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TwoScimitars
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 Posted - 30 Mar 2004 : 23:57:44
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I am looking for some suggestions on what FR books I should read while waiting on the new Drizzt and WotsQ books. Here is a list of what I have read: All of RAS's books, Moonshae Trilogy, Finders stone Trilogy, Avatar Series, Songs and Swords series, Shandrils saga series, a couple of the harpers books, and I just finished up Halls of stormweather and I am about to start Shattered mask. I want to wait on trilogy's that are not complete yet like the Erevis Cale trilogy, with the exception of course being anything Drizzt or WotsQ. Sooo, in the meantime what other books do you suggest. I am looking at the other Sembia series books, or the Rogues series, but if there are any really good older books I missed, any input would be greatly appreciated!
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Teflon
Seeker
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Posted - 31 Mar 2004 : 02:06:06
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| The Return of the Archwizards is a pretty good novel, or the Netheril Trilogy by clayton emery is pretty good (I'm a big Netheril fan). Red Magic by Jean Rabe and Death of a Dragon by ed greenwood are some good novels, and also the Evermeet novel is pretty good. |
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Magic Matt
Seeker
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70 Posts |
Posted - 31 Mar 2004 : 02:15:57
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These are some of the best I have read recently:
"Shadow's Witness" By Paul S. Kemp
“The City of Ravens” by Richard Baker
“Black Wolf” (Sembia Series) by Dave Gross
“Heirs of Prophecy” (Sembia Series) by Lisa Smedman
I know you don’t want to start a series that’s not finished, but, these are two really good books and you may want to reconsider.
"Venom's Taste" (House of Serpents) by Lisa Smedman
“Twilight Falling” (The Everis Cale Trilogy) by Paul S Kemp
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VEDSICA
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 31 Mar 2004 : 04:07:28
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| An older trilogy that I enjoyed was The Twilight Giants trilogy.I don't think it is that popular on the boards,but it was a good read.It was about giants.A race that is hardly covered in any novels.If you've read The Avatar Series,then a person who was in that got his start in this trilogy.So I thought it was rather cool. |
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Winterfox
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 31 Mar 2004 : 06:05:19
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Counselor & King trilogy (Elaine Cunningham, set in Halruaa)
Starlight & Shadows trilogy (Elaine Cunningham, starring a drow princess)
Evermeet (Elaine Cunningham; I consider it to be the Silmarillion of FR, hee)
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 31 Mar 2004 : 06:57:53
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Originally posted by Winterfox
Starlight & Shadows trilogy (Elaine Cunningham, starring a drow princess)
Evermeet (Elaine Cunningham; I consider it to be the Silmarillion of FR, hee)
I'll echo Winterfox's recommendations of these works. Additionally, since you are looking for completed series, keep reading the Sembia series after you finish Shattered Mask. The whole series is quite well done. |
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Magic Matt
Seeker
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Posted - 31 Mar 2004 : 17:13:15
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Originally posted by Winterfox
Counselor & King trilogy (Elaine Cunningham, set in Halruaa)
Starlight & Shadows trilogy (Elaine Cunningham, starring a drow princess)
Evermeet (Elaine Cunningham; I consider it to be the Silmarillion of FR, hee)
These are also really good books, except for the Starlight & Shadows trilogy, which I have not read because I really don’t like Drow , so I can’t comment on them, but Elaine Cunningham is a very good writer so they are probably fine as well.
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"You had a choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor, and you will have war."
-Winston Churchill- (to Neville Chamberlain)
The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool.
-William Shakespeare, "As You Like It", Act 5 scene 1
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 31 Mar 2004 : 18:07:22
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Originally posted by Magic Matt
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Originally posted by Winterfox
Counselor & King trilogy (Elaine Cunningham, set in Halruaa)
Starlight & Shadows trilogy (Elaine Cunningham, starring a drow princess)
Evermeet (Elaine Cunningham; I consider it to be the Silmarillion of FR, hee)
These are also really good books, except for the Starlight & Shadows trilogy, which I have not read because I really don’t like Drow, so I can’t comment on them, but Elaine Cunningham is a very good writer so they are probably fine as well.
