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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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 Posted - 27 Nov 2004 : 18:39:54
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Originally posted by the psychotic seaotter
However I find that the trend of X evil returns and now Y race is a playable PC race is getting old. IMHO Bane should have stayed dead, sure Xvim could have ascended or something like that but not a Bane rezz.
Uh, Iyachtu Xvim had already ascended. He'd been a god for a few years when Bane re-emerged.
I liked Xvim a lot more than Bane -- I thought he had a lot better style, and was just plain a cooler evil god. But, as I said above, it could be argued that Xvim's history does lay the groundwork for Bane's return -- particularly the fact that Xvim woke up imprisoned under Zhentil Keep after the Time of Troubles. |
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Xysma
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 07 Dec 2004 : 14:44:23
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As to the rest I could take or leave. However I only use what I want so I can largely ignore most of it. However it does take up precious book space.
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I think you hit the nail on the head. Not everything WOTC does is going to be great. They are in the stressful position of trying to please us old guys who have read all of the novels, while at the same time appealing to a whole new crowd. I think that's one of the reasons for all of the new playable races. Yes, star elves are ridiculous, and no, I would never play one. But, one of the guys in my group was excited about them, and couldn't wait to play one.
Bring back Bane? Sure, why not. Bane is a cool god. To be honest, I hope they bring back Bhaal, I've had hold-out clerics in our campaign trying to bring him back forever, it would be ok with me if they finally succeeded.
I just try to remember that for everything that I dislike about a book, there is someone out there who loves it. That's the great thing about the Forgotten Realms, you can pick and choose. There's so much magic, that anything can happen. We've had a Kender who fell into his bag of holding in Krynn and fell out in Faerun. Even with the multitude of playable races in the Realms books, people still want to try something new, or something beloved.
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Beirnadri Magranth
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Posted - 27 Mar 2006 : 20:29:57
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hmm i agree (something like a global restoration/resurrection spell must have been cast!)
no jk
but i dont mind, the more the merrier!!
you know, though, the more i read about ancient history of faerun etc. the more everything seems to be connected from the get go... shades and sarrukh etc. and daemonfey are nearly directly related through the GSWS the netehr scrolls (i stick to my belief that vyshaan lords and siluvanedenn ppl had the nether scrolls)
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 28 Mar 2006 : 02:20:38
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Yeah, funny how it's all turning out like that - linked together I mean. You'd think people were doing it on purpose. Now where was that lore on the Ilythiiri ... 
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
Finland
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Posted - 02 Apr 2006 : 15:43:06
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by the psychotic seaotter
However I find that the trend of X evil returns and now Y race is a playable PC race is getting old. IMHO Bane should have stayed dead, sure Xvim could have ascended or something like that but not a Bane rezz.
Uh, Iyachtu Xvim had already ascended. He'd been a god for a few years when Bane re-emerged.
I liked Xvim a lot more than Bane -- I thought he had a lot better style, and was just plain a cooler evil god. But, as I said above, it could be argued that Xvim's history does lay the groundwork for Bane's return -- particularly the fact that Xvim woke up imprisoned under Zhentil Keep after the Time of Troubles.
I agree whole-heartedly with you Wooly - IMHO Xvim is a LOT cooler than Bane  I still haven't decided if Bane will ever return in my campaigns, and thus, Xvim will be around for at least some time yet 
I felt disappointed at how Bane would just "step out of his son's body " and take over his portfolio and church. There was no real buil-up or mysteries linked to this, and this sudden "overnight re-emergence" just didn't feel right for me  |
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
Finland
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Posted - 02 Apr 2006 : 15:48:34
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I was glad, though, about the news regarding a certain Creeping God in Power of Faerūn  (I know that the Sage probably is, too  )
Since I have always assumed that there was, at least, a "seed" of his/its power imprisoned within Darkwatch, I have used this as an adventure hook in my campaign. Some members of House Floshin Fey'ri who have assumed guises of gold elves have courted the Eldreth Veluuthra to serve Moander (who appears to them as an ancient and forgotten elven deity, as George suggested) |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 02 Apr 2006 : 17:41:42
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I was glad, though, about the news regarding a certain Creeping God in Power of Faerūn (I know that the Sage probably is, too )
I'm not as keen on that one... I'd rather see him stay dead.  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 02 Apr 2006 : 17:50:45
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Asgetrion
I was glad, though, about the news regarding a certain Creeping God in Power of Faerūn (I know that the Sage probably is, too )
I'm not as keen on that one... I'd rather see him stay dead.
