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R P Davis
Acolyte
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 Posted - 14 Apr 2017 : 16:11:42
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Originally posted by Caolin
But the people involved don't seem to be up to the task of doing this right. They are motivated by money in an attempt to replicate Marvel's success. They care nothing for the IP and will wreck it in the process. My advice for everyone is to not get your hopes up, forget it exists, and MAYBE be pleasantly surprised if it somehow turns out well.
You mean like the Chris Pine Star Trek movies? Or the Dr Who TV reboot? 
Seriously, though, if Wizbro want to do an epic fantasy story, Dragonlance is the way to go. It's a LOT of information to cram into 90-120 minutes, though.
Hell, just give it to PJax; it'll be five 120-minute movies and billion$ in merch. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 14 Apr 2017 : 19:33:22
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I'm not familiar enough with DL to judge. Most of my knowledge comes through Lord Soth, and thats only because he was in Ravenloft for a time. Now, a movie based around that, or just RL, would be kinda cool, but without knowledge of all the other settings, it might not be able to stand-alone (since its whole premise is that its a hodgepodge of settings).
I'm only looking at this froman FR perspective though - what 'bits' of The Realms are highly marketable in today's cultural environment. Right now, anything having to do with 'freedom of sexual expression', oppression, and 'emotionally distraught female hero' (as opposed to the traditional fantasy trope of the stoic male hero) would sell like hotcakes.
Although I've never actually witnessed Hotcakes selling all that well... 
The Morgan Freeman thing is pure gold. I'm not a big fan of changing stuff from canon (it NOT 'racism', its GROGNARDISM), but I can totally see Freeman pulling it off with aplomb. Loved your add, BTW, Wooly. 
Any type of narration by an 'Elminster type' would go along way in telling some backstory without having to do it heavy-handed style in-story (I really hate all that artificial-sounding dialogue, "lets talk about our past for absolutely no reason at all blah blah blah..."). Of course, ED Greenwood could probably do a better job, but he wouldn't have the wide-appeal Morgan Freeman would.
I hope you all have realized that I don't mind selling a bit of our souls to get FR to become mainstream? Sometimes, if you love something, you have to set it free. Someone mentioned Star Trek, and thats a pretty good comparison (and as an old 'Trekkie' from WAY back - so much so Uhuru knew who I was at Gencon 2012, from a meeting we had at the ST convention in Manhattan back in 1975!!! - can accept a new continuity, than I guess we all can). |
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Caolin
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 15 Apr 2017 : 03:54:20
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| Oh gods! I would rather see FR die than see it go mainstream. To me the end result is the same. I've already given up Star Trek for dead given the terrible movies in the Faux Trek timeline. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 15 Apr 2017 : 06:49:22
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The first movie was good...
The second? Well... lets just say I didn't bother to go see the third. |
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Ari
Acolyte
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Posted - 15 Apr 2017 : 15:46:36
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Shame, it's the most Star Trek thing for decades. Making war part of your identity makes you a monster! Revenge is pointless! Inner-city Black American culture holds the key to victory!
There's no horrible romance sub-plot, it has an actual, developed ending and resolution. There's a bit where Kirk realizes he's older than his father was when Kirk Sr. bought it. The new woman character isn't an embarrassment. Into Darkness was bad but it doesn,t stain Beyond. |
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Ari
Acolyte
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Posted - 15 Apr 2017 : 16:03:53
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Besides which, Caolin hasn't the Forgotten Realms been "mainstream" since the 80's? I admit I only knew about it around 2002, but TSR and Hasbro have always been tryin to make it more popular and fit current trends, even if largely narrative ones. If it's kept in some box like a relic it will just die.
I look at it kind of like the A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones split: Game of Thrones is a really badly-written show that makes Martin's invented world, themes and characters into a cartoon land of Seinfieldian nihilism, but it brought the ideas and a few of the core principles out into the eyes of a wider audience who could be inspired by it.
The whole reason we HAVE the Realms now is because Greenwood wanted other people to see it. Also money, but the first was a big part of it. Eberron, Dragonlance, Midgard, the worlds of Pathfinder etc., all owe as much to that weird, silly, endearingly corny imagnary world.
There are some real good things to take from the FR. Diversity and open-mindedness as a force unto itself, for example, is baked into its base assumptions. But if it just stalls into a footnote of irrelevant gaming trivia then so what.
Going "mainstream" for mass appeal will mean losing a lot of what has been taken for granted for many years. But it will gain a lot more back. Even if it means the movie will probably be some hackjob made by whomever a toy company can round up.
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Gyor
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 16 Apr 2017 : 19:47:56
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The Forgotten Realms is the setting of settings.
