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ericlboyd
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 Posted - 12 Jul 2021 : 01:43:52
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Greetings,
Has anyone ever put together a map of the undersea kingdoms of the Trackless Sea?
Off the top of my head, likely sites include:
Kyrasti, capital of the Coral Kingdom. Located east southeast of Belintholme.
Thunderfoam, capital of Aluchambolsunvae. Located due north of Evermeet and due west of Uttersea. (Demihuman Deities, page 106. FOR8 - Pages from the Mages, page 30.)
Citadel of the Seven Seas. Located in the heart of the Mintarn archipelago. (Demihuman Deities, page 106.)
Nindrol. Located around the island of Toaridge-at-the_Sun's Setting. (Dragon #267, page 83.)
Ondroth. Located off the coast of the Dragon's Head peninsula. (Dragon #267, page 83.)
What sites am I missing?
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louis_bowwow
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Posted - 12 Jul 2021 : 05:12:45
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| There is Itzcatli, Realm of the Sea People just north of the Gulf of Cordell near Maztica. It’s a sahuagin kingdom, I think it only barely gets touched on in the Maztica boxed set. |
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Gary Dallison
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Posted - 12 Jul 2021 : 21:35:59
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Just in case you want the Sea of Swords
The Knights of the Killer Whale are an order of Sashelan crusaders dedicated to the destruction of the evil races of the sea, including ixitxachiti, koalinth, krakens, merrow, scrags, and sahuagin. The order is based in the Citadel of the Seven Seas, a great hollowed-out undersea volcanic plug encircled by the Mintarn archipelago in the Sea of Swords - Demihuman Deities - pg 129
The Legacy of Deep Death is the only temple of Myrkul established after the Time of Troubles. The temple was constructed through magic by a trio of Myrkulyte clerical liches (whose spells are believed to be granted by Cyric or Velsharoon, or who may have discovered a lich state enabling them to cast priest spells without a deity) on the sea bed of the Sea of Swords. The sea floor in a 5-mile-radius around the temple is permanently tainted by Myrkul's dying essence. The brown murk rained down from the sky after the Lord of Bones was dimension doored by Midnight away from the city of Waterdeep while in his final death throes. Myrkul's legacy is an ever-expanding horde of lacedons, sea zombies, and countless other aquatic undead horrors that prey on ships passing overhead and denizens of the deep traveling through the region. The temple itself is guarded by a monstrous undead kraken and wildly mutated sahuagin. - Faiths and Avatars pg 128 |
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ericlboyd
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sleyvas
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Posted - 13 Jul 2021 : 01:36:00
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| Not sure what you're looking into Eric, but something that's always hit me... the rockfire disaster that forced dwarves towards Maztica. It occurred beneath the ocean technically. I've often wondered if there might not be some dwarven or drow cities beneath the ocean, perhaps thriving on the heat of a lava tube even. |
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Divinity
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Posted - 13 Jul 2021 : 23:38:17
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| I wish there was more info on the seas outside the Inner Sea. I've considered mapping the depths of the rest of the seas as best I could (like I got from the Seas of Fallen Stars), but that seems like a lot of hunting individual references and guessing for most of the rest. My map only goes just west of the Moonshaes so I can't reach what's near Evermeet, but I'd love to add what's found here to my map. I think Maelstrom is the only thing listed here that I found when I peeked around for stuff. |
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ericlboyd
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Posted - 14 Jul 2021 : 03:43:21
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Originally posted by sleyvas
Not sure what you're looking into Eric, but something that's always hit me... the rockfire disaster that forced dwarves towards Maztica. It occurred beneath the ocean technically. I've often wondered if there might not be some dwarven or drow cities beneath the ocean, perhaps thriving on the heat of a lava tube even.
I suspect there is a deep N/S rift that severed the undersea tunnels. Probably somewhere between the Moonshae Isles and the Emerald Isles (including Evermeet).
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Gary Dallison
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ericlboyd
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Posted - 14 Jul 2021 : 12:46:17
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That's an interesting point about the "location" of the Coral Kingdoms, given that the novel of the same name also places Kyrasti near Belintholme.
There's some implied undersea topology / fallen kingdoms in the first Threat from the Sea novel. Perhaps that could be tied into a sprawling Coral Kingdom? |
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Gary Dallison
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ericlboyd
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Posted - 14 Jul 2021 : 14:10:37
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Just a typo. Although a ocean-spanning empire that collapsed slowly would be consistent with elven behavior elsewhere.
Also see what George and I said about the origins of at least some Trackless Sea sea elves in Havens of Miyeritar. |
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ericlboyd
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Posted - 14 Jul 2021 : 17:36:32
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Originally posted by Gary Dallison
Deepvale - an aquatic elf nation mentioned in the Coral Kingdom novel, not given a location but the presumption is that it lies around the Moonshae Isles.
I might quibble with this one. I think it's a merfolk kingdom.
