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Lady Kazandra
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Australia
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 Posted - 27 Apr 2004 : 07:55:24
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Here's a little idea that's been brewing in the WotC & FR News section of Candlekeep -
VEDSICA originally said:
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I wonder if Ed has any backlogged dragon articles????
to which, Lady Kazandra responded:
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Maybe it's a feature that we should continue here at Candlekeep. With note-worthy scribes like Faraer and George Krashos, our collective exposure to Realmslore has never been greater.
We could assign a particular type of theme for the 'dragon' article, like the WotN articles, and then spend the month putting the write-up and stats together.
Something to think about . . . 
and, Dargoth continued with:
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How about "Dragons of the East"
ie Dragons in the Dalelands, the Vast, the Cold lands and Unapproachable east, Moonsea etc
concluding, Lady Kazandra said:
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Well, that's a start. How about we gather some notes together and propose a few directions. There's a new months coming, so that will give us roughly four weeks to create something.
'Dragons of the East' is a definite possibility, and since it covers a broader landscape, there's more potential for very unique Wyrms.
I think the main thing we have to think about is whether everyone who wants to be involved has the Draconomicon tome?.
So, what does everyone think?.
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Arivia
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Apr 2004 : 08:08:49
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And to continue in the third-person tone...
Arivia responded:
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I'm interested in participating, and yes, I do have a copy of the Draconomicon...
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 27 Apr 2004 : 08:12:59
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Sorry . . . .
What can I say, other than I'm a Doctor Doom fan  .
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Posted - 27 Apr 2004 : 08:35:26
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Heres an idea
This late this year theres going to be a Realms of Dragons anthology which feature roughly 10 stories involving Dragons now if each author does a write up for the Dragon that appears in there story then see Ten new Dragons and next year where getting a 2nd Realms of Dragons anthology so thats another 10 Dragons... |
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Sarta
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 27 Apr 2004 : 09:36:00
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Has there ever been an official write up of Nevalarich, Augloroasa's cat's paw red dragon based in the SE corner of Cormyr?
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 27 Apr 2004 : 09:39:29
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Heres an idea
This late this year theres going to be a Realms of Dragons anthology which feature roughly 10 stories involving Dragons now if each author does a write up for the Dragon that appears in there story then see Ten new Dragons and next year where getting a 2nd Realms of Dragons anthology so thats another 10 Dragons...
Ah, I see where you're going. Okay then, but do we have any idea of the plots behind some of these dragon stories that are to be included in the anthologies?.
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 27 Apr 2004 : 09:41:17
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Originally posted by Sarta
Has there ever been an official write up of Nevalarich, Augloroasa's cat's paw red dragon based in the SE corner of Cormyr?
Sarta
I'm not entirely sure. I've never read anything about Nevalarich. Maybe George or Faraer has something on this . . .
Where did you read the first reference to this dragon?.
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Sarta
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 27 Apr 2004 : 10:49:54
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The first mention I believe was Elminster's Ecologies. He may also have been briefly mentioned in Volo's guide to Cormyr and is definitely talked about in the Cult of the Dragon. He's a big red dragon who has been known to attack ships traveling through the neck of the Sea of Fallen Stars. He's even been seen carrying entire ships aloft back to his lair in the Thunder Peaks.
What is not so well known is that not all of these attacks have been him. Quite often, the dracolich Augloroasa will disguise herself with illusions to look like Nevalarich and hunt for ships in the same region.
Supposedly there is a protection racket which funnels money to Augloroasa and perhaps Nevalarich to ward off attacks on paid up ships. I used him in a campaign once. The party I was running were level 2 and were taking passage through the neck on an Iron Throne ship that was paid up. Nevalarich did a fly by and subjected the crew to a bit of fear, but flew away, much to the party's relief.
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martynq
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Posted - 27 Apr 2004 : 11:46:27
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This sounds an interesting project to work on. For a long time I wondered about creating some sort of list of dragons referred to throughout the literature, but never quite got round to it.
If something like this project is going ahead, count me in for involvement.
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 27 Apr 2004 : 13:25:58
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It certainly seems to be gaining some interest. There's already several of us who are willing to contribute. It's really just a question of what type of theme or idea we want to set for this.
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 29 Apr 2004 : 13:58:01
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Has everyone lost interest already?.
I was hoping to come back today and find one or two interesting ideas put forward. . . 
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
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Posted - 29 Apr 2004 : 16:52:55
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Um... Are y'all aware that there's a database of Realms dragons, complete with sources, on this very site?
'Tis here.