I, personally, really enjoyed the Starlight & Shadows trilogy. I know that some will flame me for this (especially on the WotC forums!), but I think Liriel Baenre is a far more intriguing character than Drizzt Do'Urden. |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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Posted - 31 Mar 2004 : 18:07:22
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This is certainly one topic that will get just about everyone involved. It always does, anyway.
Songs and Swords is my suggestion, but any Cunningham book's good. |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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Posted - 31 Mar 2004 : 18:11:02
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| Not me. I happen to agree with you. And I bet more people than you think will as well. |
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Magic Matt
Seeker
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70 Posts |
Posted - 31 Mar 2004 : 18:32:53
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I, personally, really enjoyed the Starlight & Shadows trilogy. I know that some will flame me for this (especially on the WotC forums!), but I think Liriel Baenre is a far more intriguing character than Drizzt Do'Urden.
Well I guess that I will have to add this to my reading list after all. But as an ‘Elfophile’ I find it hard to empathize with Drow characters.
And as someone who can not stand the agonizing moralistic sophistry of Drizzt, Liriel Baenre would have to be a more enjoyable character.
[Which is of course just my opinion, I recognize others have the right to differing options, which may be just as valid to themselves.]
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-Winston Churchill- (to Neville Chamberlain)
The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36805 Posts |
Posted - 31 Mar 2004 : 19:35:45
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Originally posted by Bookwyrm
Not me. I happen to agree with you. And I bet more people than you think will as well.
Well, I added that line because on the WotC forums, I'm currently battling a couple of Drizzt fans: one that thinks a Drizzt movie would be an automatic blockbuster, and one who can't fathom how someone could possibly be bored with Drizzt. |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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Posted - 31 Mar 2004 : 21:38:05
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| I wouldn't pay too much attention to the WotC hangers-on. That's the place with the people who think the novels are non-canon, remember? |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 31 Mar 2004 : 23:00:48
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Originally posted by Bookwyrm
I wouldn't pay too much attention to the WotC hangers-on. That's the place with the people who think the novels are non-canon, remember?
HEY! Not all of us over on the WOTC boards think the novels are not canon! Bah. :)
But then those are the same people that don't believe the BG novels are canon either, even though those novels are listed on the official timeline on the WOTC site and there is a sourcebook that ties in with them.
I'm sooooooooooooo tired of that debate. I've seen it and been involved in it over and over and over and over for the past two years.
And to keep this on topic, maybe the 2nd Moonshae trilogy.... Or the Pools of books. Pool of Radiance by James M. Ward and Jane Cooper Hong, Pool of Darkness by James M. Ward and Anne K. Brown, Pool of Twilight by James M. Ward and Anne K. Brown.
There is a fourth one as well but it wasn't as good and it's based on the computer game that came out hmmmm a few years back.
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 31 Mar 2004 : 23:48:55
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
one that thinks a Drizzt movie would be an automatic blockbuster, and one who can't fathom how someone could possibly be bored with Drizzt.
I'll not even touch the latter. As for the former...let me guess, he thinks Peter Jackson should be the director of such a film? |
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Teflon
Seeker
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Posted - 01 Apr 2004 : 06:41:29
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| I would like to also mention that the best of the realms collection is a good series of short stories, I only finished reading it not to long ago. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 01 Apr 2004 : 06:53:33
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
one that thinks a Drizzt movie would be an automatic blockbuster, and one who can't fathom how someone could possibly be bored with Drizzt.
I'll not even touch the latter. As for the former...let me guess, he thinks Peter Jackson should be the director of such a film?
I just got home, so I've not looked yet to see if he replied. But so far, his only rebuttal to my very-well-thought-out and -reasoned argument against such a movie was something along the lines of "I think your arguments are stupid."
I have challenged him to give me a proper rebuttal. We shall see if he does so...
