are truly the lifeblood of our esteemed hobby and industry... nay! of our planet!!
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
United Kingdom
2080 Posts |
Posted - 26 Nov 2004 : 14:25:41
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I was quite looking forward to this product. However, I found it to be quite a disappointment. The page edges and cover thickness are fine, its just the actual silver printing on the cover which looks very cheap. I expected it to be more set into the leather itself and look more ancient. As it is, it looks quite basic and bland.
So thats both the PHB and the 30th anniversary dice a huge disappointment. The last product released as part of the celebration is what I hold the most hope out for (Thirty Years of Adventure). From the reviews i've read so far, it sounds pretty stunning |
Lord Rad
"What? No, I wasn't reading your module. I was just looking at the pictures"
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 03 Dec 2004 : 19:56:48
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Well, I look at it this way: this PHB will last me a LONG time... all the previous ones have cracked in the middle. This one should be more durable thanks to the leather holding it all together!  |
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
United Kingdom
2080 Posts |
Posted - 03 Dec 2004 : 20:33:21
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Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
Well, I look at it this way: this PHB will last me a LONG time... all the previous ones have cracked in the middle. This one should be more durable thanks to the leather holding it all together!
I'm sure it will, but before the cracks ever begin.... we'll be on D&D v5.5
I was really looking forward to this one, but as I said, the silver printing on the cover just didn't sell it enough for me  |
Lord Rad
"What? No, I wasn't reading your module. I was just looking at the pictures"
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 03 Dec 2004 : 20:49:30
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To be 100% honest with you Lord Rad, I only bought it because 3.5 is my last edition... all my friends from my original group are not playing anymore: I'm the last survivor from a golden high school D&D era. I now scavenge a game or two here and there, like a gypsie looking for a crowd to perform to... so, I predict that most of the gaming I'll be doing in the future will be DMed by me (so I'll be free to decide which edition we play: 3.5 in my case, as I find it quite balanced and enjoyable)
In short, this sucker has already spent enough money through AD&D, 2nd edition and 3E to even think of moving to 4th or 5th, especially considering the small amount of gaming I do these days. Come to think of it, 9 books out of 10 I've been buying since 2000 was out of gaming nostalgia or desire to read about FR rather than actual gaming need. Enough is enough. I haven't even read half the FR books I've bought so far... time to take a break off the whole thing (or at least read what I have first...)
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
United Kingdom
2080 Posts |
Posted - 04 Dec 2004 : 10:50:51
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I'm actually in the same boat, PDK. I have all AD&D 2nd ed material and all 3/3.5 material to date. I'm not big fan of crunch and a lot of what I buy is due to completeness and some strange underlying loyalty I have for D&D.
The most used products I have are obviously my FR products, which I read for the fluff alone. I feel that I have no need for any future editions of D&D as 3.5 will work perfectly well as it is and I have all the material I need to actual run with the mechanics of the game. Of course, i'll buy any future FR material, regardless of the rules edition, as it is the fluff I am interested in. |
Lord Rad
"What? No, I wasn't reading your module. I was just looking at the pictures"
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 04 Dec 2004 : 11:28:59
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Originally posted by Lord Rad
I'm actually in the same boat, PDK. I have all AD&D 2nd ed material and all 3/3.5 material to date. I'm not big fan of crunch and a lot of what I buy is due to completeness and some strange underlying loyalty I have for D&D.
The most used products I have are obviously my FR products, which I read for the fluff alone. I feel that I have no need for any future editions of D&D as 3.5 will work perfectly well as it is and I have all the material I need to actual run with the mechanics of the game. Of course, i'll buy any future FR material, regardless of the rules edition, as it is the fluff I am interested in.
And that sums it up for me, too. |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 07 Dec 2004 : 03:29:42
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hmmm... that sounds like a good policy Lord Rad: only FR from now on. However, I fear that if I buy the 4E FRCS, I'll be tempted to buy the 4E PHB, and so on and so on... falling in the same trap again.
