I would if I had excess funding just laying about... Unfortunately, that is not the case -- especially since I just had to go buy new clothes for a new job.
And while I'm here, I'll add a further comment: when I first saw the title of this scroll, the PHB was pretty far down on the list of things that came to mind!
I **should** have made that bet... that you would have been the first one (perhaps even closely followed by THO) to reply to this thread!
One can always count on your unparalleled curiosity, one that is only rivaled by your life quest to keep intelligent persons such as your esteemed self within the planet's gene pool by investigating all things related to procreation!
Hamsters are truly the lifeblood of our esteemed hobby and industry... nay! of our planet!!
I **should** have made that bet... that you would have been the first one (perhaps even closely followed by THO) to reply to this thread!
I kinda half-expected this scroll to somehow be *about* our Lovely Lady Hooded One!
quote:Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
One can always count on your unparalleled curiosity, one that is only rivaled by your life quest to keep intelligent persons such as your esteemed self within the planet's gene pool by investigating all things related to procreation!
'Tis a solemn duty, but one I take seriously.
quote:Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
Hamsters are truly the lifeblood of our esteemed hobby and industry... nay! of our planet!!
I was quite looking forward to this product. However, I found it to be quite a disappointment. The page edges and cover thickness are fine, its just the actual silver printing on the cover which looks very cheap. I expected it to be more set into the leather itself and look more ancient. As it is, it looks quite basic and bland.
So thats both the PHB and the 30th anniversary dice a huge disappointment. The last product released as part of the celebration is what I hold the most hope out for (Thirty Years of Adventure). From the reviews i've read so far, it sounds pretty stunning
Lord Rad
"What? No, I wasn't reading your module. I was just looking at the pictures"
Well, I look at it this way: this PHB will last me a LONG time... all the previous ones have cracked in the middle. This one should be more durable thanks to the leather holding it all together!
Well, I look at it this way: this PHB will last me a LONG time... all the previous ones have cracked in the middle. This one should be more durable thanks to the leather holding it all together!
I'm sure it will, but before the cracks ever begin.... we'll be on D&D v5.5
I was really looking forward to this one, but as I said, the silver printing on the cover just didn't sell it enough for me
Lord Rad
"What? No, I wasn't reading your module. I was just looking at the pictures"
To be 100% honest with you Lord Rad, I only bought it because 3.5 is my last edition... all my friends from my original group are not playing anymore: I'm the last survivor from a golden high school D&D era. I now scavenge a game or two here and there, like a gypsie looking for a crowd to perform to... so, I predict that most of the gaming I'll be doing in the future will be DMed by me (so I'll be free to decide which edition we play: 3.5 in my case, as I find it quite balanced and enjoyable)
In short, this sucker has already spent enough money through AD&D, 2nd edition and 3E to even think of moving to 4th or 5th, especially considering the small amount of gaming I do these days. Come to think of it, 9 books out of 10 I've been buying since 2000 was out of gaming nostalgia or desire to read about FR rather than actual gaming need. Enough is enough. I haven't even read half the FR books I've bought so far... time to take a break off the whole thing (or at least read what I have first...)
I'm actually in the same boat, PDK. I have all AD&D 2nd ed material and all 3/3.5 material to date. I'm not big fan of crunch and a lot of what I buy is due to completeness and some strange underlying loyalty I have for D&D.
The most used products I have are obviously my FR products, which I read for the fluff alone. I feel that I have no need for any future editions of D&D as 3.5 will work perfectly well as it is and I have all the material I need to actual run with the mechanics of the game. Of course, i'll buy any future FR material, regardless of the rules edition, as it is the fluff I am interested in.
Lord Rad
"What? No, I wasn't reading your module. I was just looking at the pictures"
I'm actually in the same boat, PDK. I have all AD&D 2nd ed material and all 3/3.5 material to date. I'm not big fan of crunch and a lot of what I buy is due to completeness and some strange underlying loyalty I have for D&D.
The most used products I have are obviously my FR products, which I read for the fluff alone. I feel that I have no need for any future editions of D&D as 3.5 will work perfectly well as it is and I have all the material I need to actual run with the mechanics of the game. Of course, i'll buy any future FR material, regardless of the rules edition, as it is the fluff I am interested in.
hmmm... that sounds like a good policy Lord Rad: only FR from now on. However, I fear that if I buy the 4E FRCS, I'll be tempted to buy the 4E PHB, and so on and so on... falling in the same trap again.
I'll have to apply discipline to limit myself to FR stuff... and think back of my leather PHB to keep me on track!!!
