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Gerath Hoan
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 18 May 2004 : 18:43:21
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I find it kind of disappointing that arcane Necromancers are that little bit behind their worshipful kin... i always felt that it was more likely that a wizard with the aptitude to specialise and the appropriate moral system (or lack thereof) would be the most capable at creating various kinds of Undead.
I always felt that the Clerical focus should be on restoration to life and healing, due to their spiritual interest in the afterlife, as opposed to the creation of Unlife. Of course, this varies in certain circumstances, especially when dealing with evil deities. I do think that they should have some abilities in that area (perhaps provided by 3e/3.5 Domain choices?) for Clerics of gods like the old Myrkul and now Velsharoon. I just always felt that a specialist Wizard should have the potential to top anything else in his field, so the idea of a Necromancer being less capable of raising large numbers of the dead than a Cleric seems a but odd to me. |
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Sachiel
Acolyte
Australia
17 Posts |
Posted - 19 May 2004 : 03:59:51
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Does anyone known anything about the details surrounding a prestige class called 'White Magician' that is supposedly to be included in this sourcebook? The White Magician is said to be a LG necromancer.
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
921 Posts |
Posted - 19 May 2004 : 06:22:18
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Sachiel, those are old rumors. And consequently they were actually about the inclusion of the 'White Magician' PrC in the Ravenloft tome, Heroes of Light. White Wolf originally created the PrC and it was to be included in an upcoming WotC sourcebook. However, the class must have access to the Mists for it's abilities that are tied to the 'Mists' domain to work. Therefore it would be impossible for this PrC to used outside of the Realm of Dread.
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Sarta
Senior Scribe
USA
505 Posts |
Posted - 19 May 2004 : 07:06:54
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Originally posted by Sarelle
However Sarta, I must diagree about your prediction - you are right about divine spellcasters getting the better lot in 3.x (in 2e it was the other way around), and as most Necromantic spells dealing with undead are divine spells, or both divine and arcane spells, I think the boost will be equal - leaving divine spellcasters ahead.
I sincerely hope you are right. My prediction was based on years of playing EQ and seeing various classes tweaked in order to achieve better class balance. Typically you could always guess which class would be ungodly powerful next revision by which was the weakest at the moment.
If I were not to base my prediction on this, but based on established trends within 3.5 D&D I'd say divine necromancers will remain more powerful, but arcane necromancers will have far more variation and flavor.
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
United Kingdom
2080 Posts |
Posted - 01 Oct 2004 : 13:40:21
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Hmmmm, Wotc have released an article entitled 10 Reasons Why a DM Should Get Libris Mortis.... the terrible thing is, all 10 reasons are CRUNCHY!! ARGH!
I'm quite looking forward to this book, nevertheless, and if its anything like the quality of Draconomicon, then ill be quite happy  |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 01 Oct 2004 : 14:05:25
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| Which means we should see stuff from Shining south Next friday |
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Capn Charlie
Senior Scribe
USA
418 Posts |
Posted - 01 Oct 2004 : 14:31:31
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Well, quite frankly, the 10 cruncy reaons to buy it, are for me, 10 reasons to keep it. Were the book all fluff(which I will call it till people reciprocate by calling rules something besides crunch) I could read it once or twice really good, then have no real further need of it.
For a book ot be worth keeping around, it has to have a need to be used at the table, for me, and for me to want to keep it around. Since I am not able to file away rules in my head, like I can fluff, and thus would need it around to reference, most likely away from the table, but at it, if there are monsters, items and spells within as I assume there will be.
My funds are limited, so I buy several books to read, then pass them along for at or near at what I payed for them, to get the next one, meaning that it has to be very useful for me to keep it around, as such, rulebooks tend to make the list far more often than lorebooks, as I can remember histories of the realms, and reference them in free 2e products, but am unable to do so with stat blocks, and the like. |
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D-brane
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
140 Posts |
Posted - 01 Oct 2004 : 14:52:13
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I'm still undecided on this product.
Undead don't feature prominently in my campaigns, but, if the quality of the sourcebook is as well presented as the Draconomicon, it's definitely a D&D book I'd like to have on my book shelf.
What's a DM with limited funds to do? 
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 01 Oct 2004 : 22:00:24
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Which means we should see stuff from Shining south Next friday
It's already out.
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Wood Elf Ranger
Senior Scribe
USA
627 Posts |
Posted - 02 Oct 2004 : 08:09:38
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| Wow! no kidding, if the rest of the tome has artwork that good it's going to be a masterpiece. Then if it has as good fluff as it does artwork (which does seem to be the case so far! [:d] Well lets just say its going to be really hard to top this tome! |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36874 Posts |
Posted - 02 Oct 2004 : 17:08:14
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So now we've got a book of dragons, and a book of undead... Has anyone else noticed that the most common monster types in the game are either dragons, dragon-related, or undead?
Edit: I don't mean common by frequency of appearance. I mean the overall percentage of monster types that have been detailed in rule books and magazines. There has been a larger percentage of dragons and undead than any other kind of critter. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 02 Oct 2004 : 17:34:06
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
So now we've got a book of dragons, and a book of undead... Has anyone else noticed that the most common monster types in the game are either dragons, dragon-related, or undead?
Edit: I don't mean common by frequency of appearance. I mean the overall percentage of monster types that have been detailed in rule books and magazines. There has been a larger percentage of dragons and undead than any other kind of critter.
Aberrations is the next book in that "series" and it's um Codex Anathema. See the link below. :)
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 08 Oct 2004 : 03:45:30
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| Wallpapers and a Screensaver for this product are now available. Additionally, I've just seen the product for sale at an online vendor. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 10 Oct 2004 : 16:29:28
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| For those scribes pondering a purchase of this item, some ENWorld users have obtained the tome and are discussing it within this thread. |
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Andy Collins on 'Libris Mortis'
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