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brjr2001
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 Posted - 10 Jul 2004 : 06:28:16
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i belive that they should of had that d&d movie made about Baldurs Gate it would of been alot better than the movie
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Edited by - Alaundo on 10 Jul 2004 19:49:58
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Icewolf
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Posted - 10 Jul 2004 : 06:53:13
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A movie about D&D Faerun, as opposed to genreic D&D? Absolutely, it would have been better.
Also, since this question is (finally) not off-topic: What the heck happened at the end of that movie? Did they just disappear, or die, or travel to a different plane? Or were they just polymorphed into fairy dust? |
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Capn Charlie
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Posted - 10 Jul 2004 : 07:52:51
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They made the horrible mistake of assuming that dnd fans(being fans of a GAME) would be kind and forgiving, enjoying the movie as a light hearted quasi comedy, and that they would want to see more.
As such they blatantly left the ending open to a sequel, never guessing the sheer volume of mostly inane ill will that was generated by the targeted audience would doom the movie to obscurity or worse.
It is like what would have happened if there had been a major backlash against the film Scary Movie if the audience in general had thrown serious fits about it not being a serious and hard core horor movie.
I just guess that the fans of goredrenched bloodfest movies are a little more easygoing than GAMERS. |
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brjr2001
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Posted - 10 Jul 2004 : 19:28:15
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as for the people turning into whatever at the end i have you an answer
They were all turned into magic missles now we know where they come from a dimension thats really really cheesy |
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AlacLuin
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Posted - 11 Jul 2004 : 00:57:13
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Maybe I shoulden't admit this, but I liked the D&D movie.
Good script? NO.
Good acting? NO.
Good Story? No.
But I liked it for what it was, light entertainment. |
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Talwyn
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Posted - 11 Jul 2004 : 01:35:58
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Light entertaintment? It had the molecular weight of Hydrogen 
In my worthless opinion, there have only been a handful of decent fantasy films EVER made. Them being: LoTR, Legend, Willow, Conan the Barbarian, Chinese Ghost Story I-III and Excalibur are the films I can watch time and again. They are just plain fun.
The D&D movie was another film project suffocated at birth by studio execs who think they are writers or directors, but have the creative talent of a squashed snail. |
Over the centuries, mankind has tried many ways of combating the forces of evil...prayer, fasting, good works and so on.
Up until Doom, no one seemed to have thought about the double-barrel shotgun.
EAT LEADEN DEATH DEMON!
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brjr2001
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Posted - 11 Jul 2004 : 01:42:01
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| ah but you forgot the neverending story. but yes i think my brother could make a better movie than the people that made that sad piece of work and honestly my brother is 5 |
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Talwyn
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Posted - 11 Jul 2004 : 02:19:44
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I have probably left a few other good films off the list but to name them all would be pointless as everyone has their own idea as to what is the best fantasy movie.
Maybe we could start a straw poll and see which flick gets the most votes for best fantasy film as nominated by gamers, because as Capn Charlie has so insightfuly observed:
"the fans of goredrenched bloodfest movies are a little more easygoing than GAMERS" , thus we are a more discerning bunch of critics and can spot drivel when we see it!
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Over the centuries, mankind has tried many ways of combating the forces of evil...prayer, fasting, good works and so on.
Up until Doom, no one seemed to have thought about the double-barrel shotgun.
EAT LEADEN DEATH DEMON!
Terry Pratchett
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brjr2001
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Posted - 11 Jul 2004 : 07:45:56
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| but all i am saying is that we shouldn't give up hope just because a very bad movie was made. they should press on and make a even better D&D movie with an actual story thats why i think baldurs gate should be made into a movie cause it has a plot instead of something that always has to deal with dragons (which that part of the movie SUCKED) |
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Capn Charlie
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Posted - 11 Jul 2004 : 08:08:12
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| No, a baldur's gate movie would bomb horribly. That game is generally reviled and hated in almost the same calibre as the DnD movie. At least by the smae amount of the vocal majority of the players on message boards. |
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brjr2001
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Posted - 11 Jul 2004 : 08:23:46
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| ok then Capn Charlie what do you think the movie should of been? |
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Capn Charlie
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Posted - 11 Jul 2004 : 09:13:23
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Well, it could have been a lot of things. However, as diverse as dnd fans are, nothing they could have done would have pleased the majority of them.
