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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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 Posted - 11 May 2004 : 08:55:50
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Arivia
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Originally posted by The Sage
Hmmm...now what did Arivia just say about some people being particularly transparent...? 
Anyway, it'll be on it's way soon Wooly.
Sage, if you sent me something-it didn't arrive.
I, too, did not receive anything...
That was intentional. Sorry...
While going over the list, I noticed that there were still several portals unaccounted for (three portals between Krynn and Toril that I remember, and one from Athas before that realm was closed to planar travel). Since it was incomplete (due largely to the poor state of repair of the Mimir site server) I've asked the original author of the list to send me his complete working. I'll send it straight along to you all as soon as I get it.
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Arivia
Great Reader
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Posted - 11 May 2004 : 09:03:53
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Arivia
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Originally posted by The Sage
Hmmm...now what did Arivia just say about some people being particularly transparent...?
Anyway, it'll be on it's way soon Wooly.
Sage, if you sent me something-it didn't arrive.
I, too, did not receive anything...
That was intentional. Sorry...
While going over the list, I noticed that there were still several portals unaccounted for (three portals between Krynn and Toril that I remember, and one from Athas before that realm was closed to planar travel). Since it was incomplete (due largely to the poor state of repair of the Mimir site server) I've asked the original author of the list to send me his complete working. I'll send it straight along to you all as soon as I get it.
Nothing to be sorry about-that's a very good reason for the delay-I was just trying to make sure I wasn't missing out on some great lore. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 11 May 2004 : 09:07:52
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Yes, I just wanted to make sure I have the entire list. I mean, even though I noticed some portals missing, my own archives are not 100%, so there could be several more missing that I simply don't know about...
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kahonen
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 11 May 2004 : 12:16:59
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If you are using 2nd Edition, you can use The Infinite Staircase. My party have used it many times.
Originally detailed in a Plansecape Module called (rather surprisingly) The Infinite Staircase, it was also included in the FR Module "For Duty and Deity" as the means of travel to the Abyss in order to rescue Waukeen.
The staircase is a construct with an access point to all know worlds and planes so you can use it to travel from anywhere to anywhere (and in some cases "anywhen"  )
If you can manage it, I would get hold of the Planescape book before you use the staircase as there is much more detail in there. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 11 May 2004 : 12:48:15
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There are tidbits about the Staircase in various sources:
Planes of Chaos - the Book of Chaos (very short)
Planewalker's Handbook (likewise)
For Duty & Deity (actually a very good portrayal of the Stairs, highly recommended)
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Tales from the Infinite Staircase, which basically gives you all you need.
The Staircase is one of the most interesting and most useful planar phenomenons. Technically, it does seem to "grow" out of Selűne's realm in the first layer of Ysgard, and there is plenty of evidence to support the theory that the Staircase has strong connections to the plane - like the spell alterations, which are exactly the same as in Ysgard.
The "main gate" or entrance to the Staircase is also located there: the Gates of the Moon, which lies at the center of the Moon goddess' realm. It is guarded by her were-creatures and shard (a sort of petitioner) on the outside, and by masked Lillend on the inside.
Do the Lillend serve Selűne? That's a hard question to answer. The wearers of the infinity masks (smooth silvery masks that cover the entire face and have no markings except a small infinity symbol on the forehead) seem to be the high-ups of the Lillend, and the main caretakers of the Stair. But other Lillend seem to merely live there, even if they do take good care of their home.
It is quite possible that they share an intimate connection to the Staircase, since they are creatures of art and creation...and in a weird way, so is the Staircase.
See, the doors to the Infinite Staircase appear only where unusual amounts of artistry or creation has or is taking place. They are somehow drawn to them, and not always in obvious ways. The doors often end up in civilized cities, due to the amount of creation that usually takes place there, but they also often end up in more exotic locations, where you'd never expect to find anything remotely interesting. The Staircase seems to somehow know where these places are.
Of course, the Staircase itself is an interesting place. Almost everyone is welcomed by the Lillend (with the notable exception of Baatezu, whom they hate, and tanar'ri, who are an antithesis of the Stair because of their destructive nature), and plenty of planewalkers take advantage of this. So much, in fact, that the planewalker's guild, long exiled from Sigil, has been located on one of the bigger platforms of the stair.
