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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
 Posted - 07 Nov 2004 : 05:26:48
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You want to know how I've viewed that relationship? 
Ao could have had the Tablets back any time he wanted. He chose to shake up his lazy charges instead. This had the side-effect of plunging the world into chaos.
So, the Luminous Being wasn't asking Ao if he'd settled that nasty problem. Instead, it was:
"Ao? Have you cleaned up your room yet?" |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 07 Nov 2004 : 05:37:00
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Originally posted by Bookwyrm
You want to know how I've viewed that relationship?
Ao could have had the Tablets back any time he wanted. He chose to shake up his lazy charges instead. This had the side-effect of plunging the world into chaos.
So, the Luminous Being wasn't asking Ao if he'd settled that nasty problem. Instead, it was:
"Ao? Have you cleaned up your room yet?"
 Indeed, it could be interpreted as such...
You certainly have a gift my friend... 
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 07 Nov 2004 : 05:42:59
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Sure I do. Move over, Dave Berry, here comes the Bookwyrm!  
I doubt I could make a regular job out of it. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 07 Nov 2004 : 05:49:05
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Originally posted by Bookwyrm
Sure I do. Move over, Dave Berry, here comes the Bookwyrm!
I doubt I could make a regular job out of it.
While that may be true, I certainly hope you won't deprive your fellow scribes here at Candlekeep, of your wit  . Especially with your recent work on those historical parody pieces. We'd like to see more...
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 07 Nov 2004 : 06:49:45
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| Only one historical parody posted here, though I'm trying to do another one (when the Great and Powerful Big Shot Sage, Ed of the Greenwood, asks for something, it's hard to say no!). The other was a fly-on-the-wall piece. Though you could count that NWN one in the private Newsletter section, I suppose. |
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Dracandos the Spellsage
Senior Scribe
466 Posts |
Posted - 07 Nov 2004 : 21:07:32
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| what are these parodys you have made bookwyrm? i take it they were posted during my leave of absense (guess thatll teach me not to wonder off through portals to Sigil) where might i look at these scrolls? |
Death strips away the masks men don to hide their true nature - The Slayer's Guide to Undead
The Lord of Murder shall perish, but in his doom he shall spawn a score of mortal progeny. Chaos shall be sown from their passage - So Sayeth the Wise Alaundo
Whenever magic one doth weave, 'tis never ever wise to deceive - Elminster
Strength and power come from knowing and controlling what others do not, but never reveal all that you know - Vecna
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 08 Nov 2004 : 14:45:18
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Originally posted by Dracandos the Spellsage
what are these parodys you have made bookwyrm? i take it they were posted during my leave of absense (guess thatll teach me not to wonder off through portals to Sigil) where might i look at these scrolls?
My friend, please take the time to examine both pages of this wondrous scroll. Not only will you receive a laugh, but you'll learn about an important event in Realms history... 
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Dracandos the Spellsage
Senior Scribe
466 Posts |
Posted - 09 Nov 2004 : 15:04:31
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haha nice bookwrym |
Death strips away the masks men don to hide their true nature - The Slayer's Guide to Undead
The Lord of Murder shall perish, but in his doom he shall spawn a score of mortal progeny. Chaos shall be sown from their passage - So Sayeth the Wise Alaundo
Whenever magic one doth weave, 'tis never ever wise to deceive - Elminster
Strength and power come from knowing and controlling what others do not, but never reveal all that you know - Vecna
I have been known to cast a blue mage spell now and again - Dracandos the Spellsage |
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costaran
Acolyte
Turkey
17 Posts |
Posted - 11 Apr 2005 : 03:56:40
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Ed of Greenwood shall the master be. |
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Rhezarnos
Learned Scribe
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Malaysia
131 Posts |
Posted - 11 Apr 2005 : 06:00:21
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Finished reading the ToT
Wondering who Ao's master might be
Pray not the reader or DM be the master or masters
For then it looks like they just ran out of ideas
This being the honest opinion of mine
I hope all that're reading this won't mind
I hope it's not wrong to not read what's been posted
Though I know that inside the answer might've been stated
Why in the Nine Hells am I writing in rhyme?