Had they used Greyhawk, the FR fans would have rioted. If they had used FR all the legions of dnd players whose hearts are filled with unadulterated hatred for the realms would have rioted. Were it based on Dragonalnce, well, people would have been bitching about wanting to see the kender die instead of snails.
The only safe path was to go with a completely new world, and so much of their budget was cut last minute that they couldn't use the serious script, but a quasi comedy one and try to make do in the SFX department with what little bits of work they had already done(aka the beholder cameo).
IF this had had big money funding it could have been a much better movie, but it stil would be reviled by about as many fans.
This comes, in my opinion, from the inherantly cell based nature of the game. Most every DM thinks he is doing things the right way, and when he encounters another using a different method, he usually sees them as doing it wrong. Since the game is so many things to so many people, there is no way to please a large enough portion of the fanbase to make it a worthwhile venture.
If they had went with a completely generic name with the movie, not using DnD, it would have likely done much better. Sure, it would have faded into the same obscurity as most fantasy movies, but it would not have recieved the same amount of hate that it did with the dnd name attached.
Personally, I loved BG but I only had to read two chapters of the novel before I got sick and refused to read anymore. I invested a lot in that game, and did a lot of roleplaying(above and beyond what the game had n it!) and seeing the storry handled in such a way as I would never had done it just seemed to rob it of a good portion of the game and story's magic. It just was not BG, in my eyes, as the sory was dictated by my choices in the game.
Likewise, I would love to see the realms made into a movie, perhaps centering around Drizzt, but again, even among realms fans drizzt is often reviled.
We are a group divided by a hobby, it seems, with the only people we dislike more than players of other games being the players of different versions of this one. I mean, if fans of a setting cannot even agree on liking a single character, how can the fans of an entire game do likewise?
As whiny, picky and generally unpleasant as gamers are as a whole there is no good attempting the herculean task of pleasing this diverse lot of nitpickers, so why bother. |
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brjr2001
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 11 Jul 2004 : 10:12:28
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| ohhh ok youve been most helpfull. and has changed my opinion on the matter thanks |
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Lina
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Posted - 11 Jul 2004 : 14:01:57
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I can't pass any judgement here since I've never gotten around to seeing the D&D movie. There is one thing however...
Talwyn, I thought Chinese Ghost Story 1-3 was more a tragic love story than a fantasy movie. |
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brjr2001
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Posted - 11 Jul 2004 : 17:32:51
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Lina What ever you do no matter how tempting it is dont see the movie it brings a new definition to the word cheesy movie
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 11 Jul 2004 : 17:59:59
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Capn Charlie sums it up quite well...
I participated in no less than three arguments on the WotC forums about this topic.
Some other points I brought up:
Even if the story was set in the Realms, some Realms fans would be unhappy. I don't dislike Drizzt, but I'd hate to see him get more air-time -- I'm bored with him.
Many people, though, do hate Drizzt. So if the movie was about him, then many Realms fans would stay away. Conversely, if it wasn't about him, then all the "OMG Drizzit is soo kewl!!!11" fans would stay away.
Oh, and a Drizzt movie, to properly catch the feel of Drizzt, would have to explain that he's an outcast, and why. Can you imagine the reaction of some political groups, when they find a movie that has an entire race of dark-skinned people that are thoroughly evil? Sure, we all know better, but some of these groups don't, and they'd happily nail the movie-makers to the wall for that one.
Further, which story would you tell? No matter what story you picked, people would complain that their fave wasn't selected.
And any established story that was picked would have to be exceedingly accurate, or some people would rip it apart... There's still people that are unhappy that Tom Bombadil wasn't in the movie The Fellowship of the Ring.
Fantasy movies generally don't do well as major releases, either. And now there's a huge flop that people would remember... Unless it's direct-to-video, I don't see anyone being brave enough to try making a movie based on any D&D setting for a long, long time. And even dorect-to-video is unlikely, because most people pay no attention to those. |
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Sarelle
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Posted - 11 Jul 2004 : 19:00:04
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
And any established story that was picked would have to be exceedingly accurate, or some people would rip it apart... There's still people that are unhappy that Tom Bombadil wasn't in the movie The Fellowship of the Ring.
