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aragorn II
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 Posted - 27 Apr 2004 : 18:26:47
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Is there a way to go from Abeir-Toril to Krynn or to Athas or to the world of Greyhawk? That would be really awesome.
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 27 Apr 2004 : 18:37:25
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| Well, you can use a spelljammer ship. Or go through Sigil. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Apr 2004 : 18:41:51
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| Or if you are using the new tree planes then you have to go by the Shadow Plane...... |
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aragorn II
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 27 Apr 2004 : 19:33:12
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 27 Apr 2004 : 20:14:58
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Originally posted by aragorn II
Is there a way to build a portal to another world?
There used to be portals to other worlds, but the 3E cosmology makes it so that you no longer can make direct transits to other worlds. That's part of the reason I ignore the new cosmology.  |
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Arivia
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Apr 2004 : 22:13:53
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by aragorn II
Is there a way to build a portal to another world?
There used to be portals to other worlds, but the 3E cosmology makes it so that you no longer can make direct transits to other worlds. That's part of the reason I ignore the new cosmology.
Well, you can create portals to other worlds-you just need to send them through the Plane of Shadow.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 28 Apr 2004 : 07:40:52
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Originally posted by aragorn II
Is there a way to go from Abeir-Toril to Krynn or to Athas or to the world of Greyhawk? That would be really awesome.
There was once a listing of the known portals (in 2e) that existed between worlds on the first Mimir site. I'll check my archives for you.
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Chyron
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Posted - 28 Apr 2004 : 09:27:01
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regarding portals, there was also a listing in the original box set of Ravenloft (or was it the 2nd ed hard bound book, i am sure it was one of those 2) of a few permanent portals that linked Fareun to the demi-plane. Given that the demi-plane is made up of various lands from various realms including Krynn and Oerth, you could feasibly get to one of them via that route, however getting out of Ravenloft would be no easy feat  and gong through Sigil as mentioned above might possibly prove the easier path. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 28 Apr 2004 : 10:41:29
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The one important factor to remember is that regardless of the avenue of travel, attention to the edition of the game you are playing in is paramount.
In 3e, Ravenloft has no access to any other worlds except through the strange transportative powers of the Mists, from the Dark Powers. And, since there's no official 3e Planescape, some DMs may simply choose to ignore Sigil in their 3e campaign.
That essentially leaves (among the few remaining) ancient high-magic portals, and access to the Shadow Plane.
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Faraer
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Posted - 28 Apr 2004 : 16:15:12
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Not the first time I've quoted the first of these, but quote:
I envisioned a multiverse of many, many parallel worlds (alternate, side-by-side Prime Material Planes, if you prefer), with Middle-Earth, Narnia, and many other favorite fantasy settings among them, all linked together with gates. There was once much travel between them (hence our own world's legends of dragons, etc., from before the links to other places became 'forgotten'), including huge migrations...until, inevitably, power groups of sinister and formidable beings fought to control access to/use of the gates. High-level campaign play in the 'original' Realms centered on PCs (unwittingly, at first) running afoul of some of these power groups, getting caught in the ongoing wars between them, and ending up as one such power group themselves.
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You could also do what I did in the ‘home’ Realms campaign, as outlined in the article I did in issue 37 of DRAGON: have it [Castlemorn] as one of many parallel Prime Material Planes linked by gates (3rd Edition: portals). This, by the way, is where the “Forgotten” part of “Forgotten Realms” came from: we people of real-world Earth have ‘forgotten’ the once-widely-used gates to Toril, which gave us our legends of vampires, dragons, et al.
World-linking gates are one of the basic premises of the Realms, responsible for their name, and later attempts to dilute this premise are without authority worth recognising. Such retcons are motivated by the business decision to make purchasers feel they're getting all the relevant info by buying Realms products, without needing to buy into other settings some of which Wizards no longer publishes, rather than concern for the Realms' integrity; and when the next ruleset or management or design team hits, it'll all change again. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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aragorn II
Learned Scribe
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101 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2004 : 04:16:09
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The thing is, I use second edition, not third.  |
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Arivia
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 May 2004 : 04:45:19
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| Waiit...do you use 3e or 2e? If you use 3e, than stick to what I, Wooly Rupert, and Kuje31 have said for the official way to look at it. In 2e, disregard our posts, and use everything else. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 09 May 2004 : 06:07:33
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Originally posted by aragorn II
The thing is, I use second edition, not third.