I'll have to apply discipline to limit myself to FR stuff... and think back of my leather PHB to keep me on track!!! |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
5056 Posts |
Posted - 07 Dec 2004 : 04:01:55
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Ahem, gentlesirs, I hear my name being taken.
(However, as long as you’re taking me, ’tis never in vain.) 
PDK, the title of this thread does apply to an item of apparel I happen to own. Mine, however, is ventilated in two strategic places . . .  . . . which inspired Ed to use it for a certain priestess of Loviatar in this year’s forthcoming Spin A Yarn tale. You see, he somehow had to work in “a potion that through wild magic gives someone green nipples” (suggested by a seminar audience member at GenCon Indy this year ), and I’m afraid I, ah, “leaped” to mind.
About the luxury PHB: yes, a nice tome, but I agree with Lord Rad about the lack of embossing or gravure. I’ll have to caresXX er, handle it very gently . . .
THO
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 07 Dec 2004 : 05:18:39
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
Ahem, gentlesirs, I hear my name being taken.
(However, as long as you’re taking me, ’tis never in vain.)
PDK, the title of this thread does apply to an item of apparel I happen to own. Mine, however, is ventilated in two strategic places . . . . . . which inspired Ed to use it for a certain priestess of Loviatar in this year’s forthcoming Spin A Yarn tale. You see, he somehow had to work in “a potion that through wild magic gives someone green nipples” (suggested by a seminar audience member at GenCon Indy this year ), and I’m afraid I, ah, “leaped” to mind.
About the luxury PHB: yes, a nice tome, but I agree with Lord Rad about the lack of embossing or gravure. I’ll have to caresXX er, handle it very gently . . .
THO
Ah, so I was right to think of you when I saw this thread... And why am I not surprised that you have such a piece of attire? It makes me wonder what other interesting clothing you might have... |
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Xysma
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 09 Dec 2004 : 08:43:17
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| Indeed: as a mechanical engineer, I can attest that ventilation is required when leather is involved. Always. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 09 Dec 2004 : 08:50:54
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I almost had a stroke today when I saw how much the Leather bound PHB was
120 bucks!!!!!
That is one WOTC book that I can happily do without, now if they did a Leather bound FRC for the FRs 20th birthday........... |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 09 Dec 2004 : 11:18:56
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Originally posted by Dargoth
I almost had a stroke today when I saw how much the Leather bound PHB was
120 bucks!!!!!
That is one WOTC book that I can happily do without, now if they did a Leather bound FRC for the FRs 20th birthday...........
Yeah, ditto that! I want it, but not that badly. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 09 Dec 2004 : 15:20:02
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Originally posted by Dargoth
I almost had a stroke today when I saw how much the Leather bound PHB was
This time of year, someone would have simply grabbed your credit card out of your hand/pocket and people would have kept stepping over your body.
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120 bucks!!!!!
I've spent that much before on a single gaming item. But, only once.
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That is one WOTC book that I can happily do without, now if they did a Leather bound FRC for the FRs 20th birthday...........
Possibly, I'd want to know more details. If it's simply leather bound, with nothing new, forget it. |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Garen Thal
Master of Realmslore
USA
1105 Posts |
Posted - 09 Dec 2004 : 20:49:04
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Here in the States, I was able to pick up the book for $47.25 (that's AUD$62.52, and CDN$57.65, and £24.51) through Amazon.com. I'm sure that customs duties are being charged up the wazoo all over the place (Amazon.ca lists the price as CDN$74.20, Amazon.co.uk as £35.32).
There are a couple of problems I'm finding with the book: pages stick together because of the process used to add the silver to the edges; the layout cut off a tiny bit of the border art; and the sealing of the book in plastic has led to the seemingly permanent "hole" for the red cloth bookmark.