Travel is relatively straightforward. You simply have to leg it, and find a door. It's a slower process than using portals, since you don't always know where to find the doors, and the stairs stretch into all directions and are of every concievable kind (in a way, the Staircase resembles the barmy drawings of a prime luminary known as Escher). Unavoidably, you have to do a lot of climbing. Don't bring a big backpack, berk.
Even if you don't know where you are going, the Stair does...it seems to lead you to the right door, eventually. But don't travel alone. The greybeards say that the Staircase is so good at reading your desires that if you travel alone, without the conflicting desires of others to protect you, the Staircase may bring you to the place of your heart's desire. And noone ever returns from there.
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Chyron
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 11 May 2004 : 14:52:57
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Actually, I was in error (happens all too often I’m afraid  )….The source stone in fact collapses at the end of NWN. But perhaps the Creator Race had other similar magics since they are known to have conquered at least one other world (Asheera’s).
Just for reference, here are the portals that are found within the “source stone” under Neverwinter. They do not point to any specific “other” world and conceivably they latter two could be Faerun of the future….or not.
Water Door - A salty smell drifts through this impenetrable door. Past the door you see waves pound mercilessly against a tall, green tower that sits alone in the center of a great sea.
The NPC Asheera stands at this door. She says that she is of the Shining Order, sworn in service to Sahaladar, greatest of the floating cities on Azallah.
The other doors are as follows;
Woods Door - You blink, astonished to see past this unbreakable door, tall trees stretching up to a blue-green sky.
Future Door - This door won't open - and for that you are glad. What you sense on the other side defies words or thoughts. You are content to walk away from this one.
Alien Door - You sense something beyond this door. Although you cannot see them, in your mind's eye winged creatures drop from the skies beyond this door, spilling forth from wide mouths all manner of weird and wondrous beings.
Anyway not really canon material but could spawn some ideas for others…
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 11 May 2004 : 16:41:16
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| As I've said before, 3e watchdog that I seem to be, the Staircase does exist in 3e. Look at the Manual of the Planes and the Epic Level Handbook for the 3e version. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 11 May 2004 : 17:54:14
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Originally posted by Arivia
As I've said before, 3e watchdog that I seem to be, the Staircase does exist in 3e. Look at the Manual of the Planes and the Epic Level Handbook for the 3e version.
And then there's a seperate one that also connects through FR's planes since it's mentioned in the Player's Guide under Selune's entry. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 12 May 2004 : 09:50:23
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Yes, I mentioned that connection to Selune's realm, although it's based on 2e material. Which, is of course still relevant if you are using the Great Wheel cosmology, and not the planar structure put forth in PGtF.
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 12 May 2004 : 09:52:57
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Originally posted by The Sage
Yes, I mentioned that connection to Selune's realm, although it's based on 2e material. Which, is of course still relevant if you are using the Great Wheel cosmology, and not the planar structure put forth in PGtF.
Well again it's still relevant in 3e's FR planes also since again the Staircase is mentioned in the Player's Guide..... |
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The Sage
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Sarelle
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12 May 2004 : 15:51:42
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Ooh! This is a tasty thread.
I'm afraid I am going to have to join the ranks of the Transparent, as well as the newly established Greedy N00bs (badges not required!  ) - and ask for a copy of the portals list, when it is completed. As kuje can testify - I'll gobble anything that talks about Toril's connections to other worlds/the Great Wheel.
-and, though I'm sure most of you know this, a portal to Sigil is named in the Places of Worship chapter of F&P, in Tempus' Abbey of the Sword. |
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Arivia
Great Reader
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Posted - 12 May 2004 : 16:44:58
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Originally posted by Sarelle
-and, though I'm sure most of you know this, a portal to Sigil is named in the Places of Worship chapter of F&P, in Tempus' Abbey of the Sword.
Oh, yes, we've been over this legion times...
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aragorn II
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 12 May 2004 : 19:20:49
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| Speaking of portals to other worlds, can draconians (a dragonlike himanoid native to Krynn) go to a world where there are none (e.g., Abeir-Toril)? |
There can be only one. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 12 May 2004 : 20:02:58
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Originally posted by aragorn II
Speaking of portals to other worlds, can draconians (a dragonlike himanoid native to Krynn) go to a world where there are none (e.g., Abeir-Toril)?