Worry not aragorn II, I've found that list I was talking about and it's in 2e . I'll have to send it to you via the ethereal mail service though, as I cannot post it here because I do not have the author's permission.
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Arivia
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Posted - 09 May 2004 : 06:42:27
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by aragorn II
The thing is, I use second edition, not third.
Worry not aragorn II, I've found that list I was talking about and it's in 2e . I'll have to send it to you via the ethereal mail service though, as I cannot post it here because I do not have the author's permission.
Can you throw it my way, too, Sage? I'd like to see this. |
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The Cardinal
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Posted - 09 May 2004 : 06:48:10
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| Actually We were wondering (since we're on the topic of portals from Toril to ... where ever) Are there any cities or gates that, because of a co-existence, happen to jump people from one world to the other. Say for example that there Was a castle Perilous in Dragonlance. Perhaps only in name or perhaps what it might have looked like in the past, or even being a copy of the standing Castle. So the party enters the castle then exits (for what ever reason, and find that while the castle remains the same the world is now that of Dragonlance and not Toril. Are there such 'portals' (if you could call this that)? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 09 May 2004 : 06:50:49
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Can you throw it my way, too, Sage? I'd like to see this.
Can do Arivia . In fact, I had it ready in anticipation of your request, as I had a feeling you would ask for this listing as well....
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Arivia
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Posted - 09 May 2004 : 06:58:53
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The Sage
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Posted - 09 May 2004 : 07:10:15
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Originally posted by Cardinal Deimos
Actually We were wondering (since we're on the topic of portals from Toril to ... where ever) Are there any cities or gates that, because of a co-existence, happen to jump people from one world to the other. Say for example that there Was a castle Perilous in Dragonlance. Perhaps only in name or perhaps what it might have looked like in the past, or even being a copy of the standing Castle. So the party enters the castle then exits (for what ever reason, and find that while the castle remains the same the world is now that of Dragonlance and not Toril. Are there such 'portals' (if you could call this that)?
There are several examples yes, although one is not exactly a portal.
The first (and non-portal examples) is the WorldSpire, a vast multi-planar structure built in the era before the time of the City of Doors. No one knows exactly where the WorldSpire is located. Some greybeards believe it lies in the void between the planes. Another theory suggests that it resides in the Astral Plane. The most commonly accepted belief for the location of the WorldSpire though, is an artifically created pocket dimension. Created by whom, generates even more debate.
The WorldSpire is of infinite length (think of the Spire in the Outlands), and is said to have a golden staircase running up (across) it's entire length. At each ascending level inside the Spire, a platform can be reached from the upward progressing staircase. On these platforms are doorways, each of which are made of a different material and each looking completely different from the ones before and after it. Each doorway opens a portal to a different Material Plane world...Toril, Krynn, Oerth, and Mystara are just a few examples (I believe there was also a doorway to Middle-Earth as well...a creation of some LotRs fans). There's a catch however. None of the portals are permanately attached to any specific doorway, so while one specific door may lead to Krynn on one day, it may also lead to Avernus the next.
The WorldSpire is nearly impossible to reach normally, only magical and/or psionic means can successfully bring a traveller to the base of the Spire. There are however, four known and very permanent portals (two of which are on Material Plane worlds) which allow casual access to the WorldSpire. Unfortunately their locations make them particularly difficult to access. The first lies in Nessus itself, at the heart of Malsheem. The second is said to be located under the ruins of Necropolis in the Realm of Dread. The third opens from the world of Krynn, but is in the possession of the Wizards of High Sorcery, and the fourth lies on Oerth...although only the Circle of Eight know it's exact whereabouts.
One of the Towers of High Sorcery on Krynn is said to be able to plane-shift to different Material Planes, almost randomly. I think that was done away with though, in 3e.
I'll have to do some research for the others, as these are the only two that I know well enough from memory.
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 09 May 2004 : 07:10:53
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Originally posted by Arivia
Can you throw it my way, too, Sage? I'd like to see this.
Can do Arivia . In fact, I had it ready in anticipation of your request, as I had a feeling you would ask for this listing as well....
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The Sage
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Posted - 09 May 2004 : 07:24:49
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You're a rock gnome though, aren't you? So really it would be from one tinker grome, to one rock gnome .
