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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
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 Posted - 17 Apr 2019 : 16:58:19
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So my wife and I were watching the tv show "The Goldbergs" (which I recommend to everyone!) and an episode called "Dungeons & Dragons Anyone?" came on (for sure at least watch that one!).
It got me to thinking though: how often might Elminster have visited Earth PRIOR to visiting Ed???
Was he at Woodstock? Did he see the World Wars? The Hundred Years War? How far back does his visitation go...
And if it was way back, did he use his visits to inspire people down certain paths.
The reason I'm being silly with this is that I'm thinking of having the party go through a "reverse portal" to Earth for an adventure where they have to recover something lost through the portal.
Would this be a good point for Elminster to encounter the group for the first time as sort of a "Lets get you all home so you don't mess up Earth!" or what have you.
Does the party go to a local library to recover a tome only to discover Ed Greenwood talking to Elminster...or even later and El is in disguise handing out rulebooks for D&D?
Not sure where to go with this one...but the question remains:
How long has Elminster been visiting Earth before Ed Greenwood was alive? 
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Edited by - Dalor Darden on 17 Apr 2019 16:59:43
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Apr 2019 : 17:19:02
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I found Yellowstone at about 1894...
Still looking for earlier.
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changed to correct year...thanks Wooly |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 17 Apr 2019 : 17:21:10
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According to Realmspace, he has a portal keyed to Yellowstone National Park, in 1894.
On a related note, I recently asked Ed if anyone from the Realms had gone to Earth and stayed there -- after all, we know of multiple wizards that have gone to Ed's place, or to TSR headquarters. I also asked if any dragons had journeyed to Earth.
Ed's response was that there was a big NDA in place, there. |
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Apr 2019 : 17:22:45
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
According to Realmspace, he has a portal keyed to Yellowstone National Park, in 1894.
On a related note, I recently asked Ed if anyone from the Realms had gone to Earth and stayed there -- after all, we know of multiple wizards that have gone to Ed's place, or to TSR headquarters. I also asked if any dragons had journeyed to Earth.
Ed's response was that there was a big NDA in place, there.
Sounds like a big fat yes.  |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
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Posted - 18 Apr 2019 : 17:05:12
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| Was El SECRETLY also visiting George Lucas and showed him a brilliant energy vorpal weapon? Were "star destroyers" actually just spelljammers, and travelling at light speed simply passing through a crystal sphere? |
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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer
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Posted - 18 Apr 2019 : 17:14:12
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Originally posted by Dalor Darden
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
According to Realmspace, he has a portal keyed to Yellowstone National Park, in 1894.
On a related note, I recently asked Ed if anyone from the Realms had gone to Earth and stayed there -- after all, we know of multiple wizards that have gone to Ed's place, or to TSR headquarters. I also asked if any dragons had journeyed to Earth.
Ed's response was that there was a big NDA in place, there.
Sounds like a big fat yes.
I'm guessing Will Wheaton. He seems like a Red Wizard of Thay. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
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Posted - 18 Apr 2019 : 17:47:25
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Originally posted by ericlboyd
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Originally posted by Dalor Darden
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
According to Realmspace, he has a portal keyed to Yellowstone National Park, in 1894.
On a related note, I recently asked Ed if anyone from the Realms had gone to Earth and stayed there -- after all, we know of multiple wizards that have gone to Ed's place, or to TSR headquarters. I also asked if any dragons had journeyed to Earth.
Ed's response was that there was a big NDA in place, there.
Sounds like a big fat yes.
I'm guessing Will Wheaton. He seems like a Red Wizard of Thay.
Nah, not enough tattoos.... unless he's using a hat of disguise.... hmmm.... |
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The Arcanamach
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 19 Apr 2019 : 00:00:59
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| Well crap, I HATE NDAs lol. Now I'm reeeaaallly interested to know who is hiding out on Earth. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 19 Apr 2019 : 03:24:52
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Originally posted by The Arcanamach
Well crap, I HATE NDAs lol. Now I'm reeeaaallly interested to know who is hiding out on Earth.
