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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
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 Posted - 09 Mar 2020 : 16:52:42
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So in several other threads for probably the last 4 years, I've been proposing that "what if the gods that "died" actually went to Abeir".
I've also proposed many theories revolving around Leira and Mask being in cahoots to dupe Cyric, such that Mask/"Godsbane" didn't "kill" Leira but rather temporarily hid her. She eventually was "reborn" in the body of the Cyrinishad. I've also proposed that perhaps Leira and Savras, despite not seeing eye to eye, were servants of magic and were working together to prevent the death of magic.
I've also proposed that the "Tome of Fastrin the Delver" was another well crafted book of lies that possibly Velsharoon, Leira, and Savras worked to get into the hands of the curse afflicted Szass Tam (cursed by an artifact given to him by Larloch, a chosen of Mystryl, that would make him pursue greater and greater acts of "evil" seeking power) that possibly contained a ritual that would draw on the weave anchors in Thay to revivify Mystra/Mystryl/Midnight.
I've proposed that perhaps "Entropy is Pandorym". I've also noted that perhaps Takhisis was temporarily inhabiting "Entropy" as a "lesser avatar" form for her to reanchor herself in the world. I propose that this might have been with the promise that Mystra would be killed. I've also proposed that there are some kind of Ties between Talos and Entropy. To this, I propose that perhaps Talos is the "will" of Entropy or somesuch manifested in a corrupted form of a god that was previously "swallowed".
I've proposed that perhaps Leira rode in with Cyric into Mystra's divine domain and betrayed him somehow (not necessary mind you). This was possibly to try and halt Shar's attempt to steal the weave by somehow corrupting the death of Mystra in such a way that it actually COMBINED the weave and shadow weave back together. This may have involved Mask as well, and even possibly the stone of karsus and the weave tap from the novels.
I've proposed that perhaps the sundering being almost exactly one hundred years after the death of Mystra being something like the old rules of demons being unable to return to a world after they are killed there for something like 100 years, and that the sundering perhaps started a few year prior to the "known" dates.
I've proposed that Deneir's attempt to "fix" the weave after Mystra's death may have also been piece of this puzzle. I further add to this that perhaps this was HOW the weave and shadow weave were recombined, but at the cost of Deneir's power, and that perhaps he called upon the power of the glyph's surrounding the inner side of the crystal sphere to perform this "fix".
Finally, I've proposed that the deaths of Helm, Tyr, Lathander were also all a port of this, and I noted that both Tyr and Lathander were involved with caging Cyric. I propose that the "antics" of their deaths were all a carefully prepared lie set forth by Leira OR that they did die as a result of Leira planting lies in their heads or somesuch. I would add to this that PERHAPS when they went to imprison Cyric, they released "Valigan Thirdborn"/Loki/"Valigor the Runtbborn Giant" as well as releasing the great serpent that had been put in place above him to drip poison on his face.
I've been asked several times to try and explain why pieces of this might have happened. I'm presenting the above as an overarching example of possibly a way to tie together all of these various returning gods, to have some reason why they may have gone to Abeir or somesuch (maybe they had to be reborn there or take on a bonded mortal/avatar type form). In particular it places many gods of magic over in Abeir while magic in Toril is messed up. To note as well, for some reason, Azuth's staff was also in Abeir, buried in the dead stone mountains which was the body of a Primordial named Petron located in Shyr which "mirrored" the smoking mountains of Toril, and was placed there by an agent to work against Asmodeus.
Ok, longwinded as that was... is there any fixes or improvements (and I fully get that everyone's going to have some problem with the above).
