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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
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 Posted - 18 Jun 2004 : 01:17:40
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
Regardless, I'm happy in my deluded state
I'm gonna remember you said that.  
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chosenofvelsharoon
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 18 Jun 2004 : 10:00:58
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i'm sorry kuje31,
i do too much skimming and not enough reading.
Your right, it was mentioned more than once on page one. |
~chosen of Velsharoon
"and naught shall be left, saved shattered throwns with none to rule them but the dead." |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 18 Jun 2004 : 13:52:17
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Originally posted by chosenofvelsharoon
i'm sorry kuje31,
i do too much skimming and not enough reading.
Your right, it was mentioned more than once on page one.
I'm not kuje31. I'm not that lucky.
However, I don't think you had to apologize. I know of a thread where an explanation for an abbreviation was asked on the same page, twice.
That's what I need to ask next in the FR Trivia Challenge thread. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 18 Jun 2004 : 17:42:40
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Originally posted by chosenofvelsharoon
i'm sorry kuje31,
i do too much skimming and not enough reading.
Your right, it was mentioned more than once on page one.
Nah it's cool. I was just pulling your leg and teasing with Sirius and Wooly. :) |
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Senbar Flay
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 24 Jun 2004 : 19:11:16
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| Okay I have looked at both lists and they both have fey but what did they really do that is so great to become a creator race the others constructed their own empires and fought batles and stuff. But did the fey have cities or anything. |
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Sarelle
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
508 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jun 2004 : 13:21:54
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Originally posted by Senbar Flay
Okay I have looked at both lists and they both have fey but what did they really do that is so great to become a creator race the others constructed their own empires and fought batles and stuff. But did the fey have cities or anything.
Did I hear someone picking a fight with the Realms' fey? If you pick a fight with fey, you pick a fight with me!!!
Seriously:
I too don't really know why fey are a Creator Race. Elves came from another plane, so even though elves are fey-descended they arn't Realms fey-descended. And as you said - I can't imagine them building cities, or empires other than forest ones. I always imagined them as shadowy watchers rather than having central roles. |
Chair of the The Rightful Return of Monster Deities to FR Society (RRMDFRS)
My character, drawn by Liodain: Sarelle / Sarelle (smaller) |
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Senbar Flay
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 25 Jun 2004 : 19:04:52
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| You have a point they don't seem like huge empire builders because even today they are shadowy creatures living the forest and they must have don the same thing long ago they were probabley more numerous. Also since elves are fey decended and they came from Faerie does that mean the Faerie fey are diffrent form the Torillian fey? |
Imagination is more important than knowledge for knowledge is limited imagination encircles the world.- Albert Einstein |
Edited by - Senbar Flay on 25 Jun 2004 19:06:42 |
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Sarelle
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
508 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jun 2004 : 23:21:42
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Originally posted by Senbar Flay
You have a point they don't seem like huge empire builders because even today they are shadowy creatures living the forest and they must have don the same thing long ago they were probabley more numerous. Also since elves are fey decended and they came from Faerie does that mean the Faerie fey are diffrent form the Torillian fey?
That's where I got confused, too. I assumed fey came from Faerie, thus making it impossible for them to be a creator race. At the same time, though, fey are very much tied to the earth/sea/sky so in some ways it makes more sense for them to be native to Toril.
In some ways I think that fey would have gotten more secretive over the millenia - like elves - as humans expanded their empires, but as I said I just can't imagine them ever having empires.
To evaluate the evolution of elves/fey I always imagined it went something along the lines of:
1. Original, powerful, plane of Faerie fey along with the fey deities (Titania and co.)
2. Leshay (from the ELH - or an equivalent)
3. Sidhe
4. The first elves, that had the fey type and the elf subtype (I categorised these as Light and Dark Elves - the original Dark Elves being good-aligned, and slowly turning evil).
5. Modern elves (or rather, when they first migrated to Toril). |
Chair of the The Rightful Return of Monster Deities to FR Society (RRMDFRS)
My character, drawn by Liodain: Sarelle / Sarelle (smaller) |
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
921 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jun 2004 : 03:14:22
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Originally posted by Sarelle
That's where I got confused, too. I assumed fey came from Faerie, thus making it impossible for them to be a creator race. At the same time, though, fey are very much tied to the earth/sea/sky so in some ways it makes more sense for them to be native to Toril.
