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Sylrae
Learned Scribe
Canada
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 Posted - 18 Oct 2016 : 21:50:01
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So, I'm currently driving across the country after visiting my dad, in a car I didn't own when I left, and listening to audible audio books for Forgotten Realms novels I have read and enjoyed.
Just finished re-listening/reading farthest reach.
What exactly happened to Morthil's Library and the Sildeyuir after they left? For that matter, I don't recall it mentioning anything between him talking to his friends after the telmirkorahneshir*(spelling) and being back in Faerun.
And as a slight aside, are there any other, similarly focused novels I should pick up? I'd like more novels relating to the crown wars, the weeping war, elven cormanthor, aryvandar, yuireshenyar, Arcorar, etc.
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 18 Oct 2016 : 23:14:31
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there are no novels on the Crown Wars.
there might be one on the weeping war, there is a series on the reclaiming of myth drannor, which of course you are reading
the is also a novel pool of radiance 2, it is based in Myth Drannor... good read, the video game blew chunks... |
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Sylrae
Learned Scribe
Canada
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sfdragon
Great Reader
2285 Posts |
Posted - 19 Oct 2016 : 23:39:39
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| It would be in the Feywild with the rest of the place, intact or not; I dont know. |
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Oct 2016 : 23:45:35
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think Im wrong about the weeping war novel, however if you havent already you can go to the ask ed greenwood scroll and ask him
eah Im wrong about hte weeping war one, the one I thought was on it was elves of evermeet.... |
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The Masked Mage
Great Reader
USA
2420 Posts |
Posted - 19 Oct 2016 : 23:53:22
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| There is no such novel. |
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Oct 2016 : 00:04:17
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| so I edited it, but man if there was such a novel, it would sell like hotcakes.... and as I originally said, thought there was one. |
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Sylrae
Learned Scribe
Canada
313 Posts |
Posted - 20 Oct 2016 : 00:06:13
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Originally posted by sfdragon
It would be in the Feywild with the rest of the place, intact or not; I dont know.
When it was presented in the novel, the Sildeyuir was in the midst if being destroyed/consumed, and araevin promised to help, but that plot thread was then dropped.
Morthils tower was no longer in the Sildeyuir, it was in subsumed into some other place. Araevin mentioned he had no intention of leaving the magical library in the evil plane, but again, dropped thread. |
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The Masked Mage
Great Reader
USA
2420 Posts |
Posted - 20 Oct 2016 : 03:44:58
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| Yeah, presumably that is where Araevin goes after he leaves Myth Drannor cuz he don't want to watch Flarr nail his lady friend :P |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 20 Oct 2016 : 03:52:20
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| I am still reading Abolethic Sovereignty which is kind of a sequel to the novel Stardeep which, although I have not read it yet, speaks to the fate of Sildeyuir. |
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Oct 2016 : 08:31:06
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| and the 4e campaign guide, stated the demiplane was merged with the feywild.... it could be presumed that Araevin moved the demiplane there. |
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The Masked Mage
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 21 Oct 2016 : 00:02:38
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Extrapolating from Stardeep, the Abolethic Sovereignty, and the statement in the 4th Edition Campaign Guide I would say that the regions of Sildeyuir consumed by the alien influences (such as Stardeep), became merged with regions of the Feywild (as described in one chapter of the Abolethic Sovereignty books) during the spell plague.
Meanwhile, it is possibly, or even likely that those regions not consumed remain isolated as 1 or more demiplanes floating about the Ethereal. |
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Quale
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 21 Oct 2016 : 17:26:02
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| The Ethereal has ether gaps connected to the Far Realm (nilshai origins?), it's possible the demiplane ended there. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 22 Oct 2016 : 05:17:20
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I can't believe I actually found my old model of the universe. I keep forgetting abut my old photobucket account. Good thing too, or Iwould have wiped it clean like I did with my DeviantART page
My Cosmology Model
I have it where the Prime material Plane is the 'reality'. Its the plane that is composed of small bubbles (Crystal Spheres) contaning bits of the First World (which was destroyed during the First Godwar). Like human cells containing DNA, each scrap of the first world is a small copy of that first one, represnting al the multitude possibilities that miight have happened had the Timeline nor been rent asunder. I just needed to recap that to get to my point...
So you have the 'real' world. Above it you have the Heavens, and below it you have the Hells. The 'Bright Center of the Universe' is actullay at the very top of the endless spire - literally, all 'light' (metaphorically speaking) stems from there. It stands in the center above the world in my Great Wheel. This 'divine light' is cast downward toward The Prime, and thus, a 'shadow' falls upon the Hells - The Shadofell.* The shadowy region lies between the Hells and the Real World. Above the world is the Heavens (Great Wheel), and the light that is refelcted back (into the Astral) from the Prime is the feywild. Whereas the Shadowfell is literaly the 'Plane of Shadows', the Feywild is the 'Plane of Mirrors' (refelctions). Thus, those two (transitive) planes are at the same time very similar, and also opposites. Both reflect aspects of the Real world, one through 'positive' energy', the other through 'negative energy'.