Within Faerun proper You have the Heartlands, the Old Empires Region, the Swordcoast & the North, The Lands of Intrugue, the Moonshaes, Evermeet, the Utter East, The Hordelands, the Cold Lands, The Dragon Coast, Chult, The Shining Plains, The Shaar, The Inner Sea, and so on, most of which are areas that make fine settings in their own right.
Then you can go beyond Faerun to Maztica, Kara Tur, Zakara, Kalaskara (I may have misspelled that, Archrome, Osse, and then beyond Toril to Abier, Glyth, and the planes.
So I can see as decentralized as the realms are, how hard knowing where to set a movie really is, but my suggestion is starting with Everis Cale, he would transition well to movies and he doesn't piss people off like Drizzt does (not me, other people). |
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Firestorm
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 16 Apr 2017 : 23:53:15
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Originally posted by Gyor
The Forgotten Realms is the setting of settings.
Within Faerun proper You have the Heartlands, the Old Empires Region, the Swordcoast & the North, The Lands of Intrugue, the Moonshaes, Evermeet, the Utter East, The Hordelands, the Cold Lands, The Dragon Coast, Chult, The Shining Plains, The Shaar, The Inner Sea, and so on, most of which are areas that make fine settings in their own right.
Then you can go beyond Faerun to Maztica, Kara Tur, Zakara, Kalaskara (I may have misspelled that, Archrome, Osse, and then beyond Toril to Abier, Glyth, and the planes.
So I can see as decentralized as the realms are, how hard knowing where to set a movie really is, but my suggestion is starting with Everis Cale, he would transition well to movies and he doesn't piss people off like Drizzt does (not me, other people).
I suggested Cale as well. The books have a tad more Game of thrones type feel that the audience today craves. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 17 Apr 2017 : 01:38:34
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The Cale series could work, with some tweaking. We'd need some more 'identifiable' characters ('white dude of middling years' just doesn't cut the mustard anymore - audiences are bored with that). The stuff with the gnolls in the Gulthmere is golden - that makes for some great eye-candy. Not sure how the Slaad would look - could be amazing, could be silly. And Jak is good for the 'feels'. The Sojournor is an epic villain - would look great on-screen, but might be too awesome for a first FR movie (it would be very hard to top a guy who juggles planets). I don't know what happens in latter books - I avoid anything having to do with Gods or even Chosen (hence, why I haven't read ANY FR books in quite some time).
Erin's Tiefling character would work, but we'd have to dial-back those horns to keep her more 'humanish' (once again, trying t go with a character that would please today's tastes). Maybe shoe-horn her into the Cale stories somehow. Start her out human, and then her demonic heritage gets 'awakened' (YES, I know that now how the stories or even D&D goes, but we're talking about a movie with mass-appeal here). We have to first feel sorry for the character before we can like her.
You know, with the Neverwinter Nights and Baldur's Gate game - not to mention the Drizzt books - you would think FR was already mainstream, but NOPE, for whatever reason, most people are still unaware of it.
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Originally posted by Gyor
The Forgotten Realms is the setting of settings.
Within Faerun proper You have the Heartlands, the Old Empires Region, the Swordcoast & the North, The Lands of Intrugue, the Moonshaes, Evermeet, the Utter East, The Hordelands, the Cold Lands, The Dragon Coast, Chult, The Shining Plains, The Shaar, The Inner Sea, and so on, most of which are areas that make fine settings in their own right.
Then you can go beyond Faerun to Maztica, Kara Tur, Zakara, Kalaskara (I may have misspelled that, Archrome, Osse, and then beyond Toril to Abier, Glyth, and the planes.
So I can see as decentralized as the realms are, how hard knowing where to set a movie really is, but my suggestion is starting with Everis Cale, he would transition well to movies and he doesn't piss people off like Drizzt does (not me, other people).
No Hordelands? That's my FAVORITE sub-setting. 
Probably because not only can it easily stand on its own, it 'marries' at least three other major Torillian settings.
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Ari
Acolyte
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Posted - 17 Apr 2017 : 02:42:09
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Sembia as the Realms' 'default' land has a lot going for it. In the thick of a bunch of major national feuds, mercenary and trading central, cosmopolitan without the Sword Coast's very Canadian tolerance and warm-hearted acceptance to work around, right across the pond from Tymanther and Akan#363;l, so easy to explain where these weird folks come from, it has it all. Especially since a lot of fantasy worlds have the problem that their major locale requires you to trek all the way to the butt-end of nowhere to get to the good parts. Looking at you, Shire.
