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Galuf the Dwarf
Senior Scribe
USA
622 Posts |
 Posted - 26 Aug 2024 : 13:42:27
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Figured I'd try another spin on my anti-undead thread.
1) Paladin (likely of Bahamut) with levels in Dragonslayer (Draconomicon) or (if they have a metallic dragon cohort) Dragonrider.
2) Barbarian with levels in Dragonslayer.
3) Ranger with levels in Dragonstalker (same sourcebook as Dragonslayer), with Dragons as their primary Favored Enemy.
4) Cleric of some good-aligned deity, likely one with the Protection domain. Spell roster replete with spells to mitigate damage, namely from a dragon's breath weapon (fire, cold, acid, electricity, etc.) and healing. Might also want to invest in Remove Fear for a dragon's Frightful Presence.
5) Rogue, possibly with levels in either Dragonstalker or Hordestealer (namely if they need to steal from the dragon beforehand). Sneak Attack might come in handy to help whittle the monster down.
6) Wizard or Sorcerer with a lot of spells meant to hinder the capabilities of Dragons (namely from the previously mentioned sourcebook) including Assay Spell Resistance (Spell Compendium).
Does that sound good?
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LordofBones
Master of Realmslore
1536 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2024 : 07:14:04
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| Any sorcerer or wizard with shivering touch. |
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Galuf the Dwarf
Senior Scribe
USA
622 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2024 : 18:10:20
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quote:
Originally posted by LordofBones
Any sorcerer or wizard with shivering touch.
Huh. What makes you say that spell? 
Here were some I had in mind:
2nd
- Earthbind
- Scale Weakening
3rd
- Suppress Breath Weapon
4th
- Antidragon Aura
- Lower Spell Resistance
5th
- Contingent Energy Resistance
- Vulnerability
6th
- Aura of Evasion
7th
- Antimagic Ray
- Energy Immunity
- Hide from Dragons |
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Delnyn
Senior Scribe
USA
958 Posts |
Posted - 28 Aug 2024 : 16:46:35
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| For prestige classes I would recommend platinum knight and vassal of Bahamut. Both would work with cleric and paladin base classes. |
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Galuf the Dwarf
Senior Scribe
USA
622 Posts |
Posted - 28 Aug 2024 : 20:13:59
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quote:
Originally posted by Delnyn
For prestige classes I would recommend platinum knight and vassal of Bahamut. Both would work with cleric and paladin base classes.
Yeah, I was thinking those in the back of my mind. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
7989 Posts |
Posted - 29 Aug 2024 : 00:10:37
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| What do you do when that hyperspecialized adventuring party encounters a giant, a vampire, a lich, or an orcish army? |
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Delnyn
Senior Scribe
USA
958 Posts |
Posted - 29 Aug 2024 : 10:18:43
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quote:
Originally posted by Ayrik
What do you do when that hyperspecialized adventuring party encounters a giant, a vampire, a lich, or an orcish army?
This is why Session Zero is critical. |
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Galuf the Dwarf
Senior Scribe
USA
622 Posts |
Posted - 29 Aug 2024 : 18:14:21
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quote:
Originally posted by Ayrik
What do you do when that hyperspecialized adventuring party encounters a giant, a vampire, a lich, or an orcish army?
Do their best, I'd argue. Don't forget, these scenarios I'm asking about are for campaigns with special focus on those types of enemies/monsters in the title. |
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Galuf the Dwarf
Senior Scribe
USA
622 Posts |
Posted - 29 Aug 2024 : 18:16:46
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quote:
Originally posted by Delnyn
This is why Session Zero is critical.
Care to elaborate what that means?  |
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LordofBones
Master of Realmslore
1536 Posts |
Posted - 29 Aug 2024 : 20:42:46
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quote:
Originally posted by Galuf the Dwarf
quote:
Originally posted by LordofBones
Any sorcerer or wizard with shivering touch.
Huh. What makes you say that spell?
Here were some I had in mind:
2nd
- Earthbind
- Scale Weakening
3rd
- Suppress Breath Weapon
4th
- Antidragon Aura
- Lower Spell Resistance
5th
- Contingent Energy Resistance
- Vulnerability
6th
- Aura of Evasion
7th
- Antimagic Ray
- Energy Immunity
- Hide from Dragons
3d6 Dex damage with no save. |
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varyar
Learned Scribe
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Athreeren
Learned Scribe
144 Posts |
Posted - 30 Aug 2024 : 09:18:09
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quote:
Originally posted by Delnyn
quote:
Originally posted by Ayrik
What do you do when that hyperspecialized adventuring party encounters a giant, a vampire, a lich, or an orcish army?