So what I am saying is that every place in the Real World has a corresponding locale in both the Wylds and the Fels, so they would also have corresponding locales to each other. Ordinarilly those two planes do not touch and can't be traveled between, but what if under extreme circumstance (Cosmic Catalysms) the two could bypass the Prime Material and briefly become coterminous? That would explain what Quale said (much more simply) above - a locale in one 'reflective' plane could swap places with its counterpart in the other, because they are connected on a very special cosmic level ('spooky physics').
*I have it where the Shadowfel is just the 'deep ethereal' - the ethereal has three 'layers', the one clsoest to the Prime being the border-Ethereal. Gray Richardson and I have another theory relating all of this to Spelljammer as well: When you leave the atmosphere of a planet by conventional (scientific means) you enter normal space, but if you do so by magical means you actually enter the Border Bthereal, so the ships are actullay sailing the Ethereal seas. Out beyond the shells of the Crystal Sphere lie the Ethereal, which consists of Phlogiston. If you could possibly pilot a ship 'beyond that' (once agin, this is NOT 3-dimensional space) you would enter the Shadowfel, which is the 'Deep Ethereal' (and that same 'space' in a conventional science-based ship would be 'outside the galaxy').
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TBeholder
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 Oct 2016 : 09:12:36
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Seeing how the place was overrun by the nilshai, while the local elves were not competent enough to stop this, and too cantankerous to let anyone else (including the even other elves) try, it must be gone not long after being introduced.
The real question is who, what, how much and where did they evacuate before the game was over.
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Originally posted by The Masked Mage
Extrapolating from Stardeep, the Abolethic Sovereignty, and the statement in the 4th Edition Campaign Guide I would say that the regions of Sildeyuir consumed by the alien influences (such as Stardeep), became merged with regions of the Feywild (as described in one chapter of the Abolethic Sovereignty books) during the spell plague.
They have failed DC20 bear lore check and were surprised when dire bears have crushed the place to death with their thick, bestial arms.  |
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Sylrae
Learned Scribe
Canada
313 Posts |
Posted - 22 Oct 2016 : 22:18:53
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Originally posted by TBeholder
Seeing how the place was overrun by the nilshai, while the local elves were not competent enough to stop this, and too cantankerous to let anyone else (including the even other elves) try, it must be gone not long after being introduced.
The real question is who, what, how much and where did they evacuate before the game was over.
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Originally posted by The Masked Mage
Extrapolating from Stardeep, the Abolethic Sovereignty, and the statement in the 4th Edition Campaign Guide I would say that the regions of Sildeyuir consumed by the alien influences (such as Stardeep), became merged with regions of the Feywild (as described in one chapter of the Abolethic Sovereignty books) during the spell plague.
They have failed DC20 bear lore check and were surprised when dire bears have crushed the place to death with their thick, bestial arms.
It was mentioned by Araevin that he was going back to help them (and presumably also to complete his plans to recover morthil's library) at the end of the third book, in 1380 DR, but the results of this expedition were not spelled out anywhere that I know of. |
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TBeholder
Great Reader
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Posted - 26 Oct 2016 : 10:55:21
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Originally posted by Sylrae
It was mentioned by Araevin that he was going back to help them (and presumably also to complete his plans to recover morthil's library) at the end of the third book, in 1380 DR, but the results of this expedition were not spelled out anywhere that I know of.
Help them with what?
Those who learned from the creators of that demiplane could not deal with the problem. Araevin may be this and that, but he is a great expert on planar mechanics since when?
He could help the local forces to chase off the nilshai wandering into parts of Sildeyuir not yet converted, and occasionally raid beyond, yes. Which may or may not slow down the process.
And/or help to protect their evacuation. |
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The Masked Mage
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 26 Oct 2016 : 22:25:24
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Well, he's THE expert on mythals.... what's wrong with a mythal whos #1 power is buttressing the demiplane and 2nd power was the extermination/banishment of nilshai and their ilk...
seems like a 1-2 punch that would win that war in a day
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Sylrae
Learned Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 27 Oct 2016 : 00:34:56
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Originally posted by TBeholder
Help them with what?
Araevin may be this and that, but he is a great expert on planar mechanics since when?
He could help the local forces to chase off the nilshai wandering into parts of Sildeyuir not yet converted, and occasionally raid beyond, yes. Which may or may not slow down the process.
And/or help to protect their evacuation.
Ugh. Forum logged me out and ate my post.
He's an expert on portal magic and mythalcraft.
The mists consuming the Sildeyuir were identified in the trilogy as being a kind of portal.
In the trilogy itself, he talked about doing the following things:
1. Removing Morthil's Library from the Nilshai plane and bringing it into Faerun.
2. Reclaiming the lands the Nilshai Portal had consumed.
3. Cutting the Nilshai off from the Sildeyuir, getting rid of the portals, defining the Sildeyuir with solid borders, and keeping the Nilshai from encroaching again.
How would he accomplish this?
