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Tezail
Acolyte
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 Posted - 06 Jun 2004 : 01:08:00
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Does anyone find the prestige class War Hulk to be pretty damn strong? I mean, think about it, lets say you start off as an ogre. That is +8 strength (Or 10) and then you hit this class, which gives an additional +20 strength. Lets say the starting str was 16, you get +10 or so for being an ogre, that is 26 str. Add 20 from the prestige class and that is, 46 str. Add in your stat points that you gain, lets says about 4, into str and that is 50 str. Add in your gear, lets says about +10 str and bam, your at 60 str. Lemme just say, you don't want to get hit by that. And the fact that he gains "Great Swing" that can target 3 separate enemies, then add in cleave. Slaughter.
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jun 2004 : 01:11:24
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| It is-remember, it's supposed to turn the tide of battle single handedly(and with good reason). It's definitely unbalanced for PC use, but when used capably by a DM, in the right circumstance, it's fine. I relegate it to my toolbox only, and use it sparingly. It does make for a great giant foe, though-especially when combined with levels in hulking hurler. |
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Tezail
Acolyte
7 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jun 2004 : 01:32:37
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Of course. The hulk already had throwing capabilities. Add that with some hurler abilites...
Edit - Take a level in barbarian and get the ability of rage... even though is only 1 a day, add that to what you have already... |
Edited by - Tezail on 06 Jun 2004 01:35:59 |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jun 2004 : 01:40:01
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Originally posted by Tezail
Of course. The hulk already had throwing capabilities. Add that with some hurler abilites...
Edit - Take a level in barbarian and get the ability of rage... even though is only 1 a day, add that to what you have already...
Yes, but let us not scare off the players, now... |
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Yoshimo
Seeker
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Posted - 06 Jun 2004 : 01:41:02
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Kinda makes you think about the cave troll in the Lord of the Rings, don't it? I mean, they took him down, but if Legolas, Gimli, and Aragorn were transfered to Forgotten Realms terms, they'd be like, what? Level 30 veterans or something? So, that cave troll WAS pretty strong. Rage or not. *SHIVERS* |
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Edited by - Yoshimo on 06 Jun 2004 01:43:05 |
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Tezail
Acolyte
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Posted - 06 Jun 2004 : 02:51:15
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jun 2004 : 03:03:26
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Originally posted by Tezail
Does anyone find the prestige class War Hulk to be pretty damn strong?
What tome has this prestige class? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jun 2004 : 03:25:31
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
What tome has this prestige class?
I'm wanting to know that, meself.  |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jun 2004 : 03:26:50
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I'm wanting to know that, meself.
I'm not alone. Bless you Wooly. 
For a moment, it sounded like something I saw in Eberyawn's Table of Contents. |
Edited by - SiriusBlack on 06 Jun 2004 03:28:25 |
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Sarta
Senior Scribe
USA
505 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jun 2004 : 03:41:38
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It's from the Miniature's Handbook, one of the few TSR books for 3.0 & 3.5 I don't own. It just didn't look like it had anything to offer me for my own games.
Which is sad, because I've always been a fan of Jonathan Tweet's work, following him from articles on Runequest in Hero Magazine in the 80's, through Ars Magica, Over the Edge, and even Everway.
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Edited by - Sarta on 06 Jun 2004 03:44:14 |
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Tezail
Acolyte
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Posted - 06 Jun 2004 : 04:42:33
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Yes it is. And at each level, the war hulk gains a bonus +2 str
Sarta, I would only have bought the book if I was interested in minatures... It is a friends of mine |
Edited by - Tezail on 06 Jun 2004 04:45:30 |
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Capn Charlie
Senior Scribe
USA
418 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jun 2004 : 20:27:50
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While at first glance warhulk seems overpowered, at second glance it still is. But not that much.
I have been toying around with a +x ecl/y levels thing. I mean, my players are likely never to use the thing(and nor would I be likely to allow them!), but it just doesn't seem fair to turn around and give full acces to their enemies.
I am thinking that about +1 ecl per 3 levels is about right. And just think of the horrible abuses of this class by something with frenzied berserker levels. With rage and frenzy added on, it goes up to 60 strength. Add on the improved power attack as well, and you have something that is just so horrific as to give players deep psychosis for years to come. |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jun 2004 : 05:17:26
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jun 2004 : 05:53:34
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Originally posted by Bookwyrm
Anyone ever notice how WotC never has anything like a "Master Diplomat" PrC?
Well, duh. That kind of thing would encourage role-playing... And you know that WotC doesn't want that!  |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jun 2004 : 06:03:42
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Originally posted by Bookwyrm
Anyone ever notice how WotC never has anything like a "Master Diplomat" PrC?
Yep, not the WOTC style. Now, there was a D20 product,Dynasties & Demagogues that had such PrC. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jun 2004 : 07:48:19
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One thing I have to wonder about with the current direction of WotC...
I seem to recall that with 3E, they(WotC) got Gary Gygax back aboard.
I recall seeing an ad for some game Gygax was hawking, years back. One of the things in the ad was a specific reference to role-playing being "needless yakking."
Now, I've not frequented the forums where Gygax hangs out, and I really don't know much about him or his current ties to WotC. But now that I've suddenly recalled those two points, and then I think of the current direction Wizards seems to be going in, I have to wonder... |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jun 2004 : 09:39:35
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Originally posted by The Sage
...And we seem to be getting slightly off-topic. Now please, you wouldn't all be trying to take advantage of Alaundo's absence would you?...
Oh, if you think this is bad, don't look at some of the other scrolls... |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Tethtoril
Seeker
95 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jun 2004 : 14:56:39
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*sigh* Yes it is needlessly off-topic. I was gone for the better part of the last day and a half as well.
Back to the War Hulk please.
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jun 2004 : 16:41:17
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Yes. I think the War Hulk is good as it is now. It makes for powerful giants and ogres, but can you say "dominate"? these things have such a low Will save that it essentially becomes a wrestling match between opposing mages to control the thing rather than an all-out slug fest from the nasty little ogre...  |
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Tezail
Acolyte
7 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jun 2004 : 17:05:20
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| Iron Will and some other things can increase this, as well as other levels in different classes. And what would a wizard do if this thing charged it during its turn. |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jun 2004 : 18:47:38
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Originally posted by Tezail
Iron Will and some other things can increase this, as well as other levels in different classes. And what would a wizard do if this thing charged it during its turn.
Fly up and rain death on it? |
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Tezail
Acolyte
7 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jun 2004 : 19:42:04
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Perhaps, but if the hulk hit the wizard, the wizard would get flatten.
Edit - Hulk is more of a character vs large groups of smaller melee enemies |
Edited by - Tezail on 07 Jun 2004 20:02:40 |
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. It's a good thing I've been away these last two days otherwise these trends may have continued...