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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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 Posted - 23 May 2021 : 23:50:09
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Way to utterly twist my words into something I never said or even implied.
I said you don't need the game rules -- I didn't say anything about maintaining setting lore. The two are not the same. |
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Azar
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 24 May 2021 : 00:14:40
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I mean, it would be nice to see - for example - a wizard having to get creative in scrounging for supplies after they've been divested of all their equipment.
Example: that same wizard "acquires" a novice Invoker's spellbook (let's call it the equivalent of a 5th-level Wizard's tome, in game terms) in order to arm himself and instead of the neat little squares of compressed bat guano he's used to purchasing from a reputable alchemist, he stoops to collecting rat feces (which don't work quite as well, but are the best analog he can locate under the circumstances).
There you go! That scenario is fairly faithful to D&D's rules while allowing some flexibility/alternative interpretation in the mix. |
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bloodtide_the_red
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 24 May 2021 : 04:18:28
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So, I'm getting the idea that if they change setting stuff that would be wrong, but changing the 'game rules' is just fine.
If the setting rules don't matter, why does the setting descriptions or setting lore matter? They make the city of Neverwinter on a floating iceberg because some idiot writer/director/producer thinks it is cool. After all, the non fans will never know it's "wrong", so it does not matter. |
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Qilintha
Seeker
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Posted - 24 May 2021 : 14:20:23
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From new rumours it seems that synopsis is outdated as I found articles that says that that synopsis is not official. Actually I've read other articles implying that the movie will be set in Waterdeep not Neverwinter.
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HighOne
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 24 May 2021 : 15:30:00
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Originally posted by bloodtide_the_red
If you don't stick to the rules, then your making Generic Fantasy Movie 109. So that is saying EVERY fantasy movie is a D&D/FR movie right? There is nothing that makes a D&D/FR movie different, right?
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So anything can be anything and just slap the D&D or FR label on it?
3E and 4E had very different rules from OD&D, but Wizards slapped the D&D label on them anyway, so obviously D&D can survive the loss or transformation of some of its rules.
To put it another way: Even if the movie is only 75% accurate to the 5E rules, that's still more accurate than 3E was to the original D&D. So if 3E can justly wear the D&D label, then so, by all rights, can the movie. |
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Qilintha
Seeker
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Posted - 25 May 2021 : 11:52:53
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| I am confused on why we are expecting accuracy to the rules in a movie. It's like expecting accuracy to the rules in a FR novel, it doesn't happen. We should think about the movies sticking to the lore. But considering we have basically no synopsis, I think they just started shooting. |
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BadCatMan
Senior Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 25 May 2021 : 12:41:14
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Yeah, they just started filming in Ireland on 1st May.
The story summary I presented in the first post was later reported to be not official and not accurate. However, I maintain it's not necessarily incorrect, as it might be only partially off, and none of the story information we've found so far can be said to be official or accurate either. It might be an older version, or falsified to prevent spoilers. (But then, I would say that, I was the one who publicised it and got abused by a reporter for asking for clarification of why it was wrong. I prefer this version of the story too.)
The other best description comes Production Weekly, a professional movie/TV industry publication. It reads:
"The action-adventure tale centers on Edgin (Pine) a warrior and his band of mystical creatures – including a half-dragon and a cunning gnome – as they embark on a dangerous journey to find a mythical treasure."
A good few rumours and "exclusive reports" have been made in the entertainment news for the last few years, most building on this second story. I've compiled the most reliable of them at the wiki article (some of which flew under the radar previously) so we can start to glean some details of the story. I'm not convinced, but obviously, I've been burned before. It's scant, but at this point, there are enough ideas in there I could string together an adventure or too. 
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Dungeons_%26_Dragons_(movie)#Story
People involved like producer Roy Lee have promised to go deep into the lore, and the reporters reference things like Palarandusk the dragon, Triadic Knights, and the drow House Horlbar, which are no mere surface D&D details or things from the video games, but proper old Realmslore. Time will tell whether they're true or not or whether it fits the Realms, but I remain cautious optimistic. |
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TheIriaeban
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 25 May 2021 : 19:52:36
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| OOoooOOoo! A gnome! Please don't let him/her look like Billy Barty did in the He-Man movie. |
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 02 Jun 2021 : 06:27:56
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Originally posted by TheIriaeban
OOoooOOoo! A gnome! Please don't let him/her look like Billy Barty did in the He-Man movie.