It's Bill Gates. He's secretly a Red Wizard. It was, in fact, his idea for the Thayan mercantile enclaves. The early ones were partially funded by sales of Windows 98. |
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The Arcanamach
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 19 Apr 2019 : 17:10:55
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| Honestly, I'm thinking it would be agents of certain power groups but I now have this nagging suspicion in my head that, among groups such as the Harpers and the Zhentarim, one of the most likely candidates would be the Twisted Rune...and that's scary. |
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moonbeast
Senior Scribe
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522 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2019 : 16:55:58
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Originally posted by Dalor Darden
So my wife and I were watching the tv show "The Goldbergs" (which I recommend to everyone!) and an episode called "Dungeons & Dragons Anyone?" came on (for sure at least watch that one!).
It got me to thinking though: how often might Elminster have visited Earth PRIOR to visiting Ed???
Was he at Woodstock? Did he see the World Wars? The Hundred Years War? How far back does his visitation go...
And if it was way back, did he use his visits to inspire people down certain paths.
I sure hope Elminster was always mindful of the "Prime Directive" hehehe.
P.S. D&D's canonical Baba Yaga is also a time traveller. But she was apparently a meddler in Earth history. In the old Dragon Magazine article adventure devoted to her, Baba's Hut is spacious inside (like a dimensional pocket with vast amount of space), and she has a museum that contains a Soviet tank, among other "trophies" she collected from the past.
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moonbeast
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 20 Apr 2019 : 16:57:47
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Originally posted by sleyvas
Was El SECRETLY also visiting George Lucas and showed him a brilliant energy vorpal weapon? Were "star destroyers" actually just spelljammers, and travelling at light speed simply passing through a crystal sphere?
I posit that Jar Jar Binks only existed because of El's meddling in 1980s Earth history. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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36803 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2019 : 17:05:41
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Originally posted by moonbeast
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Originally posted by Dalor Darden
So my wife and I were watching the tv show "The Goldbergs" (which I recommend to everyone!) and an episode called "Dungeons & Dragons Anyone?" came on (for sure at least watch that one!).
It got me to thinking though: how often might Elminster have visited Earth PRIOR to visiting Ed???
Was he at Woodstock? Did he see the World Wars? The Hundred Years War? How far back does his visitation go...
And if it was way back, did he use his visits to inspire people down certain paths.
I sure hope Elminster was always mindful of the "Prime Directive" hehehe.
P.S. D&D's canonical Baba Yaga is also a time traveller. But she was apparently a meddler in Earth history. In the old Dragon Magazine article adventure devoted to her, Baba's Hut is spacious inside (like a dimensional pocket with vast amount of space), and she has a museum that contains a Soviet tank, among other "trophies" she collected from the past.
Baba Yaga has shown up in a lot of RPG settings. She's a fourth-generation Nosferatu in the old Vampire: The Masquerade game; there are some scary D&D versions of her (depending on edition); in Pathfinder, she conquered one of the northern nations in a matter of days *and* is the mother of the historical Rasputin; and the Iron Kingdoms even has a version of her -- though they just call her the Old Witch and make her a powerful warcaster. |
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Rymac
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 21 Apr 2019 : 03:13:05
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
According to Realmspace, he has a portal keyed to Yellowstone National Park, in 1894.
On a related note, I recently asked Ed if anyone from the Realms had gone to Earth and stayed there -- after all, we know of multiple wizards that have gone to Ed's place, or to TSR headquarters. I also asked if any dragons had journeyed to Earth.
Ed's response was that there was a big NDA in place, there.
My 1st thought was, so Manshoon hid a clone here as well. And Azoun IV may have visited Earth in his ne'er do well youth. |
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The Arcanamach
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 21 Apr 2019 : 13:43:54
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My 1st thought was, so Manshoon hid a clone here as well. And Azoun IV may have visited Earth in his ne'er do well youth.
Now THIS I like. The idea that Azoun had a love-child on Earth brings up all sorts of cool possibilities. I wonder if he was at Woodstock?
