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Dargoth
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 Posted - 27 May 2004 : 06:07:56
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Was just rumaging through some of my old Dragon mags and found an article in issue 302 called "The Tainted" basicly the article details a system where your tempted by a fiend who offers you different powers depending on the Fiend basicly its a variable PRC that turns a character into a half fiend but the powers they get are different.
In effect you could use the article to create Half Fiend templates that where different from each other.
For example A Half fiend that had an Erinyes as a Parent would have a template that gave the base creature
Cast Charm person once per day
Cast Suggestion 3 times per day
Wings that allow speed of 50 Feet and Averag maneuverablity
At will animate rope
+4 To Charisma
Charm Monster 5 times a day
What + to CR would you give it? Would it be in the same field as the Generic Half Fiend Template?
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 27 May 2004 : 15:12:22
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Ah yes... I remember this article. I don't have the issue with me at the moment, but I recall being interested in using the template/PrC in my PS games.
I put it aside for a time, hoping to develop some ideas later... Obviously I had forgotten about it. I'll look it up now though, I may be able to help...
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The Sage
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Posted - 27 May 2004 : 15:14:52
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Actually, if I'm remembering correctly, it was suggested on the WotC Message Boards at the time the article was published that the CR for 'The Tainted' was generally assume to be the same as the generic Half Fiend template. I did save that thread, so I'll try and locate it in my archives...
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Dargoth
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Posted - 27 May 2004 : 15:37:39
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Originally posted by The Sage
Actually, if I'm remembering correctly, it was suggested on the WotC Message Boards at the time the article was published that the CR for 'The Tainted' was generally assume to be the same as the generic Half Fiend template. I did save that thread, so I'll try and locate it in my archives...
hmm good
The Half Fiend template has always struck as being rather silly
Why would Half fiend with a Vrock as a parent be the same as one that had a Pit Fiend as a Parent? Or a Half Fiend with an Erinyes parent be the same as one with a Balor?
Its a pity they abolihed the Cambions and Alu Fiends |
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The Sage
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Posted - 28 May 2004 : 08:16:03
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I was right, the CR for the 'Tainted' is assumed to be the same as CR presented for the 'Half-Fiend' template.
Dargoth, Alu Fiends weren't abolished. What are you referring to?
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Dargoth
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Posted - 28 May 2004 : 09:09:36
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quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
I was right, the CR for the 'Tainted' is assumed to be the same as CR presented for the 'Half-Fiend' template.
Dargoth, Alu Fiends weren't abolished. What are you referring to?
Alu Fiends and Cambions have been rolled into the Generic Half Fiend template, they no longer exist as seperate creatures |
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The Sage
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Posted - 28 May 2004 : 13:59:19
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...in the core D&D rules only, you mean.
There are third-party sourcebooks which have detailed both the Alu Fiend and Cambion...wonderful conversions from the glory days of 2e. I'll track down the specific names of the books I've seen them in.
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Dargoth
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Posted - 28 May 2004 : 14:13:24
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quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
...in the core D&D rules only, you mean.
There are third-party sourcebooks which have detailed both the Alu Fiend and Cambion...wonderful conversions from the glory days of 2e. I'll track down the specific names of the books I've seen them in.
As where talking about WOTC, Im obviously refering to the "official line"
The Alu FIend and Cambion are in Tome of Horrors by Necromancer games |
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Dargoth
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Posted - 11 Jun 2004 : 03:36:06
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I posted my orgional suggestion in the Ask Rich Baker thread over at WOTC and got the following response
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Rich Baker said
There's a tremendous amount of design space there, which really cries out for exploration at some point. However, we're not going to get to it anytime soon. Feel free to tinker with such notions for your own campaign (and have fun wrestling with the question of why someone who's part-balor isn't innately six times more powerful than someone who's part-dretch).
To which Ive responded with
"It would be great material for a Races of Planetouched source book
While Im not a big fan of the Races of X books (Ive already got Races of Faerun) , I would buy a races of Planetouched Source book if WOTC did one
PS
Regarding the Balor
An easy way to expalin it would be to say that the family tree that breed with the Balor has far more Half Fiends in it than the Family tree that bred with the Dretch
For example
Human Breeds with Balor
1st Generation: Half Fiend child that breeds with Human
2nd Generation: Half Fiend child that breeds with Human
3rd Generation: Half Fiend child that breeds with Human
4th Generation: Half Fiend child that breeds with Human
5th Generation: Tiefling Child that Breeds with Human
6th Generation: Human Child............
Human Breeds with Dretch
1st generation: Half Fiend child that breeds with Human
2nd Generation: Tiefling Child that breeds with Human
3rd Generation: Human child....
Basicly the stronger the Outsider the longer it takes to breed out the Outsiders blood" |
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