And yes, I've received the "ditto" (gosh I really dislike that word  ).
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 09 May 2004 : 07:25:25
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Originally posted by aragorn II
The thing is, I use second edition, not third.
Worry not aragorn II, I've found that list I was talking about and it's in 2e . I'll have to send it to you via the ethereal mail service though, as I cannot post it here because I do not have the author's permission.
I should like to get a copy of that, as well... |
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The Sage
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aragorn II
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Posted - 10 May 2004 : 19:29:03
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| One of the reasons that I asked this question is because in Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn, in the Planar Sphere quest, you meet some Solamnic Knights. Is this possible, or did they just throw that in there to promote Dragonlance? |
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Kuje
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Posted - 10 May 2004 : 19:56:53
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Originally posted by aragorn II
One of the reasons that I asked this question is because in Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn, in the Planar Sphere quest, you meet some Solamnic Knights. Is this possible, or did they just throw that in there to promote Dragonlance?
In 2e it is very possible. You see in 2e all the worlds of TSR were connected in a multiverse. FR, Greyhawk, Krynn, and many other prime worlds were all part of the Prime. The Prime was connected to the Inner Planes by the Ethereal and the Outer Planes by the Astral. The city of Sigil, at the top of the Spire of the Outlands, in the Outer Planes also has portals to all worlds and places and times.
Now to get around in the Prime from one crystal sphere to another, you could also use Spelljamming, which would allowed you to fly a ship through the "space" of a crystal sphere like Realmspace. Then you would pass into the Phlo and enter into Krynnspace if that was your destination. |
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Arivia
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Posted - 10 May 2004 : 21:32:47
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Hmmm...now what did Arivia just say about some people being particularly transparent...?
Anyway, it'll be on it's way soon Wooly.
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Lysander
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Posted - 11 May 2004 : 00:09:43
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You're a rock gnome though, aren't you? So really it would be from one tinker grome, to one rock gnome .
And yes, I've received the "ditto" (gosh I really dislike that word ).
Is this where we pile on to that request? 
Though, in my native 2E ( ;) ) the only world that wasn't easily reachable by any means is Aebrynis (Birthright).
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 11 May 2004 : 00:24:38
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Originally posted by Arivia
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Originally posted by The Sage
Hmmm...now what did Arivia just say about some people being particularly transparent...?
Anyway, it'll be on it's way soon Wooly.
Sage, if you sent me something-it didn't arrive.
I, too, did not receive anything... |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 11 May 2004 : 00:28:00
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Originally posted by Lysander
Is this where we pile on to that request?
Though, in my native 2E ( ;) ) the only world that wasn't easily reachable by any means is Aebrynis (Birthright).
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Actually, I believe that Athas was pretty much unreachable. I know you couldn't spelljam to there, and I believe there was something that limited planar travel to there, as well. |
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Chyron
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Posted - 11 May 2004 : 07:35:41
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This may be reaching a bit and not considered "Canon" by some folks, but in the last chapter of Neverwinter Nights (original game); the player(s) enter into the "Source Stone". The source stone was excavated in the tunnels below Neverwinter. Once inside the source stone there are many doors (which at the time are not able to be fully opened) but in peering beyond them descriptions of many different worlds are given. One NPC encountered within this area is actually a resident of one of these worlds (to which she returns). Now it is not precisely clear what all of these worlds are, but I recall the descriptions being strikingly similar to some we have all heard of. I will see if I can go back to that area and get the exact listings...
Anyway, there is no mention that the Source Stone itself was destroyed at the end of the game (and being an artifact made by the Creator Race it seems unlikely) so it is possibly still there and undergoing research.
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The Sage
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Posted - 11 May 2004 : 08:50:01
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Originally posted by aragorn II
One of the reasons that I asked this question is because in Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn, in the Planar Sphere quest, you meet some Solamnic Knights. Is this possible, or did they just throw that in there to promote Dragonlance?
It was a little of both actually. Since Kuje has already nicely covered the possibility of 2e planar travel, I'll simply finish by saying that it was once said that one of the game designers for BGII:SoA was also a huge DL fan. Since the Planar Sphere provided the opportunity for him to combine two aspects from his favorites games, he worked the idea into the actual CRPG. That's what is commonly believed...
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