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Netherese Empire page, Enclaves section
Akintaer: This enclave boasted a mighty army, who worshiped the god Targus.
Aquessir: Unlike other Netherese cities, the Shadowtop Borough maintained opened trade with nearby settlements, notably those of the elves.
Delia: Originally an island inhabited by elves and druids, this enclave was elevated by Lady Polaris and maintained its nature-appreciating culture and decor for some time, before it lost its way and was assimilated into the greater Netherese culture.
Doubloon: The former bandit's haven was elevated by Tempera of Fenwick as a rogue enclave that evaded the other cities of Netheril in pursuit of the magically-aided currency-counterfeiting scheme.
Eileanar: One of the last enclaves created, this city was the home of the legendary arcanist Karsus.
Farenway
Jethaere
Jiksidur: This city was ruled by the Sorcerer-King Larloch, who stood vigilant against the battlemages of Raumathar and the ruling Nentyarch of Narfell.
Jockteleg: After experiments on this enclave's mythallar went wrong, the nobles within were permanently polymorphed into voadkyn, resulting into their increased isolation and exclusion from the rest of the empire.
Lathery: Overseen by the arcanist Veridon, this industrious enclave flew over the Narrow Sea and adjusted their mythallar for a commercial fishing.
Lhaoda:
Maunator: Also known as Sunrest, this city fell when arcane research went awry resulting in disastrous consequences.
Negarath: Led by the arcanist Barze, the remnants of this enclave would go on to form a kingdom in the realm that came to be known as Vaasa.
Nhalloth: A floating city that rested above the waters of the Inner Sea.
Orbedal: The enclave of Sanctuary, ruled by Rhaugilath, was a haven of peace and serenity for the Netherese nobility.
Palter: Even among the enclaves of Netheril, the city ruled by archwizard Halavar was a bastion of magical innovation and progress.
Phylornel: This low-flying enclave never moved from its location above the Netheril River.
Sakkors: This enclave was formed from an inverted mountaintop, by the arcanist Xolund, who further imbued his sentience into the city's mythallar.
Selûnarra: Known as Opus in the Loross language, was transported to the Gates of the Moon by the goddess Selûne.
Spiel: A center of enlightenment, this enclave had a great number of universities and places of learning.
Synod: This aerial citadel was an sacerdotal sanctuary dedicated to Amaunator, Mystryl and Tyche, and was led by a pious archwizard.
Thultanthar: Led by the arcanist Telamont Tanthul, who conducted significant research on the Shadow Weave, this enclave survived the collapse of Netheril and returned to the Prime Material plane millennia later.
Thyndlamdrivvar: An enclave overseen by the arcanist Ander.
Tith Tilendrothael
Undrentide: This enclave floated over the southeastern region of the Empire, over the Eastern Forest.
Xinlenal: The first of the enclaves of Netheril, risen by the arcanist Ioulaum, paving the way for other Netherese archmages.
Ythryn: An enclave that housed mages searching for Ostoria, the ancient giant kingdom. The enclave fell over Icewind Dale, into the Reghed Glacier.

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Originally posted by SaMoCon

I thought the three that Mystra caught - Asram, Anauria, and Hlondath - all became short-lived successor states where they landed and succumbed to the growing Anauroch Desert.

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Originally posted by sleyvas

I've mentioned before I'm using doubloon for my tharch of Luneira (its renamed), and I know why you are interested Seethyr.

One thing that pops in my head that might be worth playing with.... who says every flying enclave fell at Karsus' Folly. For instance, if another sufficiently powerful society sees a flying enclave encroaching on their territory.... instead of "killing all the land underneath them".... what if they came up with an idea of temporarily disabling their mythallar? What if they achieved such? All of a sudden this flying enclave with all its proud arcanists starts to go crashing to the ground. They turn to their magical items to escape... only they're "quasi-magic" items dependent on the mythallar as a power source. They crash. Some survive and the enemy closes in, and they draw that magic wand they rely on... that relies on that mythallar....

So, they yield... they surrender... and the beings that caused them all this distress realize "here's a people that we can take under our wing.... and steal their secrets... what was that mythallar thing they were using? They were too dependent on it, but it sounds like a great crystal based power that would be a great feather to have in our cap"

In this instance, the major players of the enclave may be dead and the remaining folk may know how to use magic, but not extremely well. They may start getting taught by the people that took them in. The history books may not "quite" get it right about how this relationship started and ended as well.

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Originally posted by SaMoCon

I thought the three that Mystra caught - Asram, Anauria, and Hlondath - all became short-lived successor states where they landed and succumbed to the growing Anauroch Desert.

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True -- but we don't know exactly where or how they came down. Did they remain aloft? Did she gently set them on the ground? Did she transport the people to the ground and chuck the enclaves elsewhere?

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Originally posted by Seethyr

If Marvel’s Age of Ultron taught me anything about physics, it’s that falling cities can cause massive damage well beyond its borders. I’m shocked that so many falling cities didn’t kick up enough dirt and debris to cause another ice age.

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Originally posted by sleyvas

I've mentioned before I'm using doubloon for my tharch of Luneira (its renamed), and I know why you are interested Seethyr.

