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Sylvanas_Windrunner
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 Posted - 12 Dec 2004 : 15:44:00
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Actually, spelljamming vessels have been known to make port at both Palanthas and Kristophan... And the tinker gnomes are one of the more well-known spelljamming races.
Not anymore. According to the Brass, Spelljamming is discontinued. of course a DM can allow it, but you have to work with ancient rules and stuff.
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Originally posted by Cam Banks
Most settings have now been divorced from the Great Wheel cosmology used extensively in 2nd edition and chiefly by Planescape. The Realms have completely abandoned it, Eberron certainly doesn't use it, and at this stage it's only the default in Greyhawk, because it's where the Great Wheel was first used (in 1st edition AD&D).
Any world with its own established cosmology should no longer be assumed to have a connection to Sigil, Baator, etc etc unless that is specifically desired by a DM and his players. It's for this reason that discussion about Krynn's cosmology will typically not refer to Planescape materials or elements, nor those of other worlds.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 12 Dec 2004 : 16:22:53
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Originally posted by Sylvanas_Windrunner
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Actually, spelljamming vessels have been known to make port at both Palanthas and Kristophan... And the tinker gnomes are one of the more well-known spelljamming races.
Not anymore. According to the Brass, Spelljamming is discontinued. of course a DM can allow it, but you have to work with ancient rules and stuff.
Actually, yes, spelljamming is still around. It's just that the product line has been long discontinued, and there's no plans to revive it.
There was a 3E rendering of the rules in an issue of Dungeon, even though they mangled them somewhat...
And friend Kuje31 recently asked Rich Baker, over on those other forums, about spelljamming in the Realms. Here's what Kuje passed on to me:
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I asked, "Hiya Rich,
Maybe you can help answer me a question. One pages 230 and 231 in the FRCS it has references to Spelljamming. Do the Spelljamming ships still exist and do they still sail the skies of FR's Prime Material Plane. Yes I know one of the passages on page 230 mentions elven Spelljamming ships.
And if Spelljammers still come to Toril and the rest of the planets within FR's Prime then does the 2e material still stand, since 3e really hasn't contradicted the old material? For instance, the info in Evermeet sourcebook and novel about Spelljammers. Or the information from the Netheril box set. Or about Kara-Tur and thier fleet. And especially the information from the Realmspace sourcebook from the Spelljammer line of products."
He answered, "Short answer: Yep, spelljamming still exists. We deliberately couched some info in the FRCS to "tip the hat" toward the concept (for example, the discussion on the "Sea of Night"). How much of the old Spelljammer material you wish to include in your game is up to you, but we're not going to specifically destroy/retcon out of existence planets in Realmspace."
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Alparon
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Posted - 21 Dec 2004 : 17:04:17
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it may be absurd to say
but i'll say it anyway:
it's just.... well i have an impression that even a garbage man in the street could be a lvl7 mage or so....
like in BG
everyone has some levels, it seems like there are no low level chars.
i think the best place to play in is Planescape!!!!!!!!!!!
i loved that place of Sigil!(plus they have better spells) |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 22 Dec 2004 : 06:40:08
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Originally posted by Alparon
i think the best place to play in is Planescape!!!!!!!!!!!
i loved that place of Sigil!(plus they have better spells)
Well then, head on over to the Worlds of D&D ( http://worldsofdnd.com/forum/ ) forums and starting chatting away. We're always looking for new members to discuss planar matters.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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36803 Posts |
Posted - 22 Dec 2004 : 11:20:12
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Alparon
i think the best place to play in is Planescape!!!!!!!!!!!
i loved that place of Sigil!(plus they have better spells)
Well then, head on over to the Worlds of D&D ( http://worldsofdnd.com/forum/ ) forums and starting chatting away. We're always looking for new members to discuss planar matters.
And by "we" he means himself. He's a Planescape junkie. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 Dec 2004 : 16:37:02
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
And by "we" he means himself. He's a Planescape junkie.
Hey now, watch it there hamster. I include myself in that WE since I'm a multiverse junkie, which includes Planescape. Planescape is my second fav setting behind FR. Ravenloft, Dlance, and Spelljammer are tied for 3rd. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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36803 Posts |
Posted - 22 Dec 2004 : 23:08:45
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Originally posted by kuje31
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
And by "we" he means himself. He's a Planescape junkie.
Hey now, watch it there hamster. I include myself in that WE since I'm a multiverse junkie, which includes Planescape. Planescape is my second fav setting behind FR. Ravenloft, Dlance, and Spelljammer are tied for 3rd.
Oh, no, don't tell me you consider Dragginglance to be tied with Spelljammer! That just ain't right! |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 23 Dec 2004 : 07:20:01
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by kuje31
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
And by "we" he means himself. He's a Planescape junkie.
Hey now, watch it there hamster. I include myself in that WE since I'm a multiverse junkie, which includes Planescape. Planescape is my second fav setting behind FR. Ravenloft, Dlance, and Spelljammer are tied for 3rd.