For the record, I was not arguing against a Realms movie in general, I was just trying to show that trying to do one on a specific novel or trilogy wasn't the best idea. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 01 Apr 2004 : 07:05:37
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I just got home, so I've not looked yet to see if he replied. But so far, his only rebuttal to my very-well-thought-out and -reasoned argument against such a movie was something along the lines of "I think your arguments are stupid."
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Josh Davids
Seeker
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Posted - 01 Apr 2004 : 08:49:16
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Ok first to address the topic. My recommendations would be if you like Greenwood the Shadows of the Avatar series. Ithar and Belkram became two of my favorite characters as well as Shanrantyr. Second the EC books and the Azure bonds series as well good reads overall. There are other right now, but so bloody tired right now I just can’t think clearly, feels like a cast iron frying pan was used to smash in the back of my skull right now. After tomorrow I could probably list more.
Now onto the other topic started, about the movie. Wooly that thread got going again or another one? Me and you made the same arguments against the movie, and you have almost the same exact ones I do against making a movie based on a book or specific iconic character. Why couldn’t someone put their mind to a brand new never before seen story and characters rather then taking a popular character and making it into the movie. For me the thing I like about drizzt is the image in my mind I don’t think anyone can capture him right, plus the other dozens of things against the movie. New characters, new story, for god sakes creativity, just because something might be popular doesn’t mean it will sell well. Ok end of rant there.
Besides that the Lord of the Rings movies set the bar up high as all heck for a fantasy movie now, and no disrespect to Salvatore meant here but Drizzt isn’t exactly on the same level as Lord of the Rings(though i still think some will take that the wrong way, believe me i am a Drizzt fan here). In some ways I think the bar will not be overcome for a while yet, years at least maybe even a decade.
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Winterfox
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 01 Apr 2004 : 09:11:56
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I, personally, really enjoyed the Starlight & Shadows trilogy. I know that some will flame me for this (especially on the WotC forums!), but I think Liriel Baenre is a far more intriguing character than Drizzt Do'Urden.
No argument here. Repetitive moralistic pseudo-philosophical pontification can go only so far before it cracks down in despair, laughs at itself, and become an incorrigible alcoholic. Or a mime artist.
Josh Davids said:
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Besides that the Lord of the Rings movies set the bar up high as all heck for a fantasy movie now, and no disrespect to Salvatore meant here but Drizzt isn’t exactly on the same level as Lord of the Rings(though i still think some will take that the wrong way, believe me i am a Drizzt fan here). In some ways I think the bar will not be overcome for a while yet, years at least maybe even a decade.
Oh, nonono. How dare you. Didn't you know that --
[R.A. Salvatore's] works are as good if not better than Lord of The Rings and I could quote every line from those books. but the Dark Elf Trilogy has captured me and won't let me go, it's one of the greatest literay works of all time. the philosophy and goodness of drizzt and montolio, the evil of the drow, the friendship of Catti-Brie, Wulfgar, Regis, and Bruenor, creates an incredible enviroment.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 01 Apr 2004 : 09:48:09
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Josh Davids, a new thread was started, specifically calling for a Drizzt movie. The original one was about an FR movie in general, though many of the posters on that thread did call for Drizzt to be in a movie.
For my main responses, I toured the old thread, and dug up all of my previous arguments. I then blended them all into one multi-topic argument against a movie being based on an existing book. Though the guy who called my arguments stupid has yet to reply, I'm getting heat from others on that issue...
But the other thread seems to have been resurrected, as well. I shouldn't've have linked to it...
Winterfox, the fanboi who made the statement you quoted could very well be one of the people arguing against me! |
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 01 Apr 2004 : 14:17:35
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Originally posted by Winterfox
Didn't you know that --
[R.A. Salvatore's] works are as good if not better than Lord of The Rings and I could quote every line from those books. but the Dark Elf Trilogy has captured me and won't let me go, it's one of the greatest literay works of all time. the philosophy and goodness of drizzt and montolio, the evil of the drow, the friendship of Catti-Brie, Wulfgar, Regis, and Bruenor, creates an incredible enviroment.
