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Originally posted by Outlaw Pope

I have just always felt that most of this stuff already existed - at least in the context of FR's product line. A lot of villainous individuals had more human or flawed ideas. Many of the monsters have implied opportunities to "leave the dark" but are just bound up in their societies. There is an Orog (orc) paladin /of Torm/ in the court and company of Queen Zaranda, there is an entire goddess who exists solely as the metaphysical hope for Drow escaping their dark gods, there are deities like Ilmater who encourage compassion for anyone and anything to the point even many monsterous races leave those priests alone because they know they will get free healing from them. An entire subrace of Orcs who were raised and molded by Eldath. A LN priest of Oghma in Skullport who is a Mindflayer.

I have always seen the "alignment" things are general guidelines of how these things usually are but as far as mortals are concerned they have entire free form and will to change or be different. But the battle of metaphysical alignment made literal in the mortal realm sees Chaos, Law, Good, and Evil smashing into each other and thus the world is very much a mess. Which is why there is high adventure.

But that is probably because DnD pre 3e had actual writers and newer products were made by smaller and smaller teams of constantly shifting people. You eventually get people who do not even have anything to do with DnD and especially subsettings like the realms who do not care or even know about how this stuff existed and you just get someone on staff either wanting to simplify stuff to appeal to "current socio-political matters" as to make stuff clean or some guy in corporate who thinks they can use it to generate controversy for free advertisement while "looking good".

But yeah, I do not think it's a "new concept" - its always been there without big red letters or genericized rewrites that sanitize any conflict.

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Originally posted by Outlaw Pope

wanting to simplify stuff to appeal to "current socio-political matters" as to make stuff clean or some guy in corporate who thinks they can use it to generate controversy for free advertisement while "looking good".

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Originally posted by TBeholder

Then there's this: https://archive.is/GLUkZ
But hey, continue to praise the retroactive wisdom of creatures from tumblr. At this point, why not?

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Originally posted by Kentinal

So it appears, humans and elves, two different species can not have children together. That will take out a lot of lore history.

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Originally posted by deserk

WotC just keep getting more and more ridiculous. There is nothing wrong with half-elves and half-orcs. What's far more nefarious is implying their existence is problematic.

And let's be honest, WotC is really just doing this as a smokescreen in an attempt to appease the Twitter mob, and to control the conversation, rather than have people talking about their utterly greed-driven catastrophe with the OGL.

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However, despite their removal from the Player’s Handbook, Crawford assured players that “If someone wants to play those character options, they’ll still be in D&D Beyond [and] they’ll still be in the 2014 Player’s Handbook”
It should be noted that though players may still be allowed to create Half- characters, thanks to their removal from the core materials, such characters can not be used in an officially-sanctioned event.)

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Originally posted by Kentinal

So what descriptive will these people be called? Human with other species blood line/heritage or called just human? What of elf and orc parents, will they be called human as well?

From the link: https://archive.is/GLUkZ#selection-889.0-893.204

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However, despite their removal from the Player’s Handbook, Crawford assured players that “If someone wants to play those character options, they’ll still be in D&D Beyond [and] they’ll still be in the 2014 Player’s Handbook”
It should be noted that though players may still be allowed to create Half- characters, thanks to their removal from the core materials, such characters can not be used in an officially-sanctioned event.)

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So I guess they are banned from official games and ongoing new official lore (If any) it still leaves for me the questions of how old lore will be effected .

To Seravin, If one considers that it is reported that Russian troops are called orcs by Ukraine troops it can be very easy to see how some game material translates into the RW as a problem.

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Originally posted by Seravin

Where does this leave the inhabitants of the Yuirwood? They're distinctly half-elven as they are able to breed with eachother and produce half-elf children as a distinct species/race.

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Originally posted by Seravin

Where does this leave the inhabitants of the Yuirwood? They're distinctly half-elven as they are able to breed with eachother and produce half-elf children as a distinct species/race.

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