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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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 Posted - 13 Oct 2021 : 02:36:08
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Khelben has elven blood, was raised among elves, trained by elves, was a Chosen of Mystra, and obviously had the favor of the Seldarine. I'm not going to quibble about him being able to use High Magic.
Besides, a lot of High Magic was cooperative and didn't require all the participants to be elven.
Yes Yes, and Ulair "said" he can, and so that makes changing the rules so everyone can do it fine. Its the whole thought process of 3rd E. Take everything that makes playing an elf, even with its drawbacks and all, special. Then, let anyone do it so there is no good reason to play an elf anymore. Same goes for humans. Then, chuck the whole thing and make every race a character race because the half dozen or so that worked wonderfully for the previous 30 years clearly did a bad job. 
As for "cooperative" magic, I think you mean the part where it said that non-elves could stand on the outside of the outer circle and be drained of life to pay for the magic - even though they were not actually casting them you could bleed em and tell them they were helping :P. Kind of a huge leap to go from that to being the central caster to a what was basically a huge ritual of myriad.
One exception, who was already a unique NPC with abilities possessed by maybe a dozen people in the entire setting, is not "changing the rules so everyone can do it". |
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
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Posted - 28 Oct 2021 : 03:02:09
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Jandar Sunstar
To be honest, my headcanon is that he was destroyed by the dawn at the end of Vampire of the Mists. Perhaps it could have been painless, as a final gift from Lathander.
I'm not sure he was destroyed. The last sentence was, "the light shone down on him like a benediction". The use of that word suggests a blessing, not destruction.
I was furious about what they did to him in Descent. Way to ruin a great character.
Many of the characters may be back, but I'm still going to list some I would like to see:
Xxorsh, Phaeruan, Ryld, I'd say Elkantar, but that is going to depend on Qilue's current...state.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 28 Oct 2021 : 03:36:55
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Jandar Sunstar
To be honest, my headcanon is that he was destroyed by the dawn at the end of Vampire of the Mists. Perhaps it could have been painless, as a final gift from Lathander.
I'm not sure he was destroyed. The last sentence was, "the light shone down on him like a benediction". The use of that word suggests a blessing, not destruction.
Jander was quite concerned that he would become a crimson mist, if destroyed.
Restoring him to life would be the best possible ending, but that's not the kind of thing that happens in Ravenloft.
And remember, even though he was not evil, Ravenloft was still punishing him. In the Realms, Jander lived mostly off of animals, very rarely taking blood from a person. In Barovia, though, animal blood made him nauseous. And gardening was a passion of his, but he was cursed by the Dark Powers so that if he touched plants with his bare hands, it would kill them.
So even if Lathander wanted to restore Jander to life, I don't think the Dark Powers would have allowed it.
Even if restored to life, he'd still be trapped in a land ruled by a vengeful vampire who was going to come after him, sooner or later.
Thus, my headcanon is a painless permanent destruction. It ends his tortured existence, which he was actively seeking to do; it doesn't have him coming back as something worse, which he feared; and of the possible rewards, it's likely the least objectionable one to the Dark Powers.
As I see it, such a fate would be a blessing, all things considered. |
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CorellonsDevout
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Posted - 29 Oct 2021 : 00:19:28
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| I'm not saying he came back, but I don't think he was permanently destroyed. Maybe Lathander took him in, idk (I know there is debate on whether vampires have souls, but I don't think he was destroyed in the sense he ceased to exist). I guess you could argue that his destruction would be a blessing, (and thus a "benediction), but the last sentence doesn't lend me to believe that was the case. Then again, maybe that is just my headcannon. |
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If you could resurrect a single Realms character..