Not even any history to work around or nothing because WHAT HISTORY. It started out as a blank slate and besides the novels it's only major tie-in role was as an unwilling province and subject of the Shadovar. Which is great because most fantasy stories need some relative normality to break from.
Markustay, even if we're just spinning hypotheticals, is making Farideh less outwardly monstrous wise? It,s a major part of the character that a lot of people just see "a tiefling" and dump buckets of implicit/explicit bigotry on her head. Obviously the massive, curling horns, blank orbs of one solid colour for eyes, big tail and blackened veins would be a hassle, but I feel it would be worth the effort. Of course, making the difference between her and a normal human slighter and leaning on how ridiculous it is that people react that way could be good too... |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 17 Apr 2017 : 06:56:09
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Problem is, in a movie we SEE 'the monster'. We need audiences to identify with the character. At least start her off humanish, and have her fiendish heritage 'awaken' (perhaps when she hits puberty? Like a mutant?) THEN we have a strong female character who is treated badly just for the way she looks, or acts, and THAT is something today's audiences CAN identify with.
Whatever they go with, I just hope the damn movie is good (for once), and if it turns out bad (again), then maybe we should be thankful if it isn't set in the Realms. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Brimstone
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Dec 2017 : 12:35:18
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
We have a release date: July 23, 2021.
http://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/dungeons-dragons/248146/dungeons-dragons-movie-news
I saw that on Facebook last night. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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15724 Posts |
Posted - 19 Dec 2017 : 16:31:51
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| I saw that as well - its being lumped-in with new Transformer and GI Joe movies ('Hasbro properties'). Does Disney own Hasbro yet? They seem to own the rest of the planet now. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 19 Dec 2017 : 17:43:00
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Brimstone and I both waited for someone else to do it.  |
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Diffan
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Dec 2017 : 21:14:48
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If I had to pick a book / plot to choose for a movie adaptation of the Realms I'd pick either Spellfire or Pool of Radiance. Shandril is an awesome character with fun supporting characters and an easily identifiable Villian/Group, plus the story overall is fantastic. For Pool of Radiance, it has that great nostalgia for those who've played both the Video Game and/or ran the adventure back in the TSR days. It also has some nostalgia for those who played Pool of Radiance: Ruins of Myth Drannor back in the early 2000's when 3.0 was released (and the infamous video game that went along with it). It has all the classic tropes for a D&D movie: a dungeon, a dragon, recognizable monsters, cool characters (I really just wanna see a Cleric of Tyr wield Tyr's Hammer) and a easy-to-follow plot.
Both stories are great exploratory adventures that can easily capture the essence of the Forgotten Realms without having over arching stories involving TONS of people and places. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 19 Dec 2017 : 21:40:27
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Originally posted by Diffan
If I had to pick a book / plot to choose for a movie adaptation of the Realms I'd pick either Spellfire or Pool of Radiance. Shandril is an awesome character with fun supporting characters and an easily identifiable Villian/Group, plus the story overall is fantastic. For Pool of Radiance, it has that great nostalgia for those who've played both the Video Game and/or ran the adventure back in the TSR days. It also has some nostalgia for those who played Pool of Radiance: Ruins of Myth Drannor back in the early 2000's when 3.0 was released (and the infamous video game that went along with it). It has all the classic tropes for a D&D movie: a dungeon, a dragon, recognizable monsters, cool characters (I really just wanna see a Cleric of Tyr wield Tyr's Hammer) and a easy-to-follow plot.
Both stories are great exploratory adventures that can easily capture the essence of the Forgotten Realms without having over arching stories involving TONS of people and places.
One of the blurbs I read discussed a potential plot for the movie, and said that at some point in the past it was the angle they were going for -- and it wasn't a story I recognized.
Which was fine with me; I've long maintained that the best option is to do what so many Realms authors have done: tell a new story. |
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Bravesteel
Acolyte
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Posted - 20 Dec 2017 : 00:02:33
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| I wouldn't care for the movie to be set in Krynn. I always felt that Krynn felt very one-dimensional and one-trick pony-ish. As far as the cartoon movie goes, my friends and I made a game out of counting up all the animation errors, we got up to about 74 or so. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 20 Dec 2017 : 01:55:18
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I heard is was supposed to be set in FR, but whether that means they'll touch on any known canon (people, places, & things) is up in the air. I rather doubt it - the writers will probably just write whatever they feel like (which isn't all that different than what we've been getting for two editions anyway).
Expect lots of dragonborn, tieflings, dark elves, and explosions. Oh, and maybe a plot... if we're lucky.