Ahem, gentlesirs, I hear my name being taken. (However, as long as you’re taking me, ’tis never in vain.) PDK, the title of this thread does apply to an item of apparel I happen to own. Mine, however, is ventilated in two strategic places . . . . . . which inspired Ed to use it for a certain priestess of Loviatar in this year’s forthcoming Spin A Yarn tale. You see, he somehow had to work in “a potion that through wild magic gives someone green nipples” (suggested by a seminar audience member at GenCon Indy this year ), and I’m afraid I, ah, “leaped” to mind. About the luxury PHB: yes, a nice tome, but I agree with Lord Rad about the lack of embossing or gravure. I’ll have to caresXX er, handle it very gently . . . THO
Ahem, gentlesirs, I hear my name being taken. (However, as long as you’re taking me, ’tis never in vain.) PDK, the title of this thread does apply to an item of apparel I happen to own. Mine, however, is ventilated in two strategic places . . . . . . which inspired Ed to use it for a certain priestess of Loviatar in this year’s forthcoming Spin A Yarn tale. You see, he somehow had to work in “a potion that through wild magic gives someone green nipples” (suggested by a seminar audience member at GenCon Indy this year ), and I’m afraid I, ah, “leaped” to mind. About the luxury PHB: yes, a nice tome, but I agree with Lord Rad about the lack of embossing or gravure. I’ll have to caresXX er, handle it very gently . . . THO
Ah, so I was right to think of you when I saw this thread... And why am I not surprised that you have such a piece of attire? It makes me wonder what other interesting clothing you might have...
I bought the leather-bound version, and I love it. I probably won't use it, but I just had to buy it. I mean come on, what's isn't better with a little black leather?
War to slay, not to fight long and glorious. Aermhar of the Tangletrees Year of the Hooded Falcon
It contains all the erratas and changes brought to the PHB since the first printing of 3.5: it is the most "current" PHB so far (if you have the first 3.5 printing, you need to download the erratas from the WotC website)
Here in the States, I was able to pick up the book for $47.25 (that's AUD$62.52, and CDN$57.65, and £24.51) through Amazon.com. I'm sure that customs duties are being charged up the wazoo all over the place (Amazon.ca lists the price as CDN$74.20, Amazon.co.uk as £35.32).
There are a couple of problems I'm finding with the book: pages stick together because of the process used to add the silver to the edges; the layout cut off a tiny bit of the border art; and the sealing of the book in plastic has led to the seemingly permanent "hole" for the red cloth bookmark.
Still, the combination of a leather cover, cloth bookmark, shiny newness, and inclusion of errata makes me glad I picked the book up. I'm just not sure I'd have paid more than I did.
Well Met. The title of this thread DID catch my eye...But seriously, I'm in the same boat as many of you. I began playing AD&D when "White Plume Mountain" was still a fresh memory in most gamers' minds and Gary still owned TSR. (Whatever happened to him anyway?) Since our gang has moved apart and hold real jobs now, we only get one or two sessions in a year.
I bought all the 2ndE books and read them cover to cover, just after our campaign began in the 1stE realms. (Heck, I bought the old gray box new!) After 2ndE, we split up, hence I never got into 3e. To get to my point, I like the way 2ndE runs and cleaned up some of the snafus in 1E. Is it worth my time and money to buy and convert to 3e or is it 3.5? Or should I play along in happy anachronistic fashion? By the by, are 3e materials easily converted back to 2e? Until Next, Wiz in the Northlands
A woman, or a man, may come to hold many treasures in life. Gold, gems, a good name, lovers, good friends, influence, high rank--all of these are of value. All of these most covet. But of them all the most valuable, I tell ye, are friends good and true. Have these, and ye will scarce notice the lack if ye never win aught else."
The adventuress Sharanralee, Ballads and Lore of One Dusty Road, Year of the Wandering Maiden From Spellfire by Ed Greenwood
One thing I should add. My group happily merged the best of 1 and 2e, since some things we like weren't in 2e, such as the Cavalier class, and such as the lack of the old Bard class (and the neat instruments!) I handle game balance issues created by these things as they come up on a case by case basis. Can this sort of thing be done in 3e? Thanks. Wiz.
A woman, or a man, may come to hold many treasures in life. Gold, gems, a good name, lovers, good friends, influence, high rank--all of these are of value. All of these most covet. But of them all the most valuable, I tell ye, are friends good and true. Have these, and ye will scarce notice the lack if ye never win aught else."
The adventuress Sharanralee, Ballads and Lore of One Dusty Road, Year of the Wandering Maiden From Spellfire by Ed Greenwood
Edited by - LaughingWizard on 11 Jan 2005 18:17:19
To get to my point, I like the way 2ndE runs and cleaned up some of the snafus in 1E. Is it worth my time and money to buy and convert to 3e or is it 3.5? Or should I play along in happy anachronistic fashion? By the by, are 3e materials easily converted back to 2e? Until Next, Wiz in the Northlands
Well, time and money are hard to judge, each person value that differently. 3.5 (do not bother with 3.0) does offer improvements over 2nd, Infravision is gone (which resulted in endless debates about how it should work) replaced with darkvision (better defined), MR is gone (which occasionally resulted in arguements) replaced with Spell Resistance (SR) and is better defined. Dual-classing no longer exists at all, multiclass is handled differently and all races can multi-class. There is one thing available for thrid Edition that was not for 2nd, some of the gaming information is open source (or at least near to that) by the release of the SRD (System Reference Document)which is free and widely accessible on the web. It does not offer all the gaming system but provides a lot of information as to the system. As an experienced player you should have little problem understanding and spoting changes.