Damn that foul play that I've been rehearsing since nine! |
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Gray Richardson
Master of Realmslore
USA
1291 Posts |
Posted - 11 Apr 2005 : 17:47:16
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Overgods are entities with divine rank greater than 20. Sort of like epic level gods. When they hit DVR 21, they lose all need for worshippers. They tend to stop relating to the universe at large and work behind the scenes. Perhaps in some greater reality, or transcendental dimension, or "hyperverse" if you will.
Presumably overgods have overdivine salient abilites, which we can speculate might include something like "create crystal sphere," or "create plane," or "create universe." What else they can do is completely unknown--but probably pretty awesome.
Whether they have overportfolios or not is sheer speculation. We have I believe only 2 definite examples of overgods (Ao and the Highgod of that "K" universe.) These two are known to concern themselves with particular crystal spheres. It may be that most if not all crystal spheres have overgods that remain hidden and unrevealed. Although, it seems unlikely that all overgods share such concerns.
It has been speculated that Io & Sigil's Lady of Pain are also overgods, but there are as many arguments against their overgod status as for it.
If Ao reports to higher luminous being, then he might be an entity with higher divine rank than him--his superior in some sort of metapantheon. Or these entities may be qualitatively different than anything we have a concept for.
As we only know of the luminous being by way of one conversation at the end of one novel (and a mention in Faiths & Avatars seemingly based off that one conversation) the information we have may be appocryphal; it may not be true or reflect the actual truth.
This is just one of those ineffable mysteries to which we are likely never to have an answer. |
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Neriandal Freit
Senior Scribe
USA
396 Posts |
Posted - 12 Apr 2005 : 00:24:38
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Such an old topic revived...aiyaya!
But I'll add my two cents.
Ao's Master is simple. One Mrs. Ed Greenwood. One must understand that women, 8 of 10 rule supreme. And even though Ao(Ed) created the universe, he still has to answer to a woman... |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 12 Apr 2005 : 02:44:33
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Originally posted by Gray Richardson
It has been speculated that Io...
I would suggestion that this is a more accuracte assumption. Most of the previous material on Io can at least be interpreted in this fashion.
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...& Sigil's Lady of Pain are also overgods...
I tend toward the theory that Sigil is in fact the overgod, and Her Serenity is merely avatar of said deity.
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Senbar Flay
Learned Scribe
185 Posts |
Posted - 13 Apr 2005 : 03:21:34
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Hey! I remebre I opened a scroll like this a while back...
Anyway on to the point I have a qwestion is Ao the only overgod out there does each setting have it's own since I am foreign to them and if so could it be he was merely talking to another overgod perhaps there is no higher power. Also may anyone tell me who Io is he sounds like Ao's brother or somethin or is it just a typo?
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 13 Apr 2005 : 03:42:53
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Originally posted by Senbar Flay
Hey! I remebre I opened a scroll like this a while back...
Anyway on to the point I have a qwestion is Ao the only overgod out there does each setting have it's own since I am foreign to them and if so could it be he was merely talking to another overgod perhaps there is no higher power. Also may anyone tell me who Io is he sounds like Ao's brother or somethin or is it just a typo?
No he isn't the only one. The High God of Dragonlance is another. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 13 Apr 2005 : 03:53:00
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Originally posted by Senbar Flay
Hey! I remebre I opened a scroll like this a while back...
Anyway on to the point I have a qwestion is Ao the only overgod out there does each setting have it's own since I am foreign to them and if so could it be he was merely talking to another overgod perhaps there is no higher power. Also may anyone tell me who Io is he sounds like Ao's brother or somethin or is it just a typo?
Io is theorized to be the draconic overgod. |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1272 Posts |
Posted - 13 Apr 2005 : 04:25:58
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| Hmm... I remember reading somewhere that there were actually like a group of Overgods that created Toril, and Ao was left behind to run it, keeping balance between good and evil, law and chaos, etc. Of course, I'm not really sure if that info was canon or not. |
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
Finland
1073 Posts |
Posted - 13 Apr 2005 : 07:23:59
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| The onlz god called "Io" I know of exists in discworld. Who is this Io? |
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Sigonan
Acolyte
Greece
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Posted - 13 Apr 2005 : 10:32:16
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I would like to comment that an overpowering DM, patting Ao's head after taking care of ToT, unsettles me!