*Shudders* To further illustrate Wooly's point - I felt like showering Peter Jackson with praise just for THIS relief.
Though, it has to be said, whilst I'll admit it's a bit of a no-win situation for WotC - that is no excuse for the travesty that was the D&D movie. |
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brjr2001
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Posted - 11 Jul 2004 : 20:05:07
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| i dunno why i hated tom bombadil he needed to sing like only one song and only once but no he had to sing alot id rather kill someone than watch lord of the rings |
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Talwyn
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Posted - 12 Jul 2004 : 01:41:07
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What's wrong with Tom Bombadil? a rather interesting character who save the hobbits twice, I thought. Don't you like a bit of song and poetry brjr2001? 
Anyway, I agree with what Wooly Rupert posted earlier: it's a case of you can't satisfy all the people all the time and any realms or D&D based movie would always have it's detractors.
Although I do believe there's another book out there that might be able to make the great leap from page to stage as it were and be embraced by a large slice of the gaming/fantasy community and that's Raymond Fiests "Magician". I think if someone like the great god Peter Jackson were to get the rights to the book and make that one into a film, then I'm positive that we'd all be singing his praises once again. And Magician was based upon the homebrew campaign that Fiest & his friends had going in the late 70's, so we'd be getting a D&D movie!
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Over the centuries, mankind has tried many ways of combating the forces of evil...prayer, fasting, good works and so on.
Up until Doom, no one seemed to have thought about the double-barrel shotgun.
EAT LEADEN DEATH DEMON!
Terry Pratchett
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 12 Jul 2004 : 01:59:54
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Originally posted by Talwyn
Although I do believe there's another book out there that might be able to make the great leap from page to stage as it were and be embraced by a large slice of the gaming/fantasy community and that's Raymond Fiests "Magician". I think if someone like the great god Peter Jackson were to get the rights to the book and make that one into a film, then I'm positive that we'd all be singing his praises once again. And Magician was based upon the homebrew campaign that Fiest & his friends had going in the late 70's, so we'd be getting a D&D movie!
A movie on Magician would be great, but I don't think that it could be squeezed into just two hours... I don't even know if it could be squeezed into two movies, the way the book was split for publishing in paperback form!
And hey, it's great to see another fan of Feist. He's my fave fantasy author, and one of the first I ever read.  |
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brjr2001
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Posted - 12 Jul 2004 : 03:14:15
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| sorry Talwin i read the book on tape one and it sounded kinda cheesy and it kinda had no purpose in the book. but i did like it when he saves them from the thing in the swamp |
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 12 Jul 2004 : 05:21:17
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
And hey, it's great to see another fan of Feist. He's my fave fantasy author, and one of the first I ever read.
WR likes Feist!!???  Oh, I knew there was a reason I liked you. I'm sure there is another reason for liking you besides your preference to Feist, but I forget whatever it was. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 12 Jul 2004 : 05:36:51
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
And hey, it's great to see another fan of Feist. He's my fave fantasy author, and one of the first I ever read.
WR likes Feist!!??? Oh, I knew there was a reason I liked you. I'm sure there is another reason for liking you besides your preference to Feist, but I forget whatever it was.
I have long been a fan of Feist, since before Prince of the Blood or the Empire books were published.
The paperback of Magician: Master was one of the first fantasy novels I read, back in about '88 or '89.
And Faerie Tale remains my fave book, overall.
And you forget the reason? Now who's senile? |
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 12 Jul 2004 : 06:16:34
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
And you forget the reason? Now who's senile?
Be nice to me or I'll start a thread or pose a question in this thread on...
Which actor would be the best choice to play Drizzt in a possible FR movie?
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 12 Jul 2004 : 07:01:59
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
And you forget the reason? Now who's senile?
Be nice to me or I'll start a thread or pose a question in this thread on...
Which actor would be the best choice to play Drizzt in a possible FR movie?
To borrow a phrase from Sluggy Freelance... Stay good, Sirius! Stay good!