Manshoon stashing a clone here raises the question as to why he didn't port over any tech to the Realms. Imagine the Zhentarim with modern firearms at their disposal. |
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LordofBones
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 21 Apr 2019 : 14:24:47
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Any spellcaster could casually declare himself absolute god-king of Earth. There's exactly diddly-squat that anyone could do against high level wizards.
Basically, this is a can of worms that nobody needs to open. Manshoon could declare himself God-Emperor and barring PIS, there is nothing anyone could do to stop the teleporting, mind-reading psycho who could be anywhere on the planet, listening in on your private conversations while chilling and enjoying a pina colada while disguised as the President of the United States. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 21 Apr 2019 : 15:02:04
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Originally posted by LordofBones
Any spellcaster could casually declare himself absolute god-king of Earth. There's exactly diddly-squat that anyone could do against high level wizards.
Basically, this is a can of worms that nobody needs to open. Manshoon could declare himself God-Emperor and barring PIS, there is nothing anyone could do to stop the teleporting, mind-reading psycho who could be anywhere on the planet, listening in on your private conversations while chilling and enjoying a pina colada while disguised as the President of the United States.
Ah, but who's to say that there aren't people here to prevent exactly that sort of thing from happening? |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
11827 Posts |
Posted - 21 Apr 2019 : 16:01:59
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Originally posted by moonbeast
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Originally posted by Dalor Darden
So my wife and I were watching the tv show "The Goldbergs" (which I recommend to everyone!) and an episode called "Dungeons & Dragons Anyone?" came on (for sure at least watch that one!).
It got me to thinking though: how often might Elminster have visited Earth PRIOR to visiting Ed???
Was he at Woodstock? Did he see the World Wars? The Hundred Years War? How far back does his visitation go...
And if it was way back, did he use his visits to inspire people down certain paths.
I sure hope Elminster was always mindful of the "Prime Directive" hehehe.
P.S. D&D's canonical Baba Yaga is also a time traveller. But she was apparently a meddler in Earth history. In the old Dragon Magazine article adventure devoted to her, Baba's Hut is spacious inside (like a dimensional pocket with vast amount of space), and she has a museum that contains a Soviet tank, among other "trophies" she collected from the past.
So... Baba Yaga is a time traveler... who uses a transportive device that's larger on the inside than the outside.... could it be that one of the reincarnations of Doctor Wh... no don't even think it
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
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11827 Posts |
Posted - 21 Apr 2019 : 16:06:10
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by LordofBones
Any spellcaster could casually declare himself absolute god-king of Earth. There's exactly diddly-squat that anyone could do against high level wizards.
Basically, this is a can of worms that nobody needs to open. Manshoon could declare himself God-Emperor and barring PIS, there is nothing anyone could do to stop the teleporting, mind-reading psycho who could be anywhere on the planet, listening in on your private conversations while chilling and enjoying a pina colada while disguised as the President of the United States.
Ah, but who's to say that there aren't people here to prevent exactly that sort of thing from happening?
Yeah, are you saying I'm lazy and not doing my jo.... I mean, um, yes, yes, you're right, that's very scary. I mean he could be the president... or the pope... I mean he's probably Vladimir Putin himself. |
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moonbeast
Senior Scribe
USA
522 Posts |
Posted - 21 Apr 2019 : 22:47:17
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Originally posted by LordofBones
Any spellcaster could casually declare himself absolute god-king of Earth. There's exactly diddly-squat that anyone could do against high level wizards.
Basically, this is a can of worms that nobody needs to open. Manshoon could declare himself God-Emperor and barring PIS, there is nothing anyone could do to stop the teleporting, mind-reading psycho who could be anywhere on the planet, listening in on your private conversations while chilling and enjoying a pina colada while disguised as the President of the United States.
But Doctor Who would stop him dead in his tracks. |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 28 Apr 2019 : 01:56:57
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| -I remember I brought this up years ago at the WotC boards in relation to the coming 4e time jump and the weirdness it would cause regarding the portals/connections to Earth and someone reported me and tried to get me banned for threatening Ed Greenwood. Good times, lol. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36803 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2019 : 05:21:04
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Originally posted by Lord Karsus
-I remember I brought this up years ago at the WotC boards in relation to the coming 4e time jump and the weirdness it would cause regarding the portals/connections to Earth and someone reported me and tried to get me banned for threatening Ed Greenwood. Good times, lol.