Still, the combination of a leather cover, cloth bookmark, shiny newness, and inclusion of errata makes me glad I picked the book up. I'm just not sure I'd have paid more than I did. |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 10 Dec 2004 : 00:47:40
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The price was indeed steep. I only picked it up to commemorate my decision to stick with 3.5 for the rest of my days.  |
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LaughingWizard
Acolyte
USA
29 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jan 2005 : 18:10:24
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Well Met. The title of this thread DID catch my eye...But seriously, I'm in the same boat as many of you. I began playing AD&D when "White Plume Mountain" was still a fresh memory in most gamers' minds and Gary still owned TSR. (Whatever happened to him anyway?) Since our gang has moved apart and hold real jobs now, we only get one or two sessions in a year.
I bought all the 2ndE books and read them cover to cover, just after our campaign began in the 1stE realms. (Heck, I bought the old gray box new!) After 2ndE, we split up, hence I never got into 3e. To get to my point, I like the way 2ndE runs and cleaned up some of the snafus in 1E. Is it worth my time and money to buy and convert to 3e or is it 3.5? Or should I play along in happy anachronistic fashion? By the by, are 3e materials easily converted back to 2e? Until Next, Wiz in the Northlands |
A woman, or a man, may come to hold many treasures in life. Gold, gems, a good name, lovers, good friends, influence, high rank--all of these are of value. All of these most covet. But of them all the most valuable, I tell ye, are friends good and true. Have these, and ye will scarce notice the lack if ye never win aught else."
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LaughingWizard
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 11 Jan 2005 : 18:14:51
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Well Met Again!
One thing I should add. My group happily merged the best of 1 and 2e, since some things we like weren't in 2e, such as the Cavalier class, and such as the lack of the old Bard class (and the neat instruments!) I handle game balance issues created by these things as they come up on a case by case basis. Can this sort of thing be done in 3e? Thanks. Wiz. |
A woman, or a man, may come to hold many treasures in life. Gold, gems, a good name, lovers, good friends, influence, high rank--all of these are of value. All of these most covet. But of them all the most valuable, I tell ye, are friends good and true. Have these, and ye will scarce notice the lack if ye never win aught else."
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 11 Jan 2005 : 18:32:51
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Originally posted by LaughingWizard
To get to my point, I like the way 2ndE runs and cleaned up some of the snafus in 1E. Is it worth my time and money to buy and convert to 3e or is it 3.5? Or should I play along in happy anachronistic fashion? By the by, are 3e materials easily converted back to 2e? Until Next, Wiz in the Northlands
Well, time and money are hard to judge, each person value that differently. 3.5 (do not bother with 3.0) does offer improvements over 2nd, Infravision is gone (which resulted in endless debates about how it should work) replaced with darkvision (better defined), MR is gone (which occasionally resulted in arguements) replaced with Spell Resistance (SR) and is better defined.
Dual-classing no longer exists at all, multiclass is handled differently and all races can multi-class.
There is one thing available for thrid Edition that was not for 2nd, some of the gaming information is open source (or at least near to that) by the release of the SRD (System Reference Document)which is free and widely accessible on the web. It does not offer all the gaming system but provides a lot of information as to the system. As an experienced player you should have little problem understanding and spoting changes.
As to if 3.x items can be converted back to 2nd I would say in most cases yes it should not be that hard to do.
The change to 3rd was more massive then the change to 2nd IMO. Each version further certainly can be found to have some flaws in it. |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jan 2005 : 05:19:14
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Actually, game rules cannot be protected by copyright law. If it has roleplay information (no matter how minor), it is copyrighted, but the rules themselves aren't.
What WotC did, though, was instead of frowning on the use of rules they developed, they actively encouraged it. Before, you could go buy a rulebook, copy out rules and nothing else, and not get in trouble (though you couldn't put in anything else, especially the brand logo, so you wouldn't make much money as a "cheap knockoff). Now, the rules are given away from the offical website itself, and the Open Gaming License further defines what is permited.