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Alavairthae, may your skill prevail
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
12074 Posts |
Posted - 09 Mar 2020 : 16:59:11
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| Oh, and for those that read "The Devil You Know", I propose that the reason that magic DIDN'T work in the area of the Dead Stone Mountains had something to do with its name and how the mountains were composed of rocks piled up by the dragons on the body of Petron in order to block its ability to turn dragons into glass. Perhaps all of that "dead stone" was "magic dead stone". |
Alavairthae, may your skill prevail
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Zeromaru X
Great Reader
Colombia
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Posted - 09 Mar 2020 : 18:16:38
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As for the Abeir and magic part, Ed clarified it yesterday on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/TheEdVerse/status/1236721688714391554?s=19
And about Abeir's Weave:
https://twitter.com/TheEdVerse/status/1237055812608106496?s=19
tl;dr: Abeir has it's own magic "conduit" that's different than Mystra's Weave, and magic-users from Toril (and other worlds) first must attune to this system before they could use magic (something that may be impossible even for accomplished archwizards, if they don't discover the magic "conduit" first, and this conduit seems to be rather difficult to "sense" if you don't have the ability to innately connect to magic -- a la sorcerers).
Some forms of magic are limited or restrained (no pact magic with beings from the Outer Planes, for instance), because of the nature of Abeir's isolation from Realmspace. |
Instead of seeking change, you prefer a void, merciless abyss of a world... |
Edited by - Zeromaru X on 09 Mar 2020 18:34:56 |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
12074 Posts |
Posted - 09 Mar 2020 : 18:54:37
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Originally posted by Zeromaru X
As for the Abeir and magic part, Ed clarified it yesterday on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/TheEdVerse/status/1236721688714391554?s=19
And about Abeir's Weave:
https://twitter.com/TheEdVerse/status/1237055812608106496?s=19
tl;dr: Abeir has it's own magic "conduit" that's different than Mystra's Weave, and magic-users from Toril (and other worlds) first must attune to this system before they could use magic (something that may be impossible even for accomplished archwizards, if they don't discover the magic "conduit" first, and this conduit seems to be rather difficult to "sense" if you don't have the ability to innately connect to magic -- a la sorcerers).
Some forms of magic are limited or restrained (no pact magic with beings from the Outer Planes, for instance), because of the nature of Abeir's isolation from Realmspace.
LOL, literally yesterday. Well, at least I can say finally some of the concepts I have been putting forth can now have a lot more credibility. Especially if the concepts of the gods of magic being sent to Abeir, then THEY could provide some primer knowledge on how to adapt from weave based to abeir based magics. Furthermore, it might have been possible to start making some kind of conversion "tool" which takes Abeiran energy and converts it to weave energy at least in localities, such that wizards might be able to quickly adapt Torilian spells to work in a certain vicinity.
I also think this kind of interestingly hits on my own view of the weave itself, in that I view it more of a database with rules for how to manipulate certain magical energies, and that different worlds have a different "database" and thus spells may vary from world to world. Edition changes would simply be database updates as a result. |
Alavairthae, may your skill prevail
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
12074 Posts |
Posted - 09 Mar 2020 : 19:01:32
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| Oh, and this provides a good reason for why the gods would be there as well. If the outer planes are not accessible for patrons, same should be true for clerics. So perhaps gods were sent over to protect the mortals in their time of need (which somewhat begs to ask the question of why Ao couldn't/wouldn't provide similar before for the mortals of Abeir.... which may also bring up a question on exactly how much power/influence Ao had on Abeir... and possibly its only during these crossover times that he's able to try and establish a foothold in which he CAN extend his influence there as an overpower). |
Alavairthae, may your skill prevail
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cpthero2
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 09 Mar 2020 : 19:32:06
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Master Zeromaru X,
I really like the idea of the conduit being different, a la sorcerer. Kind of changes it up and makes the "physics" of magic a little more tangible.
Thank you for the share by the way. That was pretty dang recent!
Best regards,
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Originally posted by Zeromaru X
As for the Abeir and magic part, Ed clarified it yesterday on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/TheEdVerse/status/1236721688714391554?s=19
And about Abeir's Weave:
https://twitter.com/TheEdVerse/status/1237055812608106496?s=19
tl;dr: Abeir has it's own magic "conduit" that's different than Mystra's Weave, and magic-users from Toril (and other worlds) first must attune to this system before they could use magic (something that may be impossible even for accomplished archwizards, if they don't discover the magic "conduit" first, and this conduit seems to be rather difficult to "sense" if you don't have the ability to innately connect to magic -- a la sorcerers).