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Crystal Ball Guess: Angsty young woman/teen turns out to be 'the Chosen One' and kicks arse and saves the whole world. Throw in a pair of star-crossed lovers for her (who hate each other) and its pure box-office gold.
The Saurials/Alias story could work well - we even have a cute little halfling girl (we need a 'little person' - they are SO in right now). |
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BadCatMan
Senior Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 20 Dec 2017 : 02:31:33
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I've tried to collect all the news and rumour at the wiki (as a way of keeping atop of any flood of information):
http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Unnamed_Dungeons_%26_Dragons_movie
Please let me know if I've missed anything.
Having switched from Warner Bros. to Paramount resets everything, so we can't currently say what it's about or who's doing it. However, the fact that Hasbro and its Allspark Pictures are working with Paramount on a bunch of other things suggests D&D came in the same package, so fingers crossed that it's still the same Forgotten Realms–set project as before, and not the Dragonlance proposal (which seems no more than a script looking for a maker). |
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Caolin
Senior Scribe
769 Posts |
Posted - 20 Dec 2017 : 05:20:56
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| I look forward to the future 37% Rotten Tomatoes score. |
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The Masked Mage
Great Reader
USA
2420 Posts |
Posted - 20 Dec 2017 : 18:13:53
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
Looks like ia d&d movie could be inching forward ever slowly. Although I love the realms and would love a FR movie.....the Dragonlance Chronicles always seemed to me as a great source for movies.
It also doesn't hurt that one of the guys writing and pushing for it has some star power and could probably be a great Caramon.
I think there are many story lines that would make great movies. For the realms the obvious choice would be Drizzt's story line. The originals were all self-contained and also fed into the other books. This plays well into movie-land. The moonblade books also work well this way... so much would depend on casting there though and tbh I think no one would be an Elaith I would not hate.
Dragonlance requires a series of movies. Which would be wonderful. Or even better, give them a HBO series like GOT. If MTV ruins another book series like Shannara we're all doomed. |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Dec 2017 : 18:48:16
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Originally posted by Markustay
Brimstone and I both waited for someone else to do it.
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
11827 Posts |
Posted - 21 Dec 2017 : 14:52:26
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Originally posted by The Masked Mage
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
Looks like ia d&d movie could be inching forward ever slowly. Although I love the realms and would love a FR movie.....the Dragonlance Chronicles always seemed to me as a great source for movies.
It also doesn't hurt that one of the guys writing and pushing for it has some star power and could probably be a great Caramon.
I think there are many story lines that would make great movies. For the realms the obvious choice would be Drizzt's story line. The originals were all self-contained and also fed into the other books. This plays well into movie-land. The moonblade books also work well this way... so much would depend on casting there though and tbh I think no one would be an Elaith I would not hate.
Dragonlance requires a series of movies. Which would be wonderful. Or even better, give them a HBO series like GOT. If MTV ruins another book series like Shannara we're all doomed.
LOL, so I wasn't the only one who hated that Shannara series. |
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The Masked Mage
Great Reader
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Posted - 21 Dec 2017 : 20:12:32
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| I honestly don't think they even read the book. They were deviating before they left page 1. |
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Cyrinishad
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 22 Dec 2017 : 14:17:39
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LOL, so I wasn't the only one who hated that Shannara series.
I still haven't met anyone who liked the MTV-Shannara garbage series. |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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Posted - 30 Jan 2018 : 18:29:52
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Well we may or may not ever get a decent Realms movie, but at least someone is making a hell of an attempt at a quality fantasy fiction movie.
http://variety.com/2018/film/news/sam-raimi-kingkiller-chronicles-lionsgate-and-lin-manuel-miranda-1202678969/
I love the Kingkiller novels, and with a director like Raimi and a creative force like Miranda on board, as well as Lionsgate behind them.....this should be good |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 30 Jan 2018 : 20:35:43
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Originally posted by Cyrinishad
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Originally posted by sleyvas
LOL, so I wasn't the only one who hated that Shannara series.
I still haven't met anyone who liked the MTV-Shannara garbage series.
My wife liked them enough to try to read The Elfstones of Shannara. That said, she is neither a geek nor an avid reader. |
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Diffan
Great Reader
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Posted - 31 Jan 2018 : 04:58:46
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Originally posted by Cyrinishad
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Originally posted by sleyvas
LOL, so I wasn't the only one who hated that Shannara series.
I still haven't met anyone who liked the MTV-Shannara garbage series.
I like it. I never read the books, dont particularly want to. I like the post Apocalypse feeling. The acting is on-par for what I expect a fantasy show to have and they film on location, which I like. |
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D&D movie update.......Dragons of Autumn Twilight?