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Well....met
Has...anybody..seen..... ah, there. You located it already, Wooly Rupert  Thank ye, I was about to bring the said scroll to all your attention |
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martynq
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Posted - 29 Apr 2004 : 17:26:15
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Nope, not seen that document before... looks terribly useful. I'm afraid I find it terribly difficult to locate such documents in the Candlekeep repository. I've no idea why, but there seems so much there that I've not had a good chance to browse thoroughly.
Anyway, back to Lady K... I guess it's a question of where to start. Do we want to start with one of the (non-deceased) known dragons listing in that aformentioned scroll and start developing some details and greater background? Or should each interested party spend some time developing a dragon each? Or should we create a new dragon previously unmentioned?
I guess the reason nobody has done anything yet is the potential is pretty much endless. Plenty of opportunity to do something interesting but also therefore rather daunting to actually get going without some sort of plan.
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Israfel666
Acolyte
Italy
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Posted - 02 May 2004 : 00:27:54
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| I personally find it an interesting project. I would recommend against using those dragons listed in the Database, because who knows which of them are people at WotC going to pick to make up a sidebar in the next sourcebook? What if one of us develops an incredibly cool idea about Topher, the brass dragon of the Serpent Hills, then Serpent Kingdoms comes out and there's a short, plot-hooky entry mentioning how the brass dragon Topher sacrificed himself to save his half-dragon offspring from his red neighbour Troberdene and now there's a really pissed off half-brass dragon wizard wandering the Realms and your PCs may just meet him and... you get my point? No, I believe it's better to walk our own path and make our own dragons. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 02 May 2004 : 07:32:13
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I agree with Israfel666's sentiments re being careful about using already noted FR dragons. However, the other thing to consider is that IMHO dragons seem to be more plentiful than they should be - it's a classic chuckle of the "unofficial" FR designers that the Thunder Peaks region near Cormyr seems to have more dragons per square mile than just about any other type of creature. If the theme is going to continue to be Dragons of the East I think that Israfel666's fears are unfounded. It's unlikely that this compass point of the Realms will be visited in any detail for the next 3 or 4 years, so I'd think that those wanting to detail dragons of Thay, Impiltur, Thesk, Aglarond etc should have pretty free rein. I'll see what I can come up with in the next week or so (and maybe give a few sneaky peeks on Impiltur's history ...)
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martynq
Seeker
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Posted - 04 May 2004 : 11:55:53
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I was wondering why there was no further progress on this over the weekend, but having seen the Sage's post in another location I now know why. In Lady K's (hopefully very temporary) absence, I thought it would be good to maintain the momentum (or better yet increase it).
OK, first thought: what is "the East"?
I thought we should be discussing dragons anywhere to the east of Cormyr and generally in the northern part of that bit of Faerûn. That is, to include the following areas: eastern Anauroch, Cormyr, the Dalelands, Moonsea, the Cold Lands, the Unapproachable East, the Hordelands, Thay and the Dragon Reach.
Here, I'm thinking that the Vilhon Reach and Old Empires fit more into a "Dragons of the South" type project (for the future?).
Does everyone think that is roughly the right area?
Given the wise comments made about not using dragons that could be exploited by WotC soon, it seems to me the sensible thing to do is to work through the list of dragons given and look for a region that is lacking in draconic activity and create a dragon (or three) to fit there first.
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D-brane
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 07 May 2004 : 07:41:08
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I think your 'east' definition fits nicely martynq.
I assume though that by "Unapproachable East", you are including Rashemen?.
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martynq
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Posted - 07 May 2004 : 11:02:41
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Yes, Rashemen is in the sourcebook of the same name, so is in the Unapproachable East.
Martyn
P.S. I've not got very far through the list of dragons mentioned above, but so far there seems very few in the region under discussion. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 08 May 2004 : 03:21:25
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Perhaps the focus of "east" should be expanded then. Say, everything from the Great Glacier in the north, to Dambrath in the south. That covers a rather expansive region of eastern Faerun.
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martynq
Seeker
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Posted - 08 May 2004 : 12:18:46
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I viewed it a different way - if there are not too many dragons listed it rather indicated plenty of opportunity to create new ones. This also fits with the discussion above where it was felt better to avoid detailing established dragons that might be used in future official products.
(Not sure how well it fits into the "Sages of Realmslore" section of these forums though... should this be moved elsewhere?)
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 08 May 2004 : 15:14:47
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That may be the better option then. New creations will work nicely I believe. Although, since this is the Lady K's little project, I think I'll let her address it more when she gets back .
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Sarelle
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 14 May 2004 : 16:02:03
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As I said on the 'Dragon Population' thread (thanks for the link Sage) I have a comprehensive list of known (and either living or undead) canon, official, near-official, or my own homebrew dragons of Faerūn, with quite a few dragons of the East.