I suggest you go look them over yourself and decide if you want to upgrade. I think you should, but it's up to you. If you have questions about changes, feel free to ask. |
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LaughingWizard
Acolyte
USA
29 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jan 2005 : 15:25:23
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Thanks for the info folks. I assume the SRD you refered to is on the WotC site, so I'll check it out. I haven't been there in a couple of months. The changes you mentioned seem...interesting. (Hey, do you just cut and past to get a quote into a new reply? Such as when you want to refer back to something someone else said?) Thanks again. Wiz.
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A woman, or a man, may come to hold many treasures in life. Gold, gems, a good name, lovers, good friends, influence, high rank--all of these are of value. All of these most covet. But of them all the most valuable, I tell ye, are friends good and true. Have these, and ye will scarce notice the lack if ye never win aught else."
The adventuress Sharanralee, Ballads and Lore of One Dusty Road, Year of the Wandering Maiden
From Spellfire by Ed Greenwood |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 12 Jan 2005 : 16:53:09
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Originally posted by LaughingWizard
Thanks for the info folks. I assume the SRD you refered to is on the WotC site, so I'll check it out. I haven't been there in a couple of months. The changes you mentioned seem...interesting. (Hey, do you just cut and past to get a quote into a new reply? Such as when you want to refer back to something someone else said?) Thanks again. Wiz.
Well yes the SRD is on WotC site, though available in zip form (you need to download it), however because it is open gaming there are a lot of html versions. You might try this site: http://www.systemreferencedocuments.org/35/theraven_stephenh/index.html
which appears to be comperhenive enough to study.
As for quoting, there is a button that you can select to quote text of a post. As you become more uused to the feature you can become more verisitile in how to quote others.
Oh to your question about importing the 1st Edition bard, that would tend to be hard to build in 3rd, however a stardard class in 3rd includes bards.
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Arion Elenim
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 12 Jan 2005 : 22:49:00
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LOL...
Now THAT is how you title a tome!
Methinks all of my threads from now on will be entitled "Voluptuous Elven Priestesses of Sune and the Bards Who Love Them!". Maybe folk will respond more often... |
My latest Realms-based short story, about a bard, a paladin of Lathander and the letter of the law, Debts Repaid. It takes place before the "shattering" and gives the bard Arion a last gasp before he plunges into the present.http://candlekeep.com/campaign/logs/log-debts.htm |
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Lysander
Learned Scribe
USA
183 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2005 : 02:41:37
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Lord Rad
I'm actually in the same boat, PDK. I have all AD&D 2nd ed material and all 3/3.5 material to date. I'm not big fan of crunch and a lot of what I buy is due to completeness and some strange underlying loyalty I have for D&D.
The most used products I have are obviously my FR products, which I read for the fluff alone. I feel that I have no need for any future editions of D&D as 3.5 will work perfectly well as it is and I have all the material I need to actual run with the mechanics of the game. Of course, i'll buy any future FR material, regardless of the rules edition, as it is the fluff I am interested in.
And that sums it up for me, too.
So Mote it be!
PDK, I too suffer from lack of a steady gaming group since the one I was in broke up years ago. (Which is why I'm jumping at the PbEMs as I am ) A times I think it's too bad that the people I would most like to sit around a gaming table with are spread around the globe. As for the book, bought it from Borders with the 25% off customer loyalty coupon. That helped ease my shock at $75 for a book. I bought the Interactive FR Map CD for only slightly more than that!
LaughingWizard -
You may want to pick up the second Unearthed Arcana (the 3.5 version one) - it has many alternate rules that can be used to approximate 2E systems (though, not fully 2E:S&P, but gestalt classes are rapidly weakening my reluctance to move to 3.5E. (Worlds may have heard that first, but... nice.)
THO -
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
USA
1283 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2005 : 03:30:54
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I'm trying to decide if I want to drop this $25 coupon I got from Amazon.com on it or not.
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Sexy tight black leather bodice...
