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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
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 Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 05:23:42
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I most recently posted my character portrait at our Yahoo group under pictures. Take a look...  |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 06:25:11
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Well, first, I've joined, pending verification. (You need not tell me when you've done it, by the way, since there's an automatic email sent.)
Second, Arivia, did you take a close look at Salabasha's "Combat Artist"? I can't read PDFs on this computer, but the Combat Artist is also unbalanced. In fact, it's not even following the normal rules for a D&D class, so I'm not even going to offer to clean it up.
Salabasha, can't you just use a normal fighter or monk? Even if you don't have the books, you can get everything you actually need from the SRD I linked to.
Finally, how exactly are the characters with ECL increases going to be treated? The standard way, as highlighted in an official article from the WotC website (though I can't find it now  ), is to give them negative levels equal to their racial modifier.
In case no one knows what I'm talking about, that means that Wood Elf Ranger's assimar character would start out with an ECL of 2, but have one negative level (-1 on attack, saves, checks, etc) to balance out the "level" from his character's race. Once that character got to 1,000 XP, that negative level would go away.
Anyway, I wanted to know how it was going to be handled in this game. I've already rolled out my (future) character, should he come into play, though I haven't decided what race he'll be. |
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Wood Elf Ranger
Senior Scribe
USA
627 Posts |
Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 06:46:39
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I thought it was just going to be where those of us with +ECL's would just level up slower. So we may be a tad powerful in the beginning but it should even out soon enough. But that was just my understanding. *shrugs*  |
~Lee N.
"Breaktime yes?!.. Yes?.. Maybe?.. Noo, baaack to work.." -Grovel the Goblin from NWN: HotU |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 07:29:48
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| Well, the thing is, ordinarily the effective character level is the level of experience as well. That is, an ECL 2 character needs at least 1,000 xp, the minimum to put him/her at character level two. In this case, since more ordinary races are starting out at level one, giving the higher-powered races exactly enough experience points to reach such a level would actually be giving them an advantage. |
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
921 Posts |
Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 09:01:26
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Originally posted by Wood Elf Ranger
Don't forget to sign up at our Yahoo group Lady Kazandra
Thanks for the reminder Wood Elf, I intend to do just that  .
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Cherrn
Learned Scribe
Denmark
323 Posts |
Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 12:10:46
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Originally posted by Shadowlord
Well, Arivia, this truly seems to have become a bit more popular since we last talked. My choice for a PC will be a halfling rogue (a nice change from being always elven). My idea is that he comes from Amn, and is an ex-member of the Shadow Thief guild. Questions, comments, concerns about such a PC? Also, I'm awaiting your informational e-mail... JAM1122@comcast.net if you didn't already know...
Cursed you Shadowlord!! I was gonna play a halfling rogue as well!!!
My internet doesn't work right now sadly (using university comp), I should get my own to work during the next couple of days. Ill get an email to ya as soon as I can with stats and background |
A wise man from Calimport once told me: "If a merchant puts sand in the flask of oil he's trying to sell you, then he isn't trying to sell you sand..." |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 12:25:50
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Originally posted by Cherrn
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Originally posted by Shadowlord
Well, Arivia, this truly seems to have become a bit more popular since we last talked. My choice for a PC will be a halfling rogue (a nice change from being always elven). My idea is that he comes from Amn, and is an ex-member of the Shadow Thief guild. Questions, comments, concerns about such a PC? Also, I'm awaiting your informational e-mail... JAM1122@comcast.net if you didn't already know...
Cursed you Shadowlord!! I was gonna play a halfling rogue as well!!!
Why don't you? The interaction would be interesting... |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 12:31:35
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Originally posted by Bookwyrm
Well, first, I've joined, pending verification. (You need not tell me when you've done it, by the way, since there's an automatic email sent.)
The dead horse says "Ye-Neigh."
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Second, Arivia, did you take a close look at Salabasha's "Combat Artist"? I can't read PDFs on this computer, but the Combat Artist is also unbalanced. In fact, it's not even following the normal rules for a D&D class, so I'm not even going to offer to clean it up.