I'll be nice now. |
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Talwyn
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Posted - 12 Jul 2004 : 14:56:55
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Steady Lads, Steady on now
Any brawling and I'll have to start a book and start taking bets
We all have our preferences about fantasy (who's good/who sucks etc)
but the main thing here is we ALL are devotees of the genre.
I'd think that Magician would be a good film as it's one of the more widely read fanstasy books (large target audience) and yes, it'd have to be done in 2 films at least!
brjr2001, no need to apologise if you didn't enjoy it. Actually Fiest has an annoying way of starting his chapters with a suposition (I think that's the term?) ie; The night was Dark or The castle was in an uproar. After a while it starts to grate on my nerves so I had to skip the 1st line in every chapter. But on the whole, a fairly good story teller is what I'm interested in. |
Over the centuries, mankind has tried many ways of combating the forces of evil...prayer, fasting, good works and so on.
Up until Doom, no one seemed to have thought about the double-barrel shotgun.
EAT LEADEN DEATH DEMON!
Terry Pratchett
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Mystery_Man
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Posted - 12 Jul 2004 : 15:13:12
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
And hey, it's great to see another fan of Feist. He's my fave fantasy author, and one of the first I ever read.
WR likes Feist!!??? Oh, I knew there was a reason I liked you. I'm sure there is another reason for liking you besides your preference to Feist, but I forget whatever it was.
I have long been a fan of Feist, since before Prince of the Blood or the Empire books were published.
The paperback of Magician: Master was one of the first fantasy novels I read, back in about '88 or '89.
And Faerie Tale remains my fave book, overall.
And you forget the reason? Now who's senile?
It's when I read posts like this I realize just how old I am. I read the Magician books when they came out but were the furthest from the first fantasy books I read. Yeesh!  I can't remember the first one, maybe the Hobbit, or I think it was something Chronicles of Narnish. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 12 Jul 2004 : 15:42:43
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Originally posted by Talwyn
Actually Fiest has an annoying way of starting his chapters with a suposition (I think that's the term?) ie; The night was Dark or The castle was in an uproar. After a while it starts to grate on my nerves so I had to skip the 1st line in every chapter. But on the whole, a fairly good story teller is what I'm interested in.
I actually liked that first line... It's distinctive, and an interesting way of starting each chapter. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 12 Jul 2004 : 15:47:53
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Originally posted by Elf_Friend
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
And hey, it's great to see another fan of Feist. He's my fave fantasy author, and one of the first I ever read.
WR likes Feist!!??? Oh, I knew there was a reason I liked you. I'm sure there is another reason for liking you besides your preference to Feist, but I forget whatever it was.
I have long been a fan of Feist, since before Prince of the Blood or the Empire books were published.
The paperback of Magician: Master was one of the first fantasy novels I read, back in about '88 or '89.
And Faerie Tale remains my fave book, overall.
And you forget the reason? Now who's senile?
It's when I read posts like this I realize just how old I am. I read the Magician books when they came out but were the furthest from the first fantasy books I read. Yeesh! I can't remember the first one, maybe the Hobbit, or I think it was something Chronicles of Narnish.
Hey, you've only got a few years on me -- less than a handful.
It's just that other than the Endless Quest books, which I read more because of my love (at the time) for variable-ending books, I didn't read any real fantasy until I was 13 or 14. |
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brjr2001
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Posted - 12 Jul 2004 : 19:41:18
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usually i like to start a story with the main charactor waking up from a battle and he's been there for like a week
but i usually start a game with the charactors in a cell. probally from head hunters or canabals. but yeah we make it outta there alive
i have another question how well does you charactors respond to Religeon? do you have your guy do religeous rituals after a man dies? thats what i do |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 12 Jul 2004 : 22:42:28
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Originally posted by brjr2001
usually i like to start a story with the main charactor waking up from a battle and he's been there for like a week
but i usually start a game with the charactors in a cell. probally from head hunters or canabals. but yeah we make it outta there alive
i have another question how well does you charactors respond to Religeon? do you have your guy do religeous rituals after a man dies? thats what i do
It depends on the character... Some are religious, some are not. |
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