1. Portal Magic. Araevin could close the portal to the Nilshai plane. He might even be able to do so in a way he suggested in the book, reclaiming the lands the portal had already consumed.
2. Mythalcraft. Araevin could alter their existing mythal to protect them from such encroachments. Hell, from what is said about him and implied by him, he could likely craft them a new mythal, from scratch.
3. High Magic. How they removed Yuireshenyar from Faerun is touched upon within the trilogy. It's conceivable that he could reverse that magic and merge the demiplane back into Faerun if needed.
As for moving Morthil's astral-projection library pocket dimension thing? I've got no idea how he intended to move that, but he said he intended to do so. |
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TBeholder
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Posted - 28 Oct 2016 : 19:30:36
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Originally posted by Sylrae
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Originally posted by TBeholder
Help them with what?
Araevin may be this and that, but he is a great expert on planar mechanics since when?
He could help the local forces to chase off the nilshai wandering into parts of Sildeyuir not yet converted, and occasionally raid beyond, yes. Which may or may not slow down the process.
And/or help to protect their evacuation.
Ugh. Forum logged me out and ate my post.
He's an expert on portal magic and mythalcraft.
The mists consuming the Sildeyuir were identified in the trilogy as being a kind of portal.
Araevin squinted and proclaimed it kinda sorta like a portal, since it's a transition between two planes. So it kinda sorta is.
Except not like proper portals. It's not clear whether this can actually help.
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In the trilogy itself, he talked about doing the following things:
1. Removing Morthil's Library from the Nilshai plane and bringing it into Faerun.
2. Reclaiming the lands the Nilshai Portal had consumed.
3. Cutting the Nilshai off from the Sildeyuir, getting rid of the portals, defining the Sildeyuir with solid borders, and keeping the Nilshai from encroaching again.
1. Helping with evacuation and raiding, yes.
2. It sounds great, but how?
Pulling half of a peninsula back out of this crawling, formless "portal" may turn out to be much harder than pulling a rabbit from the hat. 
3. Again, that obviously could be done on very small scale with fixed entities, but this thing is far too big to be manipulated easily.
And too alien in design - and the Nilshai are not going to sit back and let the elves play with it.
While the Mithral Elves don't even have access to what makes their own demiplane tick.
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How would he accomplish this?
1. Portal Magic. Araevin could close the portal to the Nilshai plane. He might even be able to do so in a way he suggested in the book, reclaiming the lands the portal had already consumed.
2. Mythalcraft. Araevin could alter their existing mythal to protect them from such encroachments. Hell, from what is said about him and implied by him, he could likely craft them a new mythal, from scratch.
3. High Magic. How they removed Yuireshenyar from Faerun is touched upon within the trilogy. It's conceivable that he could reverse that magic and merge the demiplane back into Faerun if needed.
As for moving Morthil's astral-projection library pocket dimension thing? I've got no idea how he intended to move that, but he said he intended to do so.
1. He speculated it's possible, but it's yet to be demonstrated.
Even if he did manage to close/break the border "portal", Sildeyuir would be diminished. Which is better than nothing, but it was supposed to work as a single piece - chopping parts off Sildeyuir may permanently damage it.
Also, this couldn't in itself prevent the Nilshai from simply trying again to take another slice where no one is looking.
2. A mythal obviously could help, indeed. It's well within known mythal powers to e.g. forbid entry of the Nilshai and forbid transfer of unliving matter to other planes except by proper menhir gates.
Easy victory? But it's a thin and double-edged blade.
Mythals are rooted in their environment and can be corrupted if some of the surrounding things are tampered with too much, or a wrong sort of creatures appears inside in a way not specified during its creation, etc.
A mythal rooted in a place like Sildeyuir in its half-consumed state? Even if it can be raised without a bad mishap in the first place, it's at best a temporary relief until the Nilshai find a way to compromise it - and at worst, when it's finally broken, it will give the local elves so much more troubles via haywire powers and wild magic, they won't be able to live there even without any Nilshai incursions.
3. They didn't - and even if they did, the result of a large land mass appearing out of nowhere would be, obviously, catastrophic.
Demiplanes are created all the time, even by human wizards. When the Mithral Elves did it via High Magic, this perhaps was what allows extra perks - greater size, shaping into an exact reflection of Prime Yuir and embedded portals at the same time.
But it's not clear how this could help with anything now, or whether it matters at all once creation is finished. |
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The Masked Mage
Great Reader
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Posted - 28 Oct 2016 : 21:48:59
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Moral of all that is that there is not an answer published nor will there ever be because it is yet another abandoned plot point from 3/4e. Therefore do what you want. For my money, the realms and Aglarond are both more interesting with a superimposed elven demi-plane.
Also more interesting without the addition of the "aberrations" class of monsters which was not needed before and not needed now. |
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Gyor
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 09 Nov 2016 : 12:57:03
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Its a demiplane close to the Feywild in 5e, in 4e it was just apart of the Feywild.
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Fate of the Sildeyuir?
