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Gary Dallison
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George Krashos
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Posted - 28 Jul 2017 : 12:17:47
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I don't think there is much out there to be honest. Tom Costa's "History of Unther" article and that's about it.
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Gary Dallison
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Zeromaru X
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Posted - 28 Jul 2017 : 14:05:09
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I know there is a Volo's Guide to Unther and Mulhorand in Dragon 358. Maybe is that one?
If not, I also like to know in which dragon is the History of Unther. |
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Gary Dallison
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Markustay
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Posted - 29 Jul 2017 : 02:01:20
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Somebody did a very comprehensive (and GOOD) history of the Old Empires, and brought them up-to-date with 3e, back on the WotC forums (during 3e). I had C&P'd the whole thing into a document (it was an amazing amount of research and detail, with a timeline), but have lost that since then. Maybe somebody else has a copy of it?
if so, I 'd love another copy myself. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 29 Jul 2017 : 04:07:35
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The History of Unther piece is the add on to the Alabaster Staff. I have that.
I think the work Markustay is referring to is Eric's "Old Empires Anew" work which was posted at the 'Keep in this thread:
http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=16726
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Edited by - George Krashos on 29 Jul 2017 04:07:51 |
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George Krashos
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Posted - 29 Jul 2017 : 04:08:31
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The History of Unther piece if the add on to the Alabaster Staff. I have that.
I think the work Markustay is referring to is Eric's "Old Empires Anew" work which was posted at the 'Keep in this thread:
http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=16726
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Asharak
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Posted - 29 Jul 2017 : 11:26:23
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There's also "Old Empires Prestige Classes, Spells and Sundry - by Scott Bennie" with bachground (extensive timeline from 1358 to 1367 and Addercurse realm history with the Tanray - ancient barbarians of the Utter East). |
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Gary Dallison
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 03 Aug 2017 : 00:31:50
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I like what you did with Tiamat's name. Strangely, I think that was the only one I kept 'pristine' in my own list.
Gilgeam I never liked (name or concept). Too 'RW' (Gilgamesh).
I think in that novel we had a chance to finally fix that crappy derivation, but NOPE, same old terrible name (he could have easily be known by some other on Abeir, and just said, "People used to call my Gilgeam". It would have been such an easy fix). Then again, maybe I'm the only person who that bothers really bad (all the RW analogies - deific or otherwise - get under my skin).
Come up with a better name for the 'Blade Kingdoms' (its so obviously 'fantasy trope'). Maybe the Citystates of Akanul? The Akanulands? Doesn't really roll-off the tongue. The Dominion of the Akanulords? Hmmmmm... sounds almost a bit scify-ish. I like 'The Akanulords', so maybe most folks just shorten it to that when they are speaking? Unfortunately, they're not a whole lot different than the Border Kingdoms, except maybe bigger, stronger, and better organized.
Feel free, BTW, to take whatever (gods) you want that I posted in that other thread - I was just brain-storming a 5e pantheon for both countries (I can see them each having a 'patron', but I'd also like a conjoined Old Empires pantheon, one that could better oppose the Faerûnian one. I rarely put much thought into the OE because the whole concept for them right from the beginning (of TSR publication) never sat well with me - I'd prefer a complete overhaul, and this Sundering 2.0 was a great way they could have accomplished that. Too bad they didn't even bother to try.
So maybe one patron god for each of the four countries involved? We also have the Blade Kingdoms, and Sespech is kind of in a weird place (not sure which pantheon they would even use, since they'd be 'cut off' deifically from the Faerûnian one, sort of). |
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Gary Dallison
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Posted - 03 Aug 2017 : 07:04:51
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Oddly enough Gilgeam i was going to keep because its not the same as gilgamesh but you are right they should all be changed.
TiaMa'ats name i made from the concept of Maat which im reinterpreting as oneness or wholeness of being. TiaMa'at means dark one (which today people translate as evil one) and was an attempt by the Untheric gods to give her a bad press. Her original name is unknown but Turami descendants tell of a legend of Tla the sorceress who lay with and mastered dragons and fought against the Untherites when her home was destroyed.
This TiaMa'at is nost definitely not the same as the Dragon Queen Tiamat. Howver during the Time of Troubles (which is not a gods walk Toril event) TiaMa'at will be slain by Tiamat and here church infiltrated and none will be the wiser that their doctrine now serves a different goddess (except Tiglath and a few purist zealots).
Im setting this in the originalRealms and fully intend to merge the Untheric and Mulhorandi pantheons with an event that is inspired by the Alabaster Staff. Gilgeam will come back as a god of madness and undeath.
Im also redefining how the gods work. The Untheric gods begin as quasi power (encompasses the old term demigod) and are therefore not real gods, just super powerful beings that can perform divine acts. This is the first step on the path to true multiphasic being godhood. The untheric and mulhorandi gods are trappes in this quasi power form by the imaskari barrier and so can be killed proper. When the barrier comes down (when Enlil goes missing) thr Mulhorandi gods ascend to true godhood, but Gilgeam forces the Untheric gods to remain (so he can kill them and steal their power). He however creates an outerplanar abode and the pantheon become a bastardised version of quasi power and true god (they have a single body but when they die they reform in this outerplane). No more complicated gods that are alive everywhere else but dead on Toril. I only deal with Toril.