Oh, no, don't tell me you consider Dragginglance to be tied with Spelljammer! That just ain't right!
I'd like to express my thoughts on that, but since we're now so far off-topic as to be on another page completely... I'll simply try to redirect this scroll back to its original topic before Alaundo sees fit to get a little exercise with his ever-trusty staff...
And thus:- In terms of DMs being strict with the Realms, has anyone ever killed off some, or even all, of the major NPCs of Faerun? What experiences lead you to this? How did the politics and situations in each of these areas that are heavily attached to the various NPCs develop afterward?
Discuss, discuss, and discuss...
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 23 Dec 2004 : 07:41:00
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| Well, how about you? Didn't you cause a mass extinction in Chult, removing those pesky dinosaurs? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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31772 Posts |
Posted - 23 Dec 2004 : 08:02:23
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Originally posted by Bookwyrm
Well, how about you? Didn't you cause a mass extinction in Chult, removing those pesky dinosaurs?
Well, yes I did. But that event didn't really involve any FR NPCs... at least, not to any great extent. And those that were involved, were NPCs of my own creation developed specifically for that scenario.
I'm mainly interested in the "canon" NPCs.
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Alparon
Seeker
Turkey
67 Posts |
Posted - 23 Dec 2004 : 20:07:40
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hey hey i didn't mean to shake up the very foundations of the realms
sorry if i've been misunderstood
i don't have the knowledge to discuss other realms(if we leave out dragonlance)
truly i only know about Planescape from the game Torment |
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the psychotic seaotter
Seeker
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Posted - 24 Dec 2004 : 17:58:23
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I can't say I have killed off any major NPC's out side of a possible assassination of Fzoul (still don't know if I will pull it off yet).
I have mad e few chnges to the gods and some minor changes to history to remove some of my disagreements with the 'canon'.
Most natably was me changing Auril completely. I folded Ultiu's portfolio into hers and promoted her to intermediate diety, I also removed the whole "selfish sadistic killer" nonsense and made her a bit more neutral than anything. I also set her realm on faerun instead of another plane. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 24 Dec 2004 : 19:12:30
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Originally posted by the psychotic seaotter
Most natably was me changing Auril completely. I folded Ultiu's portfolio into hers and promoted her to intermediate diety, I also removed the whole "selfish sadistic killer" nonsense and made her a bit more neutral than anything. I also set her realm on faerun instead of another plane.
The fact that you do not agree with it is not enough to qualify something as nonsense. |
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the psychotic seaotter
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Posted - 24 Dec 2004 : 20:28:19
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 24 Dec 2004 : 21:34:53
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Kentinal
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Posted - 24 Dec 2004 : 23:13:51
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Simple statements, often can get read for a meaning other then what was meaning post was typed for.
I do see some possible candidates for flame depending on what definition is used.
I do note that Candlekeep's forum FAQ does not have a definition of what a flame is, or even appear to refer to etiquette. Thus making it easier for one user to consider a certain post a flame, while other users will not. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 25 Dec 2004 : 01:20:50
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Originally posted by Kentinal
Simple statements, often can get read for a meaning other then what was meaning post was typed for.
I do see some possible candidates for flame depending on what definition is used.
I do note that Candlekeep's forum FAQ does not have a definition of what a flame is, or even appear to refer to etiquette. Thus making it easier for one user to consider a certain post a flame, while other users will not.
With all this recent discussion and focus on the nature of a "flame" remark... I'm sure the wise Alaundo will think of something to add to the FAQ  .
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 25 Dec 2004 : 04:01:43
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Originally posted by Kentinal
Simple statements, often can get read for a meaning other then what was meaning post was typed for.
An excellent point to bring up.
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I do see some possible candidates for flame depending on what definition is used.
When in doubt, if possible, PM and Email can be used to take something to private where there might be less chance of someone's feelings being hurt.
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I do note that Candlekeep's forum FAQ does not have a definition of what a flame is, or even appear to refer to etiquette. Thus making it easier for one user to consider a certain post a flame, while other users will not.
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 25 Dec 2004 : 04:19:47
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Well, I have noticed that a lot of realms fans are really strict with the realms. Meaning that they will not allow any outside influences, or change anything. It is strange because I have found that Dragonlance fans are generally more tolerant of weird stuff in Krynn. Now I am not insulting anybody, but does anybody know why a lot of relams fans do not seem to like to deviate from the core setting rules?
While have not done much Dragonlance from what I understand of the world it was less defined then FR is, thus greater room for derivation. I certainly do know of FR games that have deviated much from the world that was. I know of some that claim to be the son of Try for example. Of course a dissussion about a world certainly will focus about the core material and what most believe is reasonable extensions that is posible. DL IIRC is more wide open as to unanswered questions then FR is. Both of course have unanswered questions (some of which designers can not answer, because they did not consider them). |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 25 Dec 2004 : 07:20:51
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Originally posted by Kentinal
While have not done much Dragonlance from what I understand of the world it was less defined then FR is, thus greater room for derivation.