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“They assumed the water would stop you. I need more secure restraint." With a tight smile, the merman gestured with his fishy tail in case Tristan missed the point. "I am Marqillor, of Deepvale," added the prisoner.”
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“Marqillor smiled wryly. "And I am the Crown Prince of Deepvale," he concluded.”
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“Deepvale is not terribly distant [from Kyrasti], though admittedly it would be a costly venture to send our army against Kyrasti.”
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Regarding the Coral Kingdom, it is noted as existing 1000 miles south of Corwell, which puts it near Calimshan / Chult (George theorised tidal bore gates open periodically to allow scrags from the south to come through and impose their rule on the sahuagin.
I might also quibble with this one.
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“A legendary place, the Coral Kingdom-at least, so I had always thought," announced Tavish, the most well traveled of them all.
"Where is it?" demanded Alicia.
"Hundreds of miles to the south of here, somewhere across the Trackless Sea," explained Keane when no one else answered.
"There's nothing for a thousand miles," objected Alicia. "Barely a few tiny islands!"
"You heard it was a legend. That's because no human has been there to prove its existence. The Coral Kingdom lies a hundred fathoms beneath the sea," concluded Keane, grimly quiet.”
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That suggests it's a few hundred miles, not 1,000. So maybe SSW of Flamsterd Isle by 400 miles? And the islands she's discussing include Lantan?
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The Coral Kingdom is also noted in other places as existing near Evermeet. However, i've seen one mention of the Coral Kingdom being home to aquatic elves.
I'd like to find this reference. That would be pretty significant.
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ericlboyd
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Posted - 14 Jul 2021 : 20:54:47
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It's coming back to me.
The original reference to Iumathiashae was in Elves of Evermeet, page 28. I then built on that in Demihuman Deities.
My guess is that the "Coral Kingdom" refers to a vast region dominated by scrags and merrow. It's a large area stretching from 400 miles SSW of Flamsterd's Isle to within a few days of Evermeet south of Belintholme.
Neighboring realms include the merfolk kingdom of Deepvale and the sea elf city of Iumathiashae. I suspect the Deepvale is also a geographical feature, part of which exists within the borders of the Coral Kingdom and is considered part of that realm. (This explains the additional reference to scrags / merrow assembling in Deepvale earlier in the novel.)
I don't think this precludes a fallen sea elf kingdom, but it doesn't require one.
Note also the intro chapters of the first novel of the Threat from the Sea trilogy. |
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Gary Dallison
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ericlboyd
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Posted - 01 Jul 2022 : 20:23:53
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Deepvale is apparently off the coast of Whitefish Bay. See Dungeon #196, page 5, and Dragon #376, page 63, for maps by Mike Schley. (The latter does not actually show Deepvale.)
To be honest, I think this is in the wrong place, given the text in the novel. I would have put Deepvale off the west coast of the Moonshaes so that you could have scrags and merrow assembling there.
Given the mapping though, I think it can stay. One just has to assume that the weird reference to the scrags and merrow assembling in Deepvale was a mistake in the novel (which it did seem to be) and should have been "assembling in the Coral Kingdom."
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Gary Dallison
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ericlboyd
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Posted - 04 Jul 2022 : 11:51:33
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Gary, good ideas. However, since Tom already did the "realm split into many locations" in Bestiary #1 for the Land Under Wave, I think it works to keep Deepvale a deepwater valley off Whitefish Bay off the eastern coast of Alaron, as shown on Mike Schley's map. It's consistent with the novels as I re-read them.
Likewise, despite the name, the most consistent use of the Coral Kingdom is to describe a region of wandering scrags and merrow between Evermeet / Iumathiashae from 400 miles SSW of Flamsterd's Isle to within a few days of Evermeet south of Belintholme.
However, I did rediscover one cool thing missing from the above: "The River" (think the Gulf Stream).
Here's how Elaine described it in "Tangled Webs."
“To Liriel's chagrin, the Elfmaid did not head directly for Ruathym. Hrolf set course for Neverwinter, a coastal city some three hundred miles to the north. The Ruathen wished to trade some of their stolen gold for Neverwinter crafts, but there was another, more practical reason for the diversion as well. Neverwinter was named for its unusually warm climate and a harbor that remained free of ice year round. This was in part due to the River, a current of warm water and air that swept eastward from Evermeet, over the island of Gundarlun, and narrowing until it touched Neverwinter's shores. So early in the spring, sailing the River was far safer than taking their chances against the ice floes that dotted the open sea. Hrolf planned to take to the River at Neverwinter, sail to Gundarlun to fish for spring herring, then travel due south to Ruathym. The expected profit was considerable, but this added time to the journey that Liriel had not considered."
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hashimashadoo
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Posted - 07 Jul 2022 : 13:11:10
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| Did Mel Odom ever name the Sahuagin settlement where Laqueel and Huaanton were from? |
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