This is why Session Zero is critical.
Yes, but even accounting for the fact the players know this is a campaign where they will be facing dragons, and the characters have gathered with the goal of fighting dragons, that doesn't mean they will have to only face that. Even if the first dragons didn't have underlings, after a few kills, the other dragons in the area will become wise to this ultra-specialised dragon killing band and try to come up with adapted defences. And even without that, dragons are geopolitical forces in their own right, and any upset in the balance of forces is bound to trigger consequences: an orc tribe who was kept in check by the dragon eating its members will start growing, an evil king will be able to invade their neighbour once there is no dragon in their way, or more simply, if the party is gathering dragon hoards, thieves are going to be interested in taking it from them. If all the adventurers know how to do is kill dragons, any of these scenarios could be a problem for them. |
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Delnyn
Senior Scribe
USA
958 Posts |
Posted - 30 Aug 2024 : 13:34:09
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quote:
Originally posted by Athreeren
quote:
Originally posted by Delnyn
quote:
Originally posted by Ayrik
What do you do when that hyperspecialized adventuring party encounters a giant, a vampire, a lich, or an orcish army?
This is why Session Zero is critical.
Yes, but even accounting for the fact the players know this is a campaign [...]
Athereen, your material I covered with ellipses is part and parcel of issues DMs and players hash out during Session Zero. All you said is correct. I would replace the conjunction "but" with "and make sure". |
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Galuf the Dwarf
Senior Scribe
USA
622 Posts |
Posted - 31 Aug 2024 : 00:10:47
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quote:
Originally posted by varyar
It's a session where the DM and players talk about what they're looking for in the game, what might make them uncomfortable, etc. Basically a pre-chargen conversation to make sure everyone is on the same page before any dice are rolled.
Sounds excellent. Don't recall having such in the few play sessions I've had, but I'd love to if possible.  |
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Galuf the Dwarf
Senior Scribe
USA
622 Posts |
Posted - 31 Aug 2024 : 00:18:43
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quote:
Originally posted by LordofBones
3d6 Dex damage with no save.
My main discrepancies?
1) Spell Resistance still comes into play, which Dragons often have in spades.
2) White Dragons are immune to it.
3) In order to use it, you have to come within touching distance to land the spell (barring anything that allows you to somehow deliver it form a distance). Depending on the size and other factors of said dragon, what's to keep them from getting an attack of opportunity and turning said arcane spellcaster into a corpse on their turn? |
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Edited by - Galuf the Dwarf on 31 Aug 2024 18:50:53 |
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LordofBones
Master of Realmslore
1536 Posts |
Posted - 31 Aug 2024 : 16:30:19
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quote:
Originally posted by Galuf the Dwarf
quote:
Originally posted by LordofBones
3d6 Dex damage with no save.
My main discrepancies?
1) Spell Resistance still comes into play, which Dragons often have in spades.
2) White Dragons are immune to it.
3) In order to use it, you have to come within touching distance to land the spell (barring anything that allows you to somehow deliver it form a distance. Depending on the size and other factors of said dragon, what's to keep them from getting an attack of opportunity and turning said arcane spellcaster into a corpse on their turn?
1. There are, like, a zillion ways to beat SR.
2. Piercing Cold + Repeat Spell/Split Ray/Twin Spell.
3. Reach Spell/spectral hand/greater spectral hand. |
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Delnyn
Senior Scribe
USA
958 Posts |
Posted - 03 Sep 2024 : 19:49:45
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| To piggyback on LoB's suggestion, I would recommend arcane spellcasters in 3.5ed get the Arcane Mastery feat. That way, they can just take 10 on spell penetration checks. |
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Galuf the Dwarf
Senior Scribe
USA
622 Posts |
Posted - 03 Sep 2024 : 20:33:53
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quote:
Originally posted by Delnyn
To piggyback on LoB's suggestion, I would recommend arcane spellcasters in 3.5ed get the Arcane Mastery feat. That way, they can just take 10 on spell penetration checks.
Plausible. |
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Ideal 3.5 Edition Anti-Evil Dragon Party?