Hmmm... I'm not sure where you heard that, but as a DL devotee, I can tell you that the world of Krynn is as defined as the world of Toril. Moreso in some areas... but then, given the differences in the way they both illustrate the fantasy element, the world of Krynn is rather more epic-saga-oriented.
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Kentinal
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Posted - 25 Dec 2004 : 07:38:43
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Kentinal
While have not done much Dragonlance from what I understand of the world it was less defined then FR is, thus greater room for derivation.
Hmmm... I'm not sure where you heard that, but as a DL devotee, I can tell you that the world of Krynn is as defined as the world of Toril. Moreso in some areas... but then, given the differences in the way they both illustrate the fantasy element, the world of Krynn is rather more epic-saga-oriented.
Saga I believe aided the impression, perhaps it was the different versions that were presented as well. The modules that I do have indicated play was required to a set plan (no going off the map if one wanted to advance). |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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Posted - 25 Dec 2004 : 08:49:04
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Gellion
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 27 Dec 2004 : 07:03:40
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BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Anyways, I'm back and I just wanted to say that I am surprised my thread is still around. Hehe, my players have been in the year 1375 DR for quite a while now due to some time travelling antics. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Dec 2004 : 07:23:55
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Originally posted by Gellion
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Anyways, I'm back and I just wanted to say that I am surprised my thread is still around. Hehe, my players have been in the year 1375 DR for quite a while now due to some time travelling antics.
So, how is the Year of Risen ElfKin in your campaign? |
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Gellion
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 27 Dec 2004 : 07:26:29
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by Gellion
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Anyways, I'm back and I just wanted to say that I am surprised my thread is still around. Hehe, my players have been in the year 1375 DR for quite a while now due to some time travelling antics.
So, how is the Year of Risen ElfKin in your campaign?
Dunno, I am not using it. |
"Paladine, you see the evil that surrounds me! You have been witness to the calamities that have been the scourge of Krynn... You must see now that this doctrine of balance will not work! I can sweep evil from this land. Destroy the ogre races. Bring the wayward humans into line! Find new homelands far away for the dwarves and the kender and the gnomes, those races not of your creation... I demand that you give me, too, the power to drive away the shadows of evil that darken the land!"- THE REIGN OF ISTAR, Tales IV |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 27 Dec 2004 : 13:46:55
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Originally posted by Gellion
Hehe, my players have been in the year 1375 DR for quite a while now due to some time travelling antics.
Well then, let us here about the exploits of these players...
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Gellion
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Posted - 27 Dec 2004 : 19:32:07
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Gellion
Hehe, my players have been in the year 1375 DR for quite a while now due to some time travelling antics.
Well then, let us here about the exploits of these players...
Well, they have killed an evil Elven Cleric of Corellon(He was not REALLY of Corellon) who was killing Elves in a city in the High Forest, and the city was destroyed in the process. Then they went to Lantan to get the Dwarve's reward for inevnting something cool. They also had to save the mayor of a town from some crazy clockworks who wanted to take over. They then went to the Spine of The World where they killed a Young White Dragon and they are having its parts sent to Lantan to make some really good armor. The Barbarian died the game after they killed the Dragon due to the Mage miscalculating the distance for his fireball spell. So his player is now a fighter. |
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Fend Of Greathold
Acolyte
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Posted - 04 Jan 2005 : 04:01:32
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I was just wondering... doesnt the FR setting encourage logical thought on them that are not fully explained?
for instance - Araumycos - the Great fungus
It has little or Scarce at best information on what it is like.
And ive found in the short time i have been playing FR, ive been encouraged to think on "how i would represent" Araumycos and its grey puffy cavernous growths.
PS - Steam punk is bad
PPS - Giving up Freindships over a DM / Player Disagrement = foolish. obviously the player is at conflict with restriction or perception. and the dm is not registering because he isnt on the players side... Then again, forgive me if im completely off topic (i didnt read the other 5 pages) |
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 04 Jan 2005 : 04:32:01
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Perhaps a re-clarification is in order.
The question was why many people are resistant to changing the setting. Not adapting, interpreting, etc., but rather actual change. Such as the existance of smokepowder, for instance -- many feel it changes the setting too much. Or, on the non-canon side, turning Waterdeep into an expansionistic, territorial power, rather than the merchantile one it is currently.
Adaptation is encouraged, especially if it makes sense. For instance, bringing in elements of the environmental modual Frostburn into the polar regions of Faerun. Or, in an example I often like to quote (so much so that a certain scribe here is probably sick of it ), restructuring Chult to get rid of dinosaurs, which stick out like sore thumbs. |
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Fend Of Greathold
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Posted - 04 Jan 2005 : 10:10:21
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| i c - my mistake |
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