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maransreth
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Posted - 11 Jun 2022 :  02:08:13  Show Profile Send maransreth a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic

Howdy all,
If you do not know what I am referencing - https://twitter.com/TheEdVerse/status/1534014287068467201?fbclid=IwAR25b_dN4vAOjWyf8OGGhZkkOJGFEU5sNZLbb3AJkOC0AaXHwZZK_hcgT2Y

My reflection on this is ".. mightier Realms mages...".

What do you think Realms might refer to? Faerun, Toril, Faerun & Kara-Tur, etc.

LordofBones
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Posted - 11 Jun 2022 :  05:11:21  Show Profile Send LordofBones a Private Message  Reply with Quote
...The Forgotten Realms, as a whole. It doesn't even matter, because there are over twenty spellcasters in Faerun alone that would twist Gromph into a pretzel.
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Storyteller Hero
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Posted - 11 Jun 2022 :  08:42:24  Show Profile  Visit Storyteller Hero's Homepage Send Storyteller Hero a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Elminster mentions such a mage (Shaaan) in a Wizards Three article, and encounters her in the novel Spellstorm.

Warning - if you haven't read the novel, the page contains a spoiler you might want to avoid.

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Shaaan?so=search






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Edited by - Storyteller Hero on 11 Jun 2022 08:44:26
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 11 Jun 2022 :  16:04:44  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Storyteller Hero

Elminster mentions such a mage (Shaaan) in a Wizards Three article, and encounters her in the novel Spellstorm.

Warning - if you haven't read the novel, the page contains a spoiler you might want to avoid.

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Shaaan?so=search




Krash did a write-up of Shaaan in Volume IV of the Candlekeep Compendium.

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Zeromaru X
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Posted - 12 Jun 2022 :  00:13:21  Show Profile Send Zeromaru X a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Nezram of Mulhorand strikes me as one of the 20.

Instead of seeking change, you prefer a void, merciless abyss of a world...
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LordofBones
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Posted - 12 Jun 2022 :  01:12:44  Show Profile Send LordofBones a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Offhand;

Larloch, Aumvor, Szass Tam, Zalathorm, Rhangaun, Kartak Spellseer, Shangalar, Druxus Rhym, Nevron, Ioulaum, the Simbul, Alustriel, Laeral, Elminster, Shoon VII, Telamont, Frostrune Rakesk, Khelben, Jaylnfein, Nexus, Halaster, Marune the Masked, Maskar Wands, the Srinshee, Rhaugilath, that one advanced red dragon in Power of Faerun with epic HD.

That's 26, and we haven't even left Faerun.

Edited by - LordofBones on 12 Jun 2022 01:13:45
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jordanz
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Posted - 13 Jun 2022 :  03:49:00  Show Profile  Visit jordanz's Homepage Send jordanz a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LordofBones

Offhand;

Larloch, Aumvor, Szass Tam, Zalathorm, Rhangaun, Kartak Spellseer, Shangalar, Druxus Rhym, Nevron, Ioulaum, the Simbul, Alustriel, Laeral, Elminster, Shoon VII, Telamont, Frostrune Rakesk, Khelben, Jaylnfein, Nexus, Halaster, Marune the Masked, Maskar Wands, the Srinshee, Rhaugilath, that one advanced red dragon in Power of Faerun with epic HD.

That's 26, and we haven't even left Faerun.


Good list but why Nevron?
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LordofBones
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Posted - 13 Jun 2022 :  10:14:28  Show Profile Send LordofBones a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Nevron is 24th level.
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The Masked Mage
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I really hated how EG decided to reintroduce these Mages in the novel and then wrap it up as he did. I can't stand when old, available NPC characters are eliminated. Makes it so I have to think of some ridiculous story to un-kill them :P

quote:
Originally posted by Storyteller Hero

Elminster mentions such a mage (Shaaan) in a Wizards Three article, and encounters her in the novel Spellstorm.

Warning - if you haven't read the novel, the page contains a spoiler you might want to avoid.