In some ways I think that fey would have gotten more secretive over the millenia - like elves - as humans expanded their empires, but as I said I just can't imagine them ever having empires.
To evaluate the evolution of elves/fey I always imagined it went something along the lines of:
1. Original, powerful, plane of Faerie fey along with the fey deities (Titania and co.)
2. Leshay (from the ELH - or an equivalent)
3. Sidhe
4. The first elves, that had the fey type and the elf subtype (I categorised these as Light and Dark Elves - the original Dark Elves being good-aligned, and slowly turning evil).
5. Modern elves (or rather, when they first migrated to Toril).
All interesting points. But just remember, the Unseelie Court has also played a rather significant role in the evolution of most fey (and to a lesser extent, the elves) on several worlds. If nothing else, Monster Mythology proved that.
The Sage has talked about this before, so I won't go into more specific details. Just try a search for 'Unseelie Court' information.
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Durak
Seeker
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Posted - 28 Jun 2004 : 14:08:49
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If i rememeber correctly (am at work.
The Creator race was the Sylvan (Hope i spelt that right ).
And the current remains of that cilivisation are the Fey, sprites, dryads etc.
But its also mentioned that Elves were not native to Toril. So no Elves were Fey on Toril. ( Could been fey on other worlds)
What i think that the Svylan did, was create a racial type based on Nature. The merging of themselves with nature, Trees to make Dryads. I wonder if they merged with Horses, goats to make centaurs and Satyrs. They would have i reckon great power in changing and worshipping Nature.
To me the name of their race seem to be of an Elf like creature, but i havent seen much lore on them. Dragonlance lore keeps getting in the way.
I wonder what races are classed as Toril fey. (At work no books)
Does anyone have the Ecology of the Korred, published in Dragon #119. And know anyway i can obtain a copy? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 28 Jun 2004 : 16:06:00
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Originally posted by Durak
Does anyone have the Ecology of the Korred, published in Dragon #119. And know anyway i can obtain a copy?
Well, you could wait for one of us who has the Dragon Magazine Archive to dig up the article... Or you might be able to find it on Google somewhere. I'd try the latter approach, first. If that doesn't work, I can try to get to that in a day or two.
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 29 Jun 2004 : 04:52:43
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Originally posted by Durak
Does anyone have the Ecology of the Korred, published in Dragon #119. And know anyway i can obtain a copy?
The Sage has a second copy of this particular issue (along with most of the issues in it's year of print thanks to a pathetic mail order mishap  ). Unfortunately, I've claimed it for my own collection  .
If you can't get your hands on the article though, I'd be willing to summarise the specifics of it's contents for you?
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cpthero2
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 01 Oct 2018 : 01:24:39
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Senior Scribe Sarelle,
The five creator races, also known as Iquar'Tel'Quessir, are:
- Humans
- Batrachi
- Sarrukh
- Fey
- Aearee
Best regards,
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Originally posted by Sarelle
I was reading "Birth control in the Realms" and a discussion of humans being one of the five creator races of Toril. And I remembered a question I'd had a while back -
What was the third creator race?
1. 'the' Creator Race (reptilian ones to be written up in SK  )
2. Dragons
3. -
4. Giants
5. Humans
Anyone know? Is the rest of my list correct?
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 01 Oct 2018 : 01:41:17
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Although at least one source lists "dragons" instead of the "fey".
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"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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cpthero2
Great Reader
USA
2286 Posts |
Posted - 01 Oct 2018 : 03:46:57
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Master Krashos,
Which source was that, if you don't mind me asking?
Best regards,
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Originally posted by George Krashos
Although at least one source lists "dragons" instead of the "fey".
-- George Krashos
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Higher Atlar
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6666 Posts |
Posted - 01 Oct 2018 : 12:48:59
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I'm pretty sure it was in the intro to Powers and Pantheons which essentially uses dragons instead of sarrukh - although it does talk generally about reptiles as one of the Creator Races.
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cpthero2
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 01 Oct 2018 : 14:49:18
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Master Krashos,
You definitely correct on your source. On page 2 (the Dawn of Time), it identifies five creator races and identifies Dragons as being one of them. So funny how the history bounces around! haha
Best regards,
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Originally posted by George Krashos
I'm pretty sure it was in the intro to Powers and Pantheons which essentially uses dragons instead of sarrukh - although it does talk generally about reptiles as one of the Creator Races.
-- George Krashos
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Higher Atlar
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