And normally, so would I. But as Asgetrion said above... I'm paricularly happy with these details because it works perfectly with an idea Asgetrion and I discussed quite a while back concerning the Creeping God -- an idea I'm developing for an article here at Candlekeep actually.
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Beirnadri Magranth
Senior Scribe
USA
720 Posts |
Posted - 02 Apr 2006 : 18:48:29
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wait eldreth veluuthra and moander? how? why
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Reefy
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Posted - 03 Apr 2006 : 00:25:52
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Asgetrion
I was glad, though, about the news regarding a certain Creeping God in Power of Faerūn (I know that the Sage probably is, too )
I'm not as keen on that one... I'd rather see him stay dead.
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Kajehase
Great Reader
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Posted - 03 Apr 2006 : 01:55:10
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1. He smells.
2. He smells really bad.
3. No, I meand really bad.
4. Really, really bad.
5. He killed Akabar! The Bastard!
6. Did I mentions he smells? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 03 Apr 2006 : 02:09:03
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Originally posted by Kajehase
1. He smells.
2. He smells really bad.
3. No, I meand really bad.
4. Really, really bad.
5. He killed Akabar! The Bastard!
6. Did I mentions he smells?
Seriously, I just don't like Moander, and I prefer my dead gods to stay dead. |
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
Finland
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Posted - 03 Apr 2006 : 11:45:16
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Kajehase
1. He smells.
2. He smells really bad.
3. No, I meand really bad.
4. Really, really bad.
5. He killed Akabar! The Bastard!
6. Did I mentions he smells?
Seriously, I just don't like Moander, and I prefer my dead gods to stay dead.
Ditto. Moander got thumped good and proper, and he should stay that way. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 03 Apr 2006 : 18:13:12
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Well,
There are hints in 2e books that he could return since there is a few passages of text, but I forgot which book, that says some of his divine essance is still within people or places. I'd have to dig through the material, but I know it exists since I used it for a game once. :) |
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Beirnadri Magranth
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 03 Apr 2006 : 20:43:40
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I think it makes more sense to have moander rise (being a god of corruption) rather than bane (god of hate etc.)
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 03 Apr 2006 : 21:36:23
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Originally posted by Kuje
Well,
There are hints in 2e books that he could return since there is a few passages of text, but I forgot which book, that says some of his divine essance is still within people or places. I'd have to dig through the material, but I know it exists since I used it for a game once. :)
Volo's Guide to the Dalelands, as I recall, hinted that Moander wasn't entirely gone... |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 03 Apr 2006 : 21:57:29
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Kuje
Well,
There are hints in 2e books that he could return since there is a few passages of text, but I forgot which book, that says some of his divine essance is still within people or places. I'd have to dig through the material, but I know it exists since I used it for a game once. :)
Volo's Guide to the Dalelands, as I recall, hinted that Moander wasn't entirely gone...
Yeah, that might be it. :) |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 04 Apr 2006 : 05:38:43
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Originally posted by Kuje
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Kuje
Well,
There are hints in 2e books that he could return since there is a few passages of text, but I forgot which book, that says some of his divine essance is still within people or places. I'd have to dig through the material, but I know it exists since I used it for a game once. :)
Volo's Guide to the Dalelands, as I recall, hinted that Moander wasn't entirely gone...
Yeah, that might be it. :)
It was... the section on the Darkwatch pretty much hints at the fact that the bound divine evil was breaking through the spell bonds previously holding it in place.
I seem to recall this mentioned elsewhere as well though...
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Does anything stay dead in the 3ed FR?