Some forms of magic are limited or restrained (no pact magic with beings from the Outer Planes, for instance), because of the nature of Abeir's isolation from Realmspace.
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Zeromaru X
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cpthero2
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Mar 2020 : 21:43:57
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Master Zeromaru X,
Well, keep a screenshot of that exchange. I guarantee you that the PR team is likely already moving into place to get that deleted from forever ever land. lol
That literally and perfectly encapsulates the insanity behind the lack of continuity as an FR author tells the creator of FR: news to me! hahaha
Best regards,
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Originally posted by Zeromaru X
Here is a small chain of dialogue I life behind:
https://twitter.com/erinmevans/status/1236724464844279808?s=19
And this one is from today, about those wizards that were sent to Abeir and how the will struggle to learn to use magic there:
https://twitter.com/TheEdVerse/status/1237097118030061568?s=19
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
12074 Posts |
Posted - 09 Mar 2020 : 22:34:43
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Originally posted by Zeromaru X
Here is a small chain of dialogue I life behind:
https://twitter.com/erinmevans/status/1236724464844279808?s=19
And this one is from today, about those wizards that were sent to Abeir and how the will struggle to learn to use magic there:
https://twitter.com/TheEdVerse/status/1237097118030061568?s=19
Yeah, problematic, but not impossible, and with some tools to aid them possibly they would be helped. I like the possibilities that I've put forth before that in the areas where there were Faerunians were, these began to be called "the lands of faith" and they began establishing the ability to adapt spellcasting by giving offerings on temple altars and them gods themselves during these offerings of faith into something like weave anchors (or localized areas which extend "weave" energy even on Abeir).
I do also find it interesting that he contradicted Erin's novels, but given that it makes people surviving in Abeir and not all being turned into slaves, I'm for it. Its so much better in my view if some unusual stuff happened there like traditionally evil cultures coming to save other cultures and slowly adapting themselves to more acceptable behaviors, or fighting against other evil cultures to protect their fellow Torilians. It just makes for a better story. |
Alavairthae, may your skill prevail
Phillip aka Sleyvas |
Edited by - sleyvas on 09 Mar 2020 22:36:49 |
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cpthero2
Great Reader
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Posted - 11 Mar 2020 : 02:52:21
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Great Reader sleyvas,
I found the issue regarding the contradiction of Erin's novels to be quite interesting too. I found her response to be the most entertaining though, haha.
That rare moment where WotC couldn't control everything in the multiverse. haha
Best regards,
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Originally posted by sleyvas
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Originally posted by Zeromaru X
Here is a small chain of dialogue I life behind:
https://twitter.com/erinmevans/status/1236724464844279808?s=19
And this one is from today, about those wizards that were sent to Abeir and how the will struggle to learn to use magic there:
https://twitter.com/TheEdVerse/status/1237097118030061568?s=19
Yeah, problematic, but not impossible, and with some tools to aid them possibly they would be helped. I like the possibilities that I've put forth before that in the areas where there were Faerunians were, these began to be called "the lands of faith" and they began establishing the ability to adapt spellcasting by giving offerings on temple altars and them gods themselves during these offerings of faith into something like weave anchors (or localized areas which extend "weave" energy even on Abeir).
I do also find it interesting that he contradicted Erin's novels, but given that it makes people surviving in Abeir and not all being turned into slaves, I'm for it. Its so much better in my view if some unusual stuff happened there like traditionally evil cultures coming to save other cultures and slowly adapting themselves to more acceptable behaviors, or fighting against other evil cultures to protect their fellow Torilians. It just makes for a better story.
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The Great Lie and transfer of Gods to Abeir