I don't see why not. Kender have gone to Faerun before.... |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 12 May 2004 : 22:40:02
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Originally posted by aragorn II
Speaking of portals to other worlds, can draconians (a dragonlike himanoid native to Krynn) go to a world where there are none (e.g., Abeir-Toril)?
I'd allow it, provided that there was both a good reason for doing so, and a plausible method for it to have happened. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 14 May 2004 : 07:06:08
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Originally posted by aragorn II
Speaking of portals to other worlds, can draconians (a dragonlike himanoid native to Krynn) go to a world where there are none (e.g., Abeir-Toril)?
Yes they can. In fact there has already been such an occurence - two bozaks and a aurak I believe. It happened at approximately the same time as the tinker gnome spelljammer "Miracle", crash-landed in the eastern Shaar. I'll have a search through my archives for more details.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 14 May 2004 : 08:18:01
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by aragorn II
Speaking of portals to other worlds, can draconians (a dragonlike himanoid native to Krynn) go to a world where there are none (e.g., Abeir-Toril)?
Yes they can. In fact there has already been such an occurence - two bozaks and a aurak I believe. It happened at approximately the same time as the tinker gnome spelljammer "Miracle", crash-landed in the eastern Shaar. I'll have a search through my archives for more details.
This sounds familiar, but I'm drawing a blank. When you find this bit in your archives, let me know -- my curiosity is piqued!  |
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The Sage
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Posted - 14 May 2004 : 08:34:43
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Will do Hammy...
I can't recall whether it was a reference from a sourcebook or from one of the DL anthologies, but I distinctly remember there was a mention of an area on the world of Toril which was later revealed to be the Shaar.
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aragorn II
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 26 May 2004 : 23:06:25
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| If you find out which book it is, please send it to me, also. |
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aragorn II
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 27 May 2004 : 18:59:58
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Is there a way to get from Abier-Toril to Middle Earth? That would be awesome. |
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 27 May 2004 : 19:14:18
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Is there a way to get from Abier-Toril to Middle Earth? That would be awesome.
I'm sure WOTC would like such a portal to exist. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 27 May 2004 : 19:16:01
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Originally posted by aragorn II
Is there a way to get from Abier-Toril to Middle Earth? That would be awesome.
I don't know of one... But there's nothing to stop a DM from doing that. I don't know that I would, but if you can work it into your campaign, then go for it.
Though it must be notated that in Middle-Earth, magic isn't nearly as prevalent as it is in the Realms... Perhaps it's more difficult to use magic there... |
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aragorn II
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 27 May 2004 : 19:22:16
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| Imagine it: Frodo Baggins in Shadowdale...mwahahahahah! |
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Faraer
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Posted - 27 May 2004 : 20:03:15
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 28 May 2004 : 07:56:47
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Originally posted by aragorn II
Is there a way to get from Abier-Toril to Middle Earth? That would be awesome.
Officially, no. But the official rules on portal gateways and travel exist only as a option and guideline for the DM. If he/she so wishes there to be a portal between the lands of Faerun, and the land of Middle Earth then there is really nothing that can prevent it.
Although, as Faraer mentioned, there would be specific consequences to the use of magic...
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aragorn II
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 01 Jun 2004 : 18:02:01
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Yoshimo
Seeker
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Posted - 05 Jun 2004 : 23:33:01
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I'm sure the grand mage Elminster could blast one away with a grand word of destruction! What say you others? An ole kick in the rift and you can say bye-bye extradimensional anomaly...  |
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Hymn
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 06 Jun 2004 : 01:07:08
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Well you can always use a portal demolisher. Besides this nifty item there is a few ways to close a portal.
[according to the FRCS on page 60]
A succesfull dispel magic (DC 27) causes a portal to become non functional for 1d4+1 rounds. Mordenkainen's disjunction destroyes a portal unless it makes a will save ( a portal's will save bonus is +10) The Spell gate seal, it seals the portal permanently and can only be activated once it is dispelled. |
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Arteris
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 07 Jun 2004 : 01:18:44
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Originally posted by Faraer
Not only more difficult: the very morality of using magic would change.
Plus it would scare people to hell. Letting off a fireball would cause world wide Since Gandalf is always at a lack of magical use
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