When some people fall in love for the first time, they are convinced that no one has ever felt this way before. When a young mother holds her first baby, it seems impossible to her that any child in the world could be half so precious. There's a certain passionate self-focus in new discoveries, and what Winterfox quoted above strikes me as the outpourings of a Book Virgin -- someone who just experienced the joy of reading and the power of storytelling for the first time. There's no use trying to dissuade such passionate advocates, any more than it's sensible (or kind) to inform that new mother her infant is NOT the most beautiful, charming, and magical progeny in the history of humankind. (It is to be hoped, however, that this proud mama keeps her opinions mostly to herself. . .)
Bob Salvatore's books have hooked thousands of young readers. Not all of those will continue to read, but I'm guessing that many will, and some will look back on the Drizzt saga with the same affection I feel for L.M. Montgomery's Anne of Green Gable books -- a series with a strong sense of time and place, and memorable characters who became friends. Drizzt faces a lot of issues confronting young people -- painted in broad strokes, yes, but recognizable and relevant. There is considerable storytelling skill in these books, and older readers can find much to enjoy in them. Of course, the style and tone isn't for everyone, and I understand that the (seemingly inevitable) comparison to Tolkien is bound to raise hackles.
Still, I'm of the opinion that new readers should be welcomed, not scoffed at or even debated. To a comment such as Winterfox quoted, I'd be inclined to say, "Great! Glad you liked that trilogy. Here's a few suggestions for future reading..." And I'd start the list with Bob Salvatore's Corona books, which are similar in tone and pace to the Drizzt books, but longer, more complex, and more nuanced.
Very few young readers will become hooked on fantasy by reading Brian W. Aldiss's Helliconia series, or Walter M. Miller's Saint Leibowitz and the Wild Horse Woman, or Seamus Heaney's brilliant translation of Beowulf. Bob Salvatore is a talented writer who's exceptionally tuned in to the rhythms and imagery of popular culture: movies, music, video games. His Drizzt books provide an accessible doorway to young readers who might find Tolkien's prose too unfamiliar and his pace glacial.
Stylistic considerations aside, a good story is a good story. The popularity of the Drizzt books proves that stories written with young readers in mind can have a broad appeal. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 01 Apr 2004 : 17:37:11
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Stylistic considerations aside, a good story is a good story. The popularity of the Drizzt books proves that stories written with young readers in mind can have a broad appeal.
Agreed. If Mr. Salvatore is getting young people to read, it's a good thing. But, your comments made me recall the last time I got into a discussion about the OSA Drizzt (Did I do it right Arivia? Inside joke to those who don't get it).
I went and read a few reviews on the last couple of Drizzt novels. One thing that kept repeating in some were comments like:
Good for the young adult section.
Would appeal to young readers.
or something along those lines...
When did this happen? When did the Drizzt books change to stuff that apparently reviewers think is just for young adults (teens)? Is this the audience Mr. Salvatore is writing for? His idea? WOTC? I'm not saying it's a bad thing. However, I recall some of the subject matter in Homeland, Exile, & Sojurn. I don't think those were written for a teen audience, correct? Unless a wild drow orgy was written for the rave crowd? Moreover, I don't see this applying to other current Realms books? Or am I wrong there?
And how young are we talking here. Are we going to see a scene:
Nine year old walking up with a book from WOTSQ: "Daddy Sirius, what's a drider?"
Sirius: "Go look at Grandma, your mommy's mother, that's about what they look like."
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dbassingthwaite
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 01 Apr 2004 : 19:22:19
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
When did this happen? When did the Drizzt books change to stuff that apparently reviewers think is just for young adults (teens)?
Sirius, it's not just the Drizzt books - I came across a review of The Yellow Silk that firmly framed it as a book for teens. Not that there's anything in it that's inappropriate for teens (I think, but then I was reading James Bond novels early), but that wasn't the audience I had in mind.