Salabasha, can't you just use a normal fighter or monk? Even if you don't have the books, you can get everything you actually need from the SRD I linked to.
I'll take another look at it; I must have been incoherent when doing so.
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Finally, how exactly are the characters with ECL increases going to be treated? The standard way, as highlighted in an official article from the WotC website (though I can't find it now ), is to give them negative levels equal to their racial modifier.
In case no one knows what I'm talking about, that means that Wood Elf Ranger's assimar character would start out with an ECL of 2, but have one negative level (-1 on attack, saves, checks, etc) to balance out the "level" from his character's race. Once that character got to 1,000 XP, that negative level would go away.
Anyway, I wanted to know how it was going to be handled in this game. I've already rolled out my (future) character, should he come into play, though I haven't decided what race he'll be.
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I thought it was just going to be where those of us with +ECL's would just level up slower. So we may be a tad powerful in the beginning but it should even out soon enough. But that was just my understanding. *shrugs*
This is essentially it. So all those ECL 3 characters have 3,000 xp, and must acquire an additional 3,000 xp to get a second HD. However, they will have to do this by way of gaining experience off EL 1-2 encounters as 3rd level characters, while the ECL 1 characters will be gaining the experience as 1st level characters. Conversely, the ECL 1 characters will gain more xp in a shorter period of time, and things will eventually even out. |
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Fireheart
Learned Scribe
USA
109 Posts |
Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 14:13:43
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Originally posted by Arivia
This is essentially it. So all those ECL 3 characters have 3,000 xp, and must acquire an additional 3,000 xp to get a second HD. However, they will have to do this by way of gaining experience off EL 1-2 encounters as 3rd level characters, while the ECL 1 characters will be gaining the experience as 1st level characters. Conversely, the ECL 1 characters will gain more xp in a shorter period of time, and things will eventually even out.
That works for me...
Okay balance question...I was working on a rogue combination leading to the arcane trickster...if Chern and Shadowlord are also playing rogues...that's 3 in out of the 6...I think that might be a bit much...3 small rogues in one group...
If you're willing, Arivia, I'd be willing to switch my gloaming rogue to an battle sorcerer (from Unearthed Arcana) if you'd be okay with keeping that still her favored class. (Normal favored class being sorcerer). I'd have to rewrite her background a bit but would be okay with that.
Thoughts?
~Fireheart |
I believe in what I see/I believe in what I hear/I believe that what I'm feeling/Changes how the world appears
-Rush "Totem" |
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Wood Elf Ranger
Senior Scribe
USA
627 Posts |
Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 15:17:33
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3 Rogues! Yipes! We're gonna need some more muscle and especially some more magic Since I don't have Unearthed Arcana I would have to guess what a battle sorcerer would be like but it sounds like a good addition to our group. Hmm maybe your character picked it up while in Thay? Could be an interesting story there as well 
You might have to drop your unique weapon combo idea you had described to me in e-mail before and just concentrate on casting spells but yeah I think that would be cool as long as Arivia approves of course |
~Lee N.
"Breaktime yes?!.. Yes?.. Maybe?.. Noo, baaack to work.." -Grovel the Goblin from NWN: HotU |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 16:06:15
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| Well, look at it this way, you have that much more expertise when dealing with the darker parts of Silverymoon (actually, I don't think Silverymoon has any darker parts)... |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Salabasha
Learned Scribe
Portugal
216 Posts |
Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 16:47:40
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| First off, Bookwyrm, the combat Artist is considered a "Classic" on the website that I found it upon. These means it is of AVERAGE power, or so says the person in control of the site. Secondly, besides getting a pretty cool weapon, what does a combat artist get? Nothing of the sort. And how isn't it following the normal rules? It gets feats that only kick in when they are using the weapon of their choice. If anything, that is an disadvantage since they don't work with other weapons. The BAB is normal as well as the Saves. I clearly cannot see how this is unbalanced. Wow, I get to imbue my weapon. While you guys are finding who knows what magical items, I have to stick with this solitary weapon. |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 23:30:53
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Originally posted by Fireheart
If you're willing, Arivia, I'd be willing to switch my gloaming rogue to an battle sorcerer (from Unearthed Arcana) if you'd be okay with keeping that still her favored class. (Normal favored class being sorcerer). I'd have to rewrite her background a bit but would be okay with that.
