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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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 Posted - 09 Jun 2004 : 04:10:11
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Cool, thanks. I didn't have terribly much time to flip thru the Draconomicon at the store today, but I failed to see anything addressing that issue. Thanks for the assist! 
It's worth a flip through. Heck, it's well worth a purchase and you know how picky I am about products these days. |
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Sarta
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 09 Jun 2004 : 05:20:42
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Not sure where you intend to go with it, but there are a few divine prc's that dragons can take which will convert their sorcerer abilities to priestly ability. So a dragon with level 7 sorcerer spell casting capability converts it to level 7 clerical spell casting ability. However, these are rather specialized prc's and may not affect what you are working on.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 09 Jun 2004 : 06:05:05
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Okay, so now a question of plausibility...
The dragon spends much, much time in demihuman or human form -- enough time to have acquired levels in a class that dragons normally wouldn't have, like rogue or fighter. Of course, the majority of the abilities from the class would only be usable in human/demihuman form -- a dragon would have a hard time trying to hide in shadows.
So, do you think this plausible?
Oh, and I do fully intend to get the Draconomicon. 'Tis just that resources are limited, so minor things like utilities and insurance have to be covered first.  |
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Sarta
Senior Scribe
USA
505 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jun 2004 : 10:38:50
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Okay, so now a question of plausibility...
The dragon spends much, much time in demihuman or human form -- enough time to have acquired levels in a class that dragons normally wouldn't have, like rogue or fighter. Of course, the majority of the abilities from the class would only be usable in human/demihuman form -- a dragon would have a hard time trying to hide in shadows.
So, do you think this plausible?
Definitely. Golds on average spend far more of their lives in demi-human form than dragon form for example.
There's a halfling paladin the pc's in my campaign have interacted with who's really a gold dragon. Of course, his pony's not too serviceable in dragon form, but he makes for a good pet.
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Sarelle
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09 Jun 2004 : 11:48:40
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1st of all: In FR particularly, dragons with class levels are as much the norm as not (the class mostly sorcerer, but we've had one that is a druid/rogue!) So giving them class levels to make them more interesting is a good idea.
2nd: Hmm... I don't know how you'd signify that the dragon is only that good at fighter / rogue in humanoid form. One of my dragons that I plan to write up is a rust dragon (planar, and thus non-spellcasting, dragon from Drac) with fighter levels - she is a really cunning killing machine. The thing is Drac barely focuses on dragons assuming humanoid form at all - there arn't any extra feats/rules about it.
I think you'll have to invent some feats or alternative rules to make that work game-wise.
Oh wait! How about you could just make his feats be focused on (Greater) Weapon Focus/Specialization with weapons that it can't hold in dragon form. Crafty, eh?  |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jun 2004 : 15:42:47
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Originally posted by Sarelle
1st of all: In FR particularly, dragons with class levels are as much the norm as not (the class mostly sorcerer, but we've had one that is a druid/rogue!) So giving them class levels to make them more interesting is a good idea.
Cool. 
Actually, that's one thing that's always bothered me about dragons. Some do spend a lot of time in human/demihuman form, but they never have any levels in anything from it... If, for example, a gold dragon spent a lot of time mingling among humans, why couldn't he or she have levels as a paladin?
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Originally posted by Sarelle
2nd: Hmm... I don't know how you'd signify that the dragon is only that good at fighter / rogue in humanoid form. One of my dragons that I plan to write up is a rust dragon (planar, and thus non-spellcasting, dragon from Drac) with fighter levels - she is a really cunning killing machine. The thing is Drac barely focuses on dragons assuming humanoid form at all - there arn't any extra feats/rules about it.
I just figure that some skills are better suited for use in human form. As I said earlier, a dragon rogue is gonna have a hard time hiding in shadows, unless he's in human/demihuman form.
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Originally posted by Sarelle
I think you'll have to invent some feats or alternative rules to make that work game-wise.
Oh wait! How about you could just make his feats be focused on (Greater) Weapon Focus/Specialization with weapons that it can't hold in dragon form. Crafty, eh?
That's mostly what I was looking at. A dragon that was specialized with a longsword would be pretty effective as a human, but when he's in dragon form, that sword is useless to him -- except maybe as a toothpick.
And here's an idea I had that I'm not gonna run with, so I'll just toss it out to the rest of y'all:
Both versions of the Draconomicon cover having dragons raised by another non-draconic race. And yet, we never seem to see dragons raised by orcs or humans or a lich, or anything like that.... |
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 10 Jun 2004 : 10:34:05
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I must say that your Dragon for this project is starting to sound particularly interesting Wooly. I am really looking forward to reading everyone's submissions.
Mine own work for this, should be ready by the end of the week.
I do have a question however . . . Where are we posting these Dragons of the East?
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Sarelle
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10 Jun 2004 : 14:45:04
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'Tis your project, Lady K! I'd post them in this thread, or another created especially for (and only for) the submissions.
I wouldn't think it would really matter either way, as I'm sure Al or Teth will be compiling it for publishing on the Candlekeep site rather than let it languish in the forums. |
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cpthero2
Great Reader
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Posted - 30 Sep 2018 : 18:12:17
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Great Reader Arivia,
lol...that was quite entertaining!
Best regards,
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Originally posted by Arivia
And to continue in the third-person tone...
Arivia responded:
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I'm interested in participating, and yes, I do have a copy of the Draconomicon...
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Higher Atlar
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