I do not miss those forums at all. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
11827 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2019 : 14:31:18
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Originally posted by Lord Karsus
-I remember I brought this up years ago at the WotC boards in relation to the coming 4e time jump and the weirdness it would cause regarding the portals/connections to Earth and someone reported me and tried to get me banned for threatening Ed Greenwood. Good times, lol.
Sheesh... all you wanted to do was warn El so that he could make an adjustment to appear at the right coordinates in the time/space continuum. Some people. |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
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BrennonGoldeye
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 30 Apr 2019 : 22:08:05
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Originally posted by Lord Karsus
-It was someone who posted here too.
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Delnyn
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 05 May 2019 : 01:02:08
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| Perhaps there are still Imaskari portals connecting to what is now Egypt and Iraq. When the Imaskari wizards abducted the Mulan people, I would expect the grabbed Mulhorandi, Untheric and Chessentan people from these areas. |
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Delnyn
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 05 May 2019 : 01:12:47
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by LordofBones
Any spellcaster could casually declare himself absolute god-king of Earth. There's exactly diddly-squat that anyone could do against high level wizards.
Basically, this is a can of worms that nobody needs to open. Manshoon could declare himself God-Emperor and barring PIS, there is nothing anyone could do to stop the teleporting, mind-reading psycho who could be anywhere on the planet, listening in on your private conversations while chilling and enjoying a pina colada while disguised as the President of the United States.
Ah, but who's to say that there aren't people here to prevent exactly that sort of thing from happening?
Would it also be reasonable to assume Earth does not have a Weave like Toril? Spellcasting would be far more difficult and presumably far riskier to the caster. Earth building that have been remodeled over the centuries would be death traps when teleporting with 500 year old outdated memories.
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Lord Karsus
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Posted - 05 May 2019 : 07:45:38
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| -I really don't remember or not, but isn't it only heavily alluded but not actually downright said that the Imaskari abducted people from Earth and not actually explicitly said? Meaning there might not be Imaskari portals. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 05 May 2019 : 15:25:10
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Originally posted by Delnyn
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by LordofBones
Any spellcaster could casually declare himself absolute god-king of Earth. There's exactly diddly-squat that anyone could do against high level wizards.
Basically, this is a can of worms that nobody needs to open. Manshoon could declare himself God-Emperor and barring PIS, there is nothing anyone could do to stop the teleporting, mind-reading psycho who could be anywhere on the planet, listening in on your private conversations while chilling and enjoying a pina colada while disguised as the President of the United States.
Ah, but who's to say that there aren't people here to prevent exactly that sort of thing from happening?
Would it also be reasonable to assume Earth does not have a Weave like Toril? Spellcasting would be far more difficult and presumably far riskier to the caster. Earth building that have been remodeled over the centuries would be death traps when teleporting with 500 year old outdated memories.
It may or may not have a Weave, but given the battle between Elminster, Dalamar, Mordenkainen, and Shaaan the Serpent Queen -- as well as visits by other Realms mages -- we can assume that magic is functionally similar.
Remember, the Weave is basically just a power grid. Your house and my house might be wired different, but take a lamp from one, and it'll function the same in the other. |
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Eltheron
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Posted - 05 May 2019 : 16:40:34
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Some fun questions:
a) If there's a Weave or something that allows magic to work on Earth... and I think we must assume it does as far as the game goes (per Wooly's reasoning above)... how and why have there never been any public displays of magic, accidental or otherwise? Especially after the spread of multimedia with camera phones, are all attempts to "show the world magic exists" stymied in some way?
b) Elminster never does anything without a deeper, craftier reason, so why would he promote knowledge of Abeir-Toril through a game? Are gamers more likely to be accepting or understanding of other worlds through magic portals? Or does he need/want at least a segment of the population to know? |
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The Arcanamach
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 05 May 2019 : 20:10:59
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the battle between Elminster, Dalamar, Mordenkainen, and Shaaan the Serpent Queen
What battle? Where can I find info on this? |
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