It's fine. By the way, it's a sorcerer variant, so it would still count as her favored class.
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Originally posted by Salabasha
First off, Bookwyrm, the combat Artist is considered a "Classic" on the website that I found it upon. These means it is of AVERAGE power, or so says the person in control of the site. Secondly, besides getting a pretty cool weapon, what does a combat artist get? Nothing of the sort. And how isn't it following the normal rules? It gets feats that only kick in when they are using the weapon of their choice. If anything, that is an disadvantage since they don't work with other weapons. The BAB is normal as well as the Saves. I clearly cannot see how this is unbalanced. Wow, I get to imbue my weapon. While you guys are finding who knows what magical items, I have to stick with this solitary weapon.
I actually find myself agreeing with him, Bookwyrm. Can you support your side of the argument? |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2004 : 05:16:55
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It's up to you, Arivia. I don't like the class, and I wouldn't allow it in a game I was running. However, the point is, I'm not running a game, much less this one.
If you think it's all right, then I won't say any more.
Incidentally, I sent you an email, in case you didn't check before coming here. |
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Wood Elf Ranger
Senior Scribe
USA
627 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2004 : 06:02:08
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After reading about this Combat Artist class I'm going to have to side with Bookwyrm. I understand his reasons but these are my own for not really liking this class. Of course as always its up to you Arivia but I would like to share my opinion as well.
- Kranzas the CA god is not a Faerunian god, nuff said
- Even though he can only use one weapon after all those Imbue extras he is going to have one super uber weapon.
- How does the style of this character fit in with our campaign? It sounds more like an assasin guild for hire not caring who they kill I don't understand how these characters could be anything but evil.
Again this is just my opinion for what its worth. |
~Lee N.
"Breaktime yes?!.. Yes?.. Maybe?.. Noo, baaack to work.." -Grovel the Goblin from NWN: HotU |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2004 : 06:16:06
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Actually, the main reason I don't like it is because as a "class feature" the weapon gets imbued with a random but powerful and completely free effect. There's also no penalty for losing a weapon, since the effects carry over.
That's why I think it's unbalanced. But it's up to Arivia, not me. |
Hell hath no fury like all of Candlekeep rising in defense of one of its own.
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Wood Elf Ranger
Senior Scribe
USA
627 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2004 : 06:35:51
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| After some contemplation, Salabasha why don't you just go with a human (extra feat at first level) Fighter and the Weaponmaster PrC? Its just a sugguestion perhaps Bookwym or some other learned scribe can direct you to information on this class and PrC if you do not have the tomes yourself. |
~Lee N.
"Breaktime yes?!.. Yes?.. Maybe?.. Noo, baaack to work.." -Grovel the Goblin from NWN: HotU |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2004 : 12:44:17
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Now I get the issue. I did speak to Salabasha about the fact that we did have to localize it to the Realms, but now I do see the real problem.
Sorry, but no, Salabasha. Bookie's right. |
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Fireheart
Learned Scribe
USA
109 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2004 : 13:29:32
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Salabasha,
Thought...if the imbuing capability is something you like...what about creating a character based toward taking the Kensai from Complete Warrior as a prestige class, a fighter I guess would be the best... They get some whifty abilities to their weapon well at the same time offering an amazing amount of roleplaying capability.