I think it's more a matter that some (or more than some) reviewers have a hard time taking game fiction seriously as a good adult read. Not that long ago, I think the same could have been said of fantasy in general. The genre is clawing its way to social respectability, but we're still on the trailing edge.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 01 Apr 2004 : 19:51:47
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Originally posted by dbassingthwaite
I think it's more a matter that some (or more than some) reviewers have a hard time taking game fiction seriously as a good adult read. Not that long ago, I think the same could have been said of fantasy in general. The genre is clawing its way to social respectability, but we're still on the trailing edge.
Don
I can certainly buy that argument... I recall that both my high school and my college creative writing teachers actively discouraged people from writing fantasy... |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 01 Apr 2004 : 21:19:06
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Originally posted by dbassingthwaite
I think it's more a matter that some (or more than some) reviewers have a hard time taking game fiction seriously as a good adult read. Not that long ago, I think the same could have been said of fantasy in general. The genre is clawing its way to social respectability, but we're still on the trailing edge.
Don
Okay, now that I can understand and thank you for the clarification. In fact, let me clarify myself, I understand what you are saying even though I disagree with the reviewer's sentiments towards fantasy.
I need to find a reviewer who thinks George R.R. Martin's series is good for teens to read. Reminds me of James Conroy's (think that is his name) comments on the L.A. Confidential DVD. He said something to the effect: "My book came out in 19?? and it was for the whole family. If your family was the Manson <expletive> family."
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 01 Apr 2004 : 21:20:53
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I can certainly buy that argument... I recall that both my high school and my college creative writing teachers actively discouraged people from writing fantasy...
My favorite encounter is finding a person who looks down upon fantasy, but reads romance novels with a fanatic zeal. Not that I think there is anything wrong with the latter, but the fact they could gulp down one genre that gets no respect, while looking down on the other.....<insert hypocrisy icon here> |
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Winterfox
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Posted - 02 Apr 2004 : 05:30:54
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Sirius said:
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When did this happen? When did the Drizzt books change to stuff that apparently reviewers think is just for young adults (teens)? Is this the audience Mr. Salvatore is writing for? His idea? WOTC? I'm not saying it's a bad thing. However, I recall some of the subject matter in Homeland, Exile, & Sojurn. I don't think those were written for a teen audience, correct? Unless a wild drow orgy was written for the rave crowd? Moreover, I don't see this applying to other current Realms books? Or am I wrong there?
For what it's worth, I've always considered most Realms novels as PG-13. Sure, there's a mention of wild drow orgy, but there's no graphic description. (I recall that the descriptions were extremely vague, and Drizzt leaves the scene pretty quickly anyway.) Violence isn't an issue, since reaction to violence in fiction is rather lukewarm. "Oh" as opposed to the "Oh my god, the characters are groping each other!"
I wouldn't consider the target audience to be the same as that of, say, Tamora Pierce, though. (As an aside: I had the distinct misfortune of reading her Alanna: The First Adventure. Gag. I'm so glad I grew up on other reading material.) As to the condescension directed toward the science fiction/fantasy genres as a whole? Tsk. The joy of elitism. |
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PyrateJenni
Acolyte
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Posted - 09 Apr 2004 : 00:21:34
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For what it's worth, I've always considered most Realms novels as PG-13.
Same here. More adult themes have been touched on -- like in Spine of the World, and the novels with Artemis Entreri (existentialism in D&D! Yeah, baby!). From what RAS has said, though, Spine wasn't very popular, and I don't think my reasons for liking AE match most of his fans.
On the other hand, there was the question of fanaticism and self-examination in Thornhold and the homosexual rape hinted at in Windwalker. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Apr 2004 : 04:05:24
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On the other hand, there was the question of fanaticism and self-examination in Thornhold and the homosexual rape hinted at in Windwalker.
Not to mention the homosexual activity that was hinted at in one of the WOTSQ novels. |
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PyrateJenni
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Posted - 09 Apr 2004 : 14:06:39
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[Not to mention the homosexual activity that was hinted at in one of the WOTSQ novels.
Eyup. Of course, I'm waiting for the howls of outrage from the fanbois when male homosexuality is tastefully hinted at. |
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