.... that movie was enjoyable, but he-man it was not and that character was gosh awful
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why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power
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LordofBones
Master of Realmslore
1536 Posts |
Posted - 03 Jun 2021 : 03:02:25
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| Don't you mean the Skeletor movie? |
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Gyor
Master of Realmslore
1625 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jun 2021 : 00:56:44
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| The guy from Bridgerton is playing a Paladin.ll |
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BadCatMan
Senior Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 05 Jun 2021 : 02:28:16
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Originally posted by Gyor
The guy from Bridgerton is playing a Paladin.ll
He mentioned that in relation to playing Diablo, so I assume it's just his favourite class in the game. Some articles have taken that out of context, along with a lot of other things. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jun 2021 : 02:55:28
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quote:
Originally posted by BadCatMan
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Originally posted by Gyor
The guy from Bridgerton is playing a Paladin.ll
He mentioned that in relation to playing Diablo, so I assume it's just his favourite class in the game. Some articles have taken that out of context, along with a lot of other things.
Something on the internet has been taken out of context?!? 
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BadCatMan
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Azar
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 07 Jun 2021 : 04:08:54
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by BadCatMan
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Originally posted by Gyor
The guy from Bridgerton is playing a Paladin.ll
He mentioned that in relation to playing Diablo, so I assume it's just his favourite class in the game. Some articles have taken that out of context, along with a lot of other things.
Something on the internet has been taken out of context?!?
Context was taken out of the internet a long time ago. |
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BadCatMan
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Delnyn
Senior Scribe
USA
958 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jun 2021 : 17:49:18
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
FR novels don't even stick to all the rules, and they never have.
In the case of RAS, I would further claim the novels ignore most of the rules. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3287 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jul 2022 : 23:18:13
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| Owlbear, Mimic, and a Gelatinous Cube! Nice touch using a Black Dragon instead of the usual Red. If only Ed can make an Elminster cameo. |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
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Posted - 21 Jul 2022 : 23:36:56
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Video going over the "Easter Eggs"
https://youtu.be/tg3BMxH4wEw
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Gyor
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 22 Jul 2022 : 00:37:03
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The Druid is a Tiefling and there is some speculation that the Barbarian is a Dwarf.
Also the party has a Sorcerer not a Wizard.
And Chris Pine is playing a Bard.
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cpthero2
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 22 Jul 2022 : 02:33:05
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Alae,
I'm the odd fan out today it seems. As a high priest of Iyacthu Xvim, I love hate, so I'll throw out my hate inducing comment herein.
The feel I get from this trailer is one of Jeremy Irons, redux, but with better CGI. That white dragon looked like it had about :35 seconds devoted to it from a 2nd grade graphics art student who is blind and being burned alive while creating that 'work of art'. That white dragon appears destined for the fail pile. Sometimes people roll a '1' at work, it's just awkward when they do it for (8) eight hours straight... 'Channel Negative Energy hate crowd.'
The inclusion of the particular creature's in the trailer appears to be a terribly done effort looking to attain low hanging fruit excitement from the fan base. Seemingly, they look to demonstrate their mad skills with thumbing through the monster manual with the patience of a cat immersed in a (40) forty cubic yard pile of catnip. In lieu of the clearly obvious eight year old patience approach, they should (and I pray to Oghma and Deneir) focus on the story, immersed in the Realms, not trophy mentions that happen to be potentially in the Realms.
The original D&D movies suffered from many things, but one of the worst felonies was picking easily identifiable and trite inclusions demonstrating the super D&D'ness of the creators. The fan base is not stupid, and frankly shouldn't be treated as such. After watching that trailer, I feel as if the creators of the trailer are in fact treating our fan base as stupid. We know it is in the Forgotten Realms. We know it is therefore of course, D&D: tell a story that happens to be good and just so happens to be in the Forgotten Realms. It is intellectually disgusting to see the fanbase treated as nothing less than a tireless droid factory that is obsessed with quantity over quality. That is frankly how I feel movie making has been for so long because to a starving person a fig newton looks like a damn steak dinner at Ruth's Chris Steakhouse!
I sincerely hope I'm wrong here. If I am wrong, I'll be the first to come back here with fervor at my being wrong and declare to the heavens the amazingness of the movie. This being the first foot forward for an attempt at a modern D&D movie, it smacks of being a pile of refuse. Perhaps there will be a neo-otyugh on hand to clean up the mess if this goes the way it seems it is on track to be as a movie.