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Shaaan?so=search


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The Masked Mage
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I figure, there is probably a mage of at least 20th level in every major region of the Realms. This is why it is rare for them to conquer large areas - they are not allied and they balance each other out and settle down, each in his or her own little corner.

These wizards have pretty much all discovered some way to not die. Whether its longevity or whatever.

More powerful wizards - around 30th level - are much rarer.
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 13 Jun 2022 :  12:41:56  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Masked Mage

I really hated how EG decided to reintroduce these Mages in the novel and then wrap it up as he did. I can't stand when old, available NPC characters are eliminated. Makes it so I have to think of some ridiculous story to un-kill them :P

quote:
Originally posted by Storyteller Hero

Elminster mentions such a mage (Shaaan) in a Wizards Three article, and encounters her in the novel Spellstorm.

Warning - if you haven't read the novel, the page contains a spoiler you might want to avoid.

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Shaaan?so=search






It likely wasn't his call. WotC decides what goes into novels, and they decide who lives and who dies.

Part of everything they've done since 4E came out was "some people think high-level NPCs are an issue, so rather than shifting our near-constant coverage of them, we'll just kill them all off."

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Delnyn
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Posted - 14 Jun 2022 :  22:23:09  Show Profile Send Delnyn a Private Message  Reply with Quote
We have not even counted the 59+ lives other than Rhaugilath of Orbedal that are in Larloch's Spellweb. There is also Arthindol the Terraseer, presumably his peers when its their turn to wander Faerun. And 2e Lady Yhelbruna (28th level) also comes to mind.
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The Masked Mage
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quote:
Originally posted by Delnyn

We have not even counted the 59+ lives other than Rhaugilath of Orbedal that are in Larloch's Spellweb. There is also Arthindol the Terraseer, presumably his peers when its their turn to wander Faerun. And 2e Lady Yhelbruna (28th level) also comes to mind.




I think both have also been killed off. One in an adventure and one as an off-hand mention in a novel.
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mastermustard
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Posted - 10 Jul 2022 :  01:17:41  Show Profile Send mastermustard a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Masked Mage

I really hated how EG decided to reintroduce these Mages in the novel and then wrap it up as he did. I can't stand when old, available NPC characters are eliminated. Makes it so I have to think of some ridiculous story to un-kill them :P

quote:
Originally posted by Storyteller Hero

Elminster mentions such a mage (Shaaan) in a Wizards Three article, and encounters her in the novel Spellstorm.

Warning - if you haven't read the novel, the page contains a spoiler you might want to avoid.

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Shaaan?so=search






Yep, it was around this point that I lost all interest in 5e and WOTC's butchery, and began thinking of ways to 'end' the Realms at the end of 4e. The headcanon I came up with was that Larloch actually completed his dread rings and destroyed the universe, and all the events that came after are just the dreams of a mad lich.
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Delnyn
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Posted - 10 Jul 2022 :  09:35:53  Show Profile Send Delnyn a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mastermustard
Yep, it was around this point that I lost all interest in 5e and WOTC's butchery, and began thinking of ways to 'end' the Realms at the end of 4e. The headcanon I came up with was that Larloch actually completed his dread rings and destroyed the universe, and all the events that came after are just the dreams of a mad lich.



Isn't that how the show Dallas ended?
Minor nit: Szass Tam created the dread rings, not Larloch.
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mastermustard
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Posted - 22 Jul 2022 :  09:14:22  Show Profile Send mastermustard a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Delnyn

quote:
Originally posted by mastermustard
Yep, it was around this point that I lost all interest in 5e and WOTC's butchery, and began thinking of ways to 'end' the Realms at the end of 4e. The headcanon I came up with was that Larloch actually completed his dread rings and destroyed the universe, and all the events that came after are just the dreams of a mad lich.



Isn't that how the show Dallas ended?
Minor nit: Szass Tam created the dread rings, not Larloch.


My mistake. It's been so long since I've interacted with Realmslore that I'm forgetting which lich is which.
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