As to if 3.x items can be converted back to 2nd I would say in most cases yes it should not be that hard to do.
The change to 3rd was more massive then the change to 2nd IMO. Each version further certainly can be found to have some flaws in it.
Actually, game rules cannot be protected by copyright law. If it has roleplay information (no matter how minor), it is copyrighted, but the rules themselves aren't.
What WotC did, though, was instead of frowning on the use of rules they developed, they actively encouraged it. Before, you could go buy a rulebook, copy out rules and nothing else, and not get in trouble (though you couldn't put in anything else, especially the brand logo, so you wouldn't make much money as a "cheap knockoff). Now, the rules are given away from the offical website itself, and the Open Gaming License further defines what is permited.
I suggest you go look them over yourself and decide if you want to upgrade. I think you should, but it's up to you. If you have questions about changes, feel free to ask.
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Thanks for the info folks. I assume the SRD you refered to is on the WotC site, so I'll check it out. I haven't been there in a couple of months. The changes you mentioned seem...interesting. (Hey, do you just cut and past to get a quote into a new reply? Such as when you want to refer back to something someone else said?) Thanks again. Wiz.
A woman, or a man, may come to hold many treasures in life. Gold, gems, a good name, lovers, good friends, influence, high rank--all of these are of value. All of these most covet. But of them all the most valuable, I tell ye, are friends good and true. Have these, and ye will scarce notice the lack if ye never win aught else."
The adventuress Sharanralee, Ballads and Lore of One Dusty Road, Year of the Wandering Maiden From Spellfire by Ed Greenwood
Thanks for the info folks. I assume the SRD you refered to is on the WotC site, so I'll check it out. I haven't been there in a couple of months. The changes you mentioned seem...interesting. (Hey, do you just cut and past to get a quote into a new reply? Such as when you want to refer back to something someone else said?) Thanks again. Wiz.
Well yes the SRD is on WotC site, though available in zip form (you need to download it), however because it is open gaming there are a lot of html versions. You might try this site: http://www.systemreferencedocuments.org/35/theraven_stephenh/index.html which appears to be comperhenive enough to study.
As for quoting, there is a button that you can select to quote text of a post. As you become more uused to the feature you can become more verisitile in how to quote others.
Oh to your question about importing the 1st Edition bard, that would tend to be hard to build in 3rd, however a stardard class in 3rd includes bards.
Methinks all of my threads from now on will be entitled "Voluptuous Elven Priestesses of Sune and the Bards Who Love Them!". Maybe folk will respond more often...
My latest Realms-based short story, about a bard, a paladin of Lathander and the letter of the law, Debts Repaid. It takes place before the "shattering" and gives the bard Arion a last gasp before he plunges into the present.http://candlekeep.com/campaign/logs/log-debts.htm
I'm actually in the same boat, PDK. I have all AD&D 2nd ed material and all 3/3.5 material to date. I'm not big fan of crunch and a lot of what I buy is due to completeness and some strange underlying loyalty I have for D&D.
The most used products I have are obviously my FR products, which I read for the fluff alone. I feel that I have no need for any future editions of D&D as 3.5 will work perfectly well as it is and I have all the material I need to actual run with the mechanics of the game. Of course, i'll buy any future FR material, regardless of the rules edition, as it is the fluff I am interested in.
And that sums it up for me, too.
So Mote it be!
PDK, I too suffer from lack of a steady gaming group since the one I was in broke up years ago. (Which is why I'm jumping at the PbEMs as I am ) A times I think it's too bad that the people I would most like to sit around a gaming table with are spread around the globe. As for the book, bought it from Borders with the 25% off customer loyalty coupon. That helped ease my shock at $75 for a book. I bought the Interactive FR Map CD for only slightly more than that!
LaughingWizard - You may want to pick up the second Unearthed Arcana (the 3.5 version one) - it has many alternate rules that can be used to approximate 2E systems (though, not fully 2E:S&P, but gestalt classes are rapidly weakening my reluctance to move to 3.5E. (Worlds may have heard that first, but... nice.)
Sexy tight black leather bodice...
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. . . which inspired Ed to use it for a certain priestess of Loviatar in this year’s forthcoming Spin A Yarn tale. You see, he somehow had to work in “a potion that through wild magic gives someone green nipples” (suggested by a seminar audience member at GenCon Indy this year 