I want to leave my post by saying this: people like of course Ed Greenwood, Eric Boyd, Steven Schend, R.A. Salvatore, Elizabeth Cunningham, and a ton of other (sorry for leaving others out, it's just a long list) authors/creators deserve better than this with their amazing stories!
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 22 Jul 2022 : 03:29:47
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Chris Pine = action movie with some budget. Surrounded by some young women to help hide his middle age.
So I don't really expect much lore or backstory. Just the modern-day equivalent of old-era sword & sorcery movies ... a plucky band of heroes, an implausibly melodramatic villain, a series of (mis)adventures which bring them together for an epic confrontation.
I do expect a couple hours of entertainment. Basically Hercules/Xena stuff with different characters. They'll doubtless plug in as many call-outs and easter eggs as they can, but it's not really D&D or the Realms - it just wears their trappings.
No need to hate on something which promises entertainment. Maybe not even memorable entertainment, but entertainment nonetheless. Go with the flow, have some fun with it.
Hasbro is sort of new to this game so who knows where they'll go with it. They certainly can't make a movie much worse than the previous D&D titles (movies which were honestly quite awful but still had merits to D&D fans). And they'd probably have to work hard if they wanted to vandalize their IPs the way Disney does.
Let's just say I hope for the best. I won't be terribly surprised and I won't be terribly disappointed. But maybe I'll be terribly impressed. |
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PattPlays
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 22 Jul 2022 : 03:40:43
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The red dragon had a budget, the others didn't xD
Wild shaping into an owlbear (definition of magical monstrosity)
I read the synopsis and maybe the Red Wizard won't really 'join' like the synopsis wished, and could just be an out and out enemy. Rough.
This movie won't have any time for discussing actual realms things, as I'm sure someone at paramount sees flavor as just exposition. Exposition probably is reserved solely for setting up action setpieces as a comedic setup punchline from front to back. But who knows! |
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deserk
Learned Scribe
Norway
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Posted - 22 Jul 2022 : 11:35:58
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Actually looks better than I expected. I'm sure many folks want to see a more serious D&D film, myself included, but I think if this has some moderate success it could act as a springboard for more D&D stories TV & film, and thus the potential for more serious stories.
I do think it's good that it is not trying to be LotR though, in the sense that it focuses on a small group of characters, rather than the fate of the world itself, like a true sword & sorcery adventure, which I feel personally both D&D and FR is more like rather than epic fantasy. |
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Demzer
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Posted - 22 Jul 2022 : 15:36:49
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| It doesn't look too bad, which is already above my expectations. But I'll just say: honor among thieves --> no rogue characters ... |
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Master Katarn
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Posted - 22 Jul 2022 : 15:51:21
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Originally posted by deserk
Actually looks better than I expected. I'm sure many folks want to see a more serious D&D film, myself included, but I think if this has some moderate success it could act as a springboard for more D&D stories TV & film, and thus the potential for more serious stories.
I do think it's good that it is not trying to be LotR though, in the sense that it focuses on a small group of characters, rather than the fate of the world itself, like a true sword & sorcery adventure, which I feel personally both D&D and FR is more like rather than epic fantasy.
Record of Lodoss War is probably the best filmed D&D adaptation just without the license. So I'm not a fan of this comedic take, but I do see your point that there could be more serious D&D down the line. The best chance is streaming tv I think. I see Paramount distributing this. A D&D tv show could bolster Paramount Plus's lineup along with their ongoing Star Trek to better fight Disney Plus, Amazon Prime, etc. |
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Zeromaru X
Great Reader
Colombia
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Posted - 22 Jul 2022 : 16:27:54
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| WotC is scared of success, it seems. They say the movie is "based on Guardians of the Galaxy", but Guardians had a lot of non-humans in the protagonists' team. Heck, there was even a tree. Here, we have a single tiefling, and that is. Not even an elf, let alone something more exotic... |
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ElfBane
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 22 Jul 2022 : 17:40:10
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Originally posted by Zeromaru X
WotC is scared of success, it seems. They say the movie is "based on Guardians of the Galaxy", but Guardians had a lot of non-humans in the protagonists' team. Heck, there was even a tree. Here, we have a single tiefling, and that is. Not even an elf, let alone something more exotic...
Well, they can hardly represent every race in D&D, the party would have to be damn near platoon sized! |
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Zeromaru X
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Colombia
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Posted - 22 Jul 2022 : 17:48:47
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| At the very least the "common races. There are like 5 protagonists. An elf and a dwarf wouldn't have been a problem. |
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Dungeons & Dragons movie in the Forgotten Realms!