If anyone wants this (I've PMed Lady K to ask if she wants it) then I will attach it to an e-mail (it's in a table, so I can't copy+paste).
I would approximate that I've created the basics for about 5-8 homebrew dragons in the area I'd call 'the East'. I would be happy to supply any of these basic bits of info if you decide to use any of my stuff.
Any way I can help. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 14 May 2004 : 16:35:15
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Originally posted by Sarelle
As I said on the 'Dragon Population' thread (thanks for the link Sage) I have a comprehensive list of known (and either living or undead) canon, official, near-official, or my own homebrew dragons of Faerūn, with quite a few dragons of the East.
If anyone wants this (I've PMed Lady K to ask if she wants it) then I will attach it to an e-mail (it's in a table, so I can't copy+paste).
I would approximate that I've created the basics for about 5-8 homebrew dragons in the area I'd call 'the East'. I would be happy to supply any of these basic bits of info if you decide to use any of my stuff.
Any way I can help.
If you scroll up, you'll find a link to a spot on this site where someone has compiled all the dragon references they could find in FR lore into one spot... |
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Sarelle
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Posted - 14 May 2004 : 19:13:10
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Ooh! Sorry - didn't see the link. Thanks Rupert.
However, checking it, I've already seen three in mine not in that list. I'll update mine (he has a lot I don't  ) and it is still available, if people want to see it.
Plus, mine has some not-so-official dragons (those of SKR's site, and on the 'official' Faerūn Campaign website, that went down about a year ago. And it has my own dragons, so it is still applicable.
As I said, I am here to help!
(And to get my young Thayan brown dragon, Hazzler Strifebreath, at least noted in this project!  He's my fave.) |
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Israfel666
Acolyte
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Posted - 14 May 2004 : 20:05:56
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I'll throw down a few ideas to develop - see if any makes any of you tick...
Kralajibrazaj, a young song dragon who joined the ranks of the Hathran (in disguise, of course)
Egrigaanofk, an old red who, over the years, moved slowly but constantly north towards the Great Glacier, trying to build up resistance to cold in order to finally be able to face off his old arch-nemesis, i.e...
... Sernialikavilak, a mature adult silver who once rescued an archon from imprisonment (by the Red Wizard, perhaps?) and got initiated into the secrets of Heaven ever since (Exalted material?)
Maerivanikaz, an ancient steel living in one of the Dales, who's been scheming for years in the hope of getting her claws on Elminster's library
Drunitajinevax, an adult blue who gathered several dozen (Dragon) disciples around him in Raurin, none knows to what end
And to use some Draconomicon stuff...
Whroshtinihan, an ethereal dragon who's been sighted in Aglarond on the birth days of particularly saintly individuals
Rorrokirinkur, a mountain landwyrm enemy of all thomils |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 14 May 2004 : 22:43:57
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Originally posted by Israfel666
I'll throw down a few ideas to develop - see if any makes any of you tick...
Kralajibrazaj, a young song dragon who joined the ranks of the Hathran (in disguise, of course)
Egrigaanofk, an old red who, over the years, moved slowly but constantly north towards the Great Glacier, trying to build up resistance to cold in order to finally be able to face off his old arch-nemesis, i.e...
... Sernialikavilak, a mature adult silver who once rescued an archon from imprisonment (by the Red Wizard, perhaps?) and got initiated into the secrets of Heaven ever since (Exalted material?)
Maerivanikaz, an ancient steel living in one of the Dales, who's been scheming for years in the hope of getting her claws on Elminster's library
Drunitajinevax, an adult blue who gathered several dozen (Dragon) disciples around him in Raurin, none knows to what end
And to use some Draconomicon stuff...
Whroshtinihan, an ethereal dragon who's been sighted in Aglarond on the birth days of particularly saintly individuals
Rorrokirinkur, a mountain landwyrm enemy of all thomils
Hmm, I particularly like that first idea, though I don't know if I'd drop her into Rashemen...
Some of the other ideas are good, too. |
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Sarta
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 15 May 2004 : 01:59:45
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I've been personally toying around with a brown dragon living beneath the temple of Set in Raurin.
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The Sage
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Sarta
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 16 May 2004 : 01:15:45
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I'm still of two minds about it. Raurin has quite a few browns. I'm still not sure what relationship I would want her to have with the temple of Set. On the one hand she could be a younger one that has been lured into aiding the temple or on the other hand, she could be an older dragon using the temple for her own purposes.
I'm tempted to shelve the idea until the Serpents source book comes out in case new pertinent material shows up there.
Sarta
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Dargoth
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Posted - 16 May 2004 : 01:50:07
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| Im working on a Black Dragon that lives in the Moonsea region |
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