Plenty of the Untheric gods die properly but belief can bring a god back. Their relics could be used to recreate them. And not all the untheric pantheon are dead, some were forced into exile by Gilgeam. |
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Edited by - Gary Dallison on 03 Aug 2017 07:17:44 |
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Gary Dallison
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Gary Dallison
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Posted - 05 Aug 2017 : 10:26:51
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Initial idea is Maladraedior is imprisoned beneath Dalath by the godking Gir-Ubil (Girru). Maladraedior lost the battle for suzerain of the blue dragons and was driven into exile where Gir-Ubil captured him.
Gir-Ubil was killed in the Orcgate wars and no one knew about the dragon he imprisoned under the volcanoes to control their eruptions.
Now Maladraedior wants out. He is secretly working against Gil-Geamesq and is in total control of Dalath. Once he escapes the volcanoes of the smoking mountain will certainly erupt (1372 i believe) and he has engineered it to destroy the citadel of black ash.
The order of thr black flame were originally fire mages and priests of Gir-Ubil who made pilgrimages to his sacred places after his death. Maladraedior whispered to them and twisted them to his ideology - turning them into assassins and elementalists that were dedicated to ending the rule of Gil-Geamesq and the godkings.
When the treachery of the order was discovered they were driven out of Unther (some fled north to Thay, some fled south to Zakhara, others fled to the planes).
Now Maladraedior is fuelling lawlessness in Dalath and keeping Teu-Mmanudar "The Bloodletter" occupied while Maladraedior's agents foment and fund unrest elsewhere (like Unthalass and Messemprar).
When Gil-Geamesq dies and Unther falls into chaos, Maladraedior will desire release and will definitely claim Suzerainty of the blue dragons (by brutally destroying the current Suzerain).
Maladraedior is the son of Kalzareineid (a consort of TiaMa'at, and a dragon she altered until it was capable of magical feats far beyond normal dragonkind). He is thus very learned in magical lore. Gir-Ubil imprisoned Maladraedior using a huge enchanted chain (now far to small for the draconic behemoth) which preserved Maladraedior's vitality and made him immortal (so he could perform his duties for ever). As a result Maladraedior is over 3000 years old but with the energy and vitality of an adult dragon a few centuries old.
And Gir-Ubil imprisoned other dragons as immortal servants under volcanoes (and for other tasks) across Unther (Ship of the Gods). |
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TomCosta
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Posted - 15 Aug 2017 : 00:13:11
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PM me with your email address and I'll send you the Unther article, I can also send you my old Bahamut F&A style article (and why Eric nicknamed me Marduk in Demihuman Deities), and Scott Bennies articles. |
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Zeromaru X
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Posted - 15 Aug 2017 : 01:33:20
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Hey, Tom. If possible, can I also partake in this? I'm really interested in this (as I'm working in a version of Unther and Tymanther in the current Realms). But, the Bahamut F&A is of more interest for me... |
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Edited by - Zeromaru X on 15 Aug 2017 01:35:28 |
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Gary Dallison
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TomCosta
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Posted - 16 Aug 2017 : 00:41:20
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Sure. Happy to share with anyone. |
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Zeromaru X
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Posted - 16 Aug 2017 : 01:23:22
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Thanks. I guess this answers me why Anubis isn't in the Mulhorandi pantheon... (though I have to add that Osiris was kind of a jerk...) |
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Gary Dallison
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Posted - 16 Aug 2017 : 21:37:55
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Cheers Tom. Lots of ideas there
Okay so the gods I have so far (will be expanding this a lot
Akanic Pantheon E-Anu: Akanic god of the Sky and Akanu itself En-Kihh: Akanic god of water and mischief. A known shapeshifter, it is not known if this being was even human. His ultimate fate is unknown and unrecorded following the merging of Akanu and Unther. Gil-Geamesq: Akanic god of Strength. later the Akanic god of the Sky and Akanu after the death of Anu Sin-An'na: The Akanic god of Protection and the Moon. Sebekar: Akanic god of Swamps and Crocodiles. Ram-Manu: The Akanic god of War
Untheric Pantheon E-Nlil: Untheric god of Law, Air and Unther. Gil-Geamesq: Untheric god of Strength, Unther, Victory, Judgement. Took over from E-Nlil in -734 DR as head of the pantheon when the Akanic and Untheric pantheons merged. Amar-Du'uk: The Untheric god of Justice and Protection. Ass-Uraqn: Untheric god of War, Thunder, Storms. Displaced by Ram-Manu after the merging of the Akanic and Untheric pantheons. Ish-Tarri: is the Untheric goddess of Fertility, Love, Land, Moon, and Magic. She was originally part of the Akanic pantheon and took over some of the responsibilities of Sin-An'na who was slain during the Orcgate Wars. Ram-Manu: Untheric god of War, Thunder, Rain, Sky. Originally from the Akanic pantheon. Ina-Ninaki: The Untheric god of Sex, Beauty, and Desire. Slain during the Orcgate Wars Gir-Ubil: Untheric god of Flames and the Forge. Slain during the Orcgate Wars Teu-Nasabu: Untheric god of Knowledge and Wisdom. Fled from Unther when Gil-Geamesq became head of the pantheon. |
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LordXenophon
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Posted - 17 Aug 2017 : 14:14:03
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Shouldn't you include Tchazzar in there, somewhere? |
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Gary Dallison
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Zeromaru X
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Posted - 22 Aug 2017 : 10:10:03
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Your site asks me to login. Is necessary to sign up to view stuff? |
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