Well, I suppose that either a major creating being or entity is behind Ao, because it created the sphere, or... Let's just say that we cannot understand everything, right? By my religious roots, I tend to believe that not everything is within our comprehension. Why should it be different in FR? Meaning, how is it possible to comprehend what the "luminous entity" is, since we cannot approach its creating genious? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 13 Apr 2005 : 11:22:20
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Originally posted by khorne
The onlz god called "Io" I know of exists in discworld. Who is this Io?
He is theorized to be the overgod for dragons -- the deity that even draconic gods answer to. |
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
Finland
1073 Posts |
Posted - 13 Apr 2005 : 17:36:58
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by khorne
The onlz god called "Io" I know of exists in discworld. Who is this Io?
He is theorized to be the overgod for dragons -- the deity that even draconic gods answer to.
Where is he mentioned? The only draconic powers I know of are Tiamat and Bahamut, and the latter has just about never appeared in the Realms. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 13 Apr 2005 : 17:45:55
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Originally posted by khorne
Where is he mentioned? The only draconic powers I know of are Tiamat and Bahamut, and the latter has just about never appeared in the Realms.
Draconomicon, pages 34-35 is one source for Io. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 13 Apr 2005 : 18:13:01
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
quote:
Originally posted by khorne
Where is he mentioned? The only draconic powers I know of are Tiamat and Bahamut, and the latter has just about never appeared in the Realms.
Draconomicon, pages 34-35 is one source for Io.
I believe it's also in the old Council of Wyrms box set and reprinted hardback book. |
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Mareka
Learned Scribe
Canada
125 Posts |
Posted - 13 Apr 2005 : 20:50:47
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| He was mentioned in Monster Mythology too. |
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Remus
Acolyte
USA
7 Posts |
Posted - 13 Apr 2005 : 22:36:41
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| Where is it said that Io is an overgod and not a leader of the pantheon like Corellon to the Seldarine and Lolth to the drow |
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Darkheyr
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 13 Apr 2005 : 22:58:15
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| If I recall correctly, Io is mentioned as the leader of the good part of draconian deities in Demihuman Deities. |
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Remus
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 13 Apr 2005 : 23:04:31
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| Io is specified as the god of all dragons in the Draconomicon. You are thinking of Bahamut. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 14 Apr 2005 : 09:47:18
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Originally posted by Remus
Io is specified as the god of all dragons in the Draconomicon. You are thinking of Bahamut.
Io is a Greater Power.
Also called "The Ninefold Dragon", "The Concordand Dragon", "The Swallower of Shades", "The Great Eternal Wheel", and "The Sire of All Creation".
Apparently, Io is the creator of all dragonkind. Information concerning the location of his lair is still mostly unavailable. It seems that for centuries, dragons warred with each other constantly. The Ninefold Dragon created his children all over the planes of existance.
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Gray Richardson
Master of Realmslore
USA
1291 Posts |
Posted - 14 Apr 2005 : 20:33:08
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I could see Io gaining in power over time to transcend greater god status, achieving DVR 21 or higher and ascending to overgod status.
It could explain how dragons came to be so widespread throughout the various crystal spheres. Io might very well have seeded the universes with dragonkind through some sort of panspermia (or panovia) paradigm.
Which makes me wonder if there are not other hidden racial overgods that work behind the scenes to make sure their favored races gain a foothold in various crystal spheres.
Maybe that is why humans are so populous throughout the multiverse. Perhaps there is a secret patron overgod of humans that has helped them spread far and flourish throughout the crystal spheres. |
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Remus
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 14 Apr 2005 : 21:41:02
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quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
quote:
Originally posted by Remus
Io is specified as the god of all dragons in the Draconomicon. You are thinking of Bahamut.
Io is a Greater Power.
Also called "The Ninefold Dragon", "The Concordand Dragon", "The Swallower of Shades", "The Great Eternal Wheel", and "The Sire of All Creation".
Apparently, Io is the creator of all dragonkind. Information concerning the location of his lair is still mostly unavailable. It seems that for centuries, dragons warred with each other constantly. The Ninefold Dragon created his children all over the planes of existance.
Wait, Im confused  . In the 3ed Draconomicon, Io is stated as an intermediate deity of all dragons, while in the 2ed Draconomicon I can't find any reference to Io. If I'm missing something feel free to point it out . |
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