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questing gm
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Posted - 06 Nov 2022 :  01:51:07  Show Profile  Visit questing gm's Homepage Send questing gm a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
How the First Map of D&D's Forgotten Realms Ended Up Above a Pub

https://www.writerbenriggs.com/blog/how-the-first-map-of-dampds-forgotten-realms-ended-up-above-a-pub

Been seeing this link shared in other FR communities, but thought I should share it here in case anyone hasn't seen it.

From the same guy who wrote about how FR was sold to TSR, and author of the book Slaying Dragons.

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What would be awesome would be if someone carefully digitized the map and made it available online. I'd pay for a copy of that!

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PattPlays
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Posted - 12 Nov 2022 :  03:07:41  Show Profile  Visit PattPlays's Homepage Send PattPlays a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well I knew the map, but not the story.
I always wanted to see what's under the great glacier's taping-over. Looks like we aren't seeing that for a while, with how the map is sealed up.

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Ayrik
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Posted - 12 Nov 2022 :  14:39:45  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message  Reply with Quote
"The map truly is a magic item, one with the power to open the way into another world."

It is indeed a magical item.
It is a map of the Realms. Which updates itself to reflect changes in terrain, places, and names.
If one studies the map intently, long enough to learn names of places inscribed therein, a gate is opened to one of those places.
The map then vanishes and reappears in some random place on a random world, sometimes in a tavern or other public place, sometimes hidden away among other treasures in a secret place.
The gate to a place in the Realms remains open indefinitely, it cannot be closed until one travels through it or destroys the map. Be warned that mysterious benefactors have placed powerful magics on the map to scry its location and to make it surprisingly resistant to damage.
The magical map can be sold to a collector for 5,000 gold pieces.

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by Ayrik

"The map truly is a magic item, one with the power to open the way into another world."

It is indeed a magical item.
It is a map of the Realms. Which updates itself to reflect changes in terrain, places, and names.
If one studies the map intently, long enough to learn names of places inscribed therein, a gate is opened to one of those places.
The map then vanishes and reappears in some random place on a random world, sometimes in a tavern or other public place, sometimes hidden away among other treasures in a secret place.
The gate to a place in the Realms remains open indefinitely, it cannot be closed until one travels through it or destroys the map. Be warned that mysterious benefactors have placed powerful magics on the map to scry its location and to make it surprisingly resistant to damage.
The magical map can be sold to a collector for 5,000 gold pieces.



5000 seems cheap for a door to anywhere.

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Ayrik
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Posted - 12 Nov 2022 :  17:29:59  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
5000 seems cheap for a door to anywhere.


I agree. 5000 seems too cheap.
Even if it were a single-use item.
Even if dangerous people/creatures/things in the Realms might use the open gate to visit the map reader's location.

But according to the article, 5000 has always been the going price.

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by Ayrik

quote:
5000 seems cheap for a door to anywhere.


I agree. 5000 seems too cheap.
Even if it were a single-use item.
Even if dangerous people/creatures/things in the Realms might use the open gate to visit the map reader's location.

But according to the article, 5000 has always been the going price.



I'd make it so that once someone went through, the portal was only open for one round, and that it also would put the terminus -- at best -- within a one-mile radius of the point on the map. Maybe even a five-mile radius. So no assassins mapping into someone's bedchamber -- at least, not the one they're targeting.

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George Krashos
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Posted - 13 Nov 2022 :  04:10:05  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by PattPlays

Well I knew the map, but not the story.
I always wanted to see what's under the great glacier's taping-over. Looks like we aren't seeing that for a while, with how the map is sealed up.



I have a copy of Ed's hand drawn map of the lands north of Impiltur before the addition of the Bloodstone Lands. It's just glacier, although Eds map describes it as the "Great Ice Desert".

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Azar
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A map of that age (and cultural importance!) in a nest of inebriation? Two feet of bulletproof glass, at the minimum.

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Demzer
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Posted - 14 Nov 2022 :  17:47:21  Show Profile Send Demzer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I did not know this particular story, thanks for sharing!
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AJA
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Posted - 19 Nov 2022 :  20:59:10  Show Profile Send AJA a Private Message  Reply with Quote

Not sure where to put this, didn't want to open a new topic for it;

Ed was on Lord Gosumba's Twitch channel last night (Nov 18) discussing maps and he brought a bunch of his own originals – including for the first time his map of the original Moonshaes (VOD HERE, Moonshaes about ~50min. in). I managed a few screenshots:

https://i.imgur.com/6KEMoQj.png
https://i.imgur.com/7jWidoP.png
https://i.imgur.com/KfZsMfO.png

It was a good show, Ed had a lot of interesting tangents. The Great Glacier may remain unknown, but now we finally have the Moonshaes un-taped! (also, someone on Twitter should @theedverse and ask him if he's willing to put up a better copy than these screengrabs)


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Athreeren
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Posted - 21 Nov 2022 :  06:16:29  Show Profile Send Athreeren a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by AJA


Not sure where to put this, didn't want to open a new topic for it;

Ed was on Lord Gosumba's Twitch channel last night (Nov 18) discussing maps and he brought a bunch of his own originals – including for the first time his map of the original Moonshaes (VOD HERE, Moonshaes about ~50min. in). I managed a few screenshots:

https://i.imgur.com/6KEMoQj.png
https://i.imgur.com/7jWidoP.png
https://i.imgur.com/KfZsMfO.png

It was a good show, Ed had a lot of interesting tangents. The Great Glacier may remain unknown, but now we finally have the Moonshaes un-taped! (also, someone on Twitter should @theedverse and ask him if he's willing to put up a better copy than these screengrabs)





The Moonshae map was far from the only interesting one he showed. Thanks for the recommendation!
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PattPlays
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Posted - 22 Nov 2022 :  02:38:28  Show Profile  Visit PattPlays's Homepage Send PattPlays a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by AJA


Not sure where to put this, didn't want to open a new topic for it;

Ed was on Lord Gosumba's Twitch channel last night (Nov 18) discussing maps and he brought a bunch of his own originals – including for the first time his map of the original Moonshaes (VOD HERE, Moonshaes about ~50min. in). I managed a few screenshots:

https://i.imgur.com/6KEMoQj.png
https://i.imgur.com/7jWidoP.png
https://i.imgur.com/KfZsMfO.png

It was a good show, Ed had a lot of interesting tangents. The Great Glacier may remain unknown, but now we finally have the Moonshaes un-taped! (also, someone on Twitter should @theedverse and ask him if he's willing to put up a better copy than these screengrabs)





By god they're shaped like a crescent. Moon-Shaped Isles..
I told you- this has Lurue-conspiracy written all over it! Earthmother be like "Hi mom" to Selune.

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