One thing that pops in my head that might be worth playing with.... who says every flying enclave fell at Karsus' Folly. For instance, if another sufficiently powerful society sees a flying enclave encroaching on their territory.... instead of "killing all the land underneath them".... what if they came up with an idea of temporarily disabling their mythallar? What if they achieved such? All of a sudden this flying enclave with all its proud arcanists starts to go crashing to the ground. They turn to their magical items to escape... only they're "quasi-magic" items dependent on the mythallar as a power source. They crash. Some survive and the enemy closes in, and they draw that magic wand they rely on... that relies on that mythallar....

So, they yield... they surrender... and the beings that caused them all this distress realize "here's a people that we can take under our wing.... and steal their secrets... what was that mythallar thing they were using? They were too dependent on it, but it sounds like a great crystal based power that would be a great feather to have in our cap"

In this instance, the major players of the enclave may be dead and the remaining folk may know how to use magic, but not extremely well. They may start getting taught by the people that took them in. The history books may not "quite" get it right about how this relationship started and ended as well.

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My still-nebulous idea for an enclave parked over another continent was that it had found a convenient place to "dock" -- perhaps a large lake, or something like a crater or the caldera of a dormant volcano -- allowing it to more or less land. When the Fall came, since it was parked, it remained intact. The mythallar went offline, but the city remained.

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Originally posted by Seethyr

If Marvel’s Age of Ultron taught me anything about physics, it’s that falling cities can cause massive damage well beyond its borders. I’m shocked that so many falling cities didn’t kick up enough dirt and debris to cause another ice age.

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Originally posted by Seethyr

If Marvel’s Age of Ultron taught me anything about physics, it’s that falling cities can cause massive damage well beyond its borders. I’m shocked that so many falling cities didn’t kick up enough dirt and debris to cause another ice age.

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Or even a more localized desert area that might be recovering but caused the temporary movement of rivers and such that dries up a region, possibly creating some underdark lakes....

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Originally posted by Seethyr

If Marvel’s Age of Ultron taught me anything about physics, it’s that falling cities can cause massive damage well beyond its borders. I’m shocked that so many falling cities didn’t kick up enough dirt and debris to cause another ice age.

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Or even a more localized desert area that might be recovering but caused the temporary movement of rivers and such that dries up a region, possibly creating some underdark lakes....

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I don’t know if you noticed the map of the NW of Anchorome. Looks an awful lot like a crater to me.

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Originally posted by Seethyr

If Marvel’s Age of Ultron taught me anything about physics, it’s that falling cities can cause massive damage well beyond its borders. I’m shocked that so many falling cities didn’t kick up enough dirt and debris to cause another ice age.

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Well, now, you had to ask that. That can be determined but some more data is needed:

1. How long was magic busted?
2. Was magic used on the cities to make sure the air stayed breathable no matter how high the city went?
3. Was every city roughly the same size?

One thing your question does guarantee, though, is that Asram, Anauria, and Hlondath were all cities that were closest to but not too much above 26,246 ft in altitude. If magic was used to keep the air breathable and a city was too high, the people would have all died of a lack of oxygen so Mystra would not have been able to save them. It would also be those cities that could have impacted the environment the most since they would have had the highest velocity on impact with the ground.

Or, and this is an interesting question, did she save those three cities, not because of they were the only ones she could but instead because the archwizards there had the least amount of hubris and thus were worthy of saving so that knowledge of magic was kept alive by those that had the right attitude towards it?

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Originally posted by sleyvas

On the concept of "how high did they fly", honestly planes fly at like 6 miles up. I'd be surprised if they keep the cities that far up. Even a half mile would be plenty.

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Originally posted by sleyvas

On the concept of "how high did they fly", honestly planes fly at like 6 miles up. I'd be surprised if they keep the cities that far up. Even a half mile would be plenty.

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That is a 13 second fall with an impact velocity of less than 300 mph. I could definitely see that as being too short a time for Mystral to "kill" herself, Mystra be born, and then have the situational awareness to save any of the enclaves falling from that height.

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Originally posted by sleyvas

hmmm, just one thing that's kind of interesting... I pointed out above that enclaves could fall without it pertaining to Karsus' Folly. It seems that's exactly what happened with the one that's in icewind dale. It happened PRIOR to Karsus' Folly by a couple years. Just found it interesting that people are circling around the same ideas.

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Originally posted by George Krashos

I'm always intrigued why people are convinced that Netherese flying enclaves were jumbo jets flying at 25,000 feet. Cue: But magic ... please. There is zero benefit for enclaves to be flying miles off the ground unless absolutely necessary. It's like the U-Boats in WW2 - they spent more time travelling on the surface than they did travelling underwater.

-- George Krashos

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Originally posted by George Krashos

I'm always intrigued why people are convinced that Netherese flying enclaves were jumbo jets flying at 25,000 feet. Cue: But magic ... please. There is zero benefit for enclaves to be flying miles off the ground unless absolutely necessary. It's like the U-Boats in WW2 - they spent more time travelling on the surface than they did travelling underwater.

-- George Krashos

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Maybe because not all of the enclaves were sitting atop upturned mountain peaks.

-- George Krashos

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Maybe because not all of the enclaves were sitting atop upturned mountain peaks.

-- George Krashos

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