-Fireheart |
I believe in what I see/I believe in what I hear/I believe that what I'm feeling/Changes how the world appears
-Rush "Totem" |
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Wood Elf Ranger
Senior Scribe
USA
627 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2004 : 13:58:56
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| The Sword Dancer PrC (pp. 205 Faiths and Pantheons) is also something you might enjoy Salabasha. You would need to be an elf or half-elf (preferably of the drow subrace and follower of Eilistraee) and it says only females are allowed but perhaps Arivia will make an exception if you really want a male character. It looks like the best way to get to this PrC would be multyclassing Bard/Cleric which would be a blessing to our group we are in need of both sets of those skills. |
~Lee N.
"Breaktime yes?!.. Yes?.. Maybe?.. Noo, baaack to work.." -Grovel the Goblin from NWN: HotU |
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Salabasha
Learned Scribe
Portugal
216 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2004 : 15:49:04
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I am going to be a paladin of freedom, straight from the books.
Is there anything wrong with that? |
Life is like a box of chocolates. Once you eat the poisoned one you die. |
Edited by - Salabasha on 20 Apr 2004 16:57:48 |
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Cherrn
Learned Scribe
Denmark
323 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2004 : 16:07:54
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| I was thinking about making a halfling rogue for the first couple of lvls, then sorcerer. It would fit in nicely with the background I have thought about for him. |
A wise man from Calimport once told me: "If a merchant puts sand in the flask of oil he's trying to sell you, then he isn't trying to sell you sand..." |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2004 : 18:31:25
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| Aye, but can you compete with a female halfling rogue straight from Amn? |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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SoulLord
Seeker
Mexico
62 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2004 : 20:45:58
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well met
It seems i am too late to join but perhaps, not so late that i cant share some word of advice.
http://www.storycrafter.com/index.php
Perhaps that place is better suited to run an adventure rather than the yahoo one. |
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Cherrn
Learned Scribe
Denmark
323 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2004 : 21:38:45
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Originally posted by Shadowlord
Aye, but can you compete with a female halfling rogue straight from Amn?
Mmmmmm female halfling eh...? Mmmmmrauw why would I want to compete ? |
A wise man from Calimport once told me: "If a merchant puts sand in the flask of oil he's trying to sell you, then he isn't trying to sell you sand..." |
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Salabasha
Learned Scribe
Portugal
216 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2004 : 23:01:51
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Originally posted by Arivia
Okay. The information should be headed out in the next day or so.
Salabasha, you're welcome to join.
However, I do need Salabasha and Cherrn's email to forward the guidelines to them.
Bookie, I've lost yours, too, so if you would, notify me of yours, that is if you're still interested.
I haven't gotten any information yet. Have you sent out it out yet or did I just get missed? (Unless you are referring to the yahoo stuff) |
Life is like a box of chocolates. Once you eat the poisoned one you die. |
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hammer of Moradin
Senior Scribe
USA
758 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2004 : 23:36:14
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| Is this thing still open, or is the Dwarf late again? |
"Hurling himself upon his enemies, he terrified them with slaughter!"
Scribe for the Candlekeep Compendium
Candlekeep proverb: If a thing is said often enough, fools aplenty will believe it to be true. |
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hammer of Moradin
Senior Scribe
USA
758 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2004 : 23:52:40
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| Oops. I see you already started a lurker list. Figured it was still open since you post regularly at Candlekeep and not somewhere else. Is there anything else like this going on around here? |
"Hurling himself upon his enemies, he terrified them with slaughter!"
Scribe for the Candlekeep Compendium
Candlekeep proverb: If a thing is said often enough, fools aplenty will believe it to be true. |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2004 : 23:55:54
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Originally posted by Cherrn
Mmmmmm female halfling eh...? Mmmmmrauw why would I want to compete ?
Dragrin Quickblade, the halfling thief, slap's Cherrn's face, and exclaims, "You Pig!" |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Salabasha
Learned Scribe
Portugal
216 Posts |
Posted - 21 Apr 2004 : 00:14:45
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Originally posted by Shadowlord
Dragrin Quickblade, the halfling thief, slap's Cherrn's face, and exclaims, "You Pig!"
Pwn |
Life is like a box of chocolates. Once you eat the poisoned one you die. |
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Okay, yet another possible campaign...
