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Originally posted by The Arcanamach

Never mind I found it. Skitt (p.123 Cloak and Dagger) was transported to Faerun through a summoning that went wild. Doesn't actually say he's from Athas though his write up gives decent evidence that he's from there.

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Originally posted by Ayrik

There's also several "canon" characters who've transitioned from Athas to the Demiplane of Dread (Ravenloft setting), a few of these subsequently moved to (or through) the Planescape setting, a few to (or through) the Spelljammer setting - so it's quite possible for them to have migrated to Toril or Realmspace (Forgotten Realms setting). Any powerful (level 30+) wizard or psionicist can conceivably access the planes from Athas, Druids can conceivably do so at lower levels. There's also a unique planar gate artifact on Athas which could easily allow any Athasian to reach the Realms - indeed, the module in which it is featured states that it has been used extensively by the Sorceror-King Dregoth to explore other worlds and places, it even specifically states that he has visited and studied Faerun.

I recall a mul, several kreen, a small clan of half-giants, and even some half-draconian "dray" originating in Darksun and being featured in the Realms. But sorry, I cannot recall their names, or which canon references involved them, or which mechanism they used to reach the Realms.

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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

The appearance does match a mul, but half-dwarves do exist elsewhere, including in the Realms. I'm a little skeptical, myself, that a wild surge would be caused by an "itinerant wizard" on Athas. I'm not a Dark Sun expert, but what I do know makes both wild surges and itinerant wizards seem an unlikely prospect for Athas.

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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

The appearance does match a mul, but half-dwarves do exist elsewhere, including in the Realms. I'm a little skeptical, myself, that a wild surge would be caused by an "itinerant wizard" on Athas. I'm not a Dark Sun expert, but what I do know makes both wild surges and itinerant wizards seem an unlikely prospect for Athas.

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It could be a wild surge in the spell of a Faerünian summoner while the half-dwarf in question was already plane-walking by other means.
From Athas the likely destinations are either Elemental Planes (in which case he could be under a protective spell from an elemental priest at the moment, which may contribute to the confusion) or Astral (perhaps not normally, but there was some gate the githyanki tried to exploit and attracted to their operation a bit more of unfriendly attention than they could handle).

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Originally posted by Cards77

I don't recall running across other mul examples in the Realms. I thought that was essentially an Athas thing. IMO any "wild surge" on Athas would be related to psionics, not arcane magic. There is no Weave on Athas and arcane magic is derived directly from the life force of living creatures, though I suppose one of the Sorcerer Kings could produce a "surge" by drawing from an entire city's worth of life force.

Seems very far fetched. However "wild" psionic phenomena of all kinds are fairly common on Athas.

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Humans, gnomes, and halflings are cross-fertile with dwarves. Elminster says elves and dwarves can have issue as well. Common in Ardeep, Eaerlann, and Myth Drannor of old, this is unheard-of today.
Mates who respect dwarven customs and traditions are honored for their courage (in entering a strange society), loyalty (to the customs of dwarves) and aid (in preserving the Folk).
"Half-dwarves" are not a distinct race. Save for their height (a head taller than most dwarves) all offspring of unions between dwarves and other races look and act (and are treated in the rules) as pureblood dwarves. Dwarven halfbreeds always have the stocky build and hirsute appearance of purebloods.
If halfbloods mate with pureblood dwarves, the offspring will be a pureblood. If halfbloods mate with another halfblood or a nondwarf, the offspring will be a halfblood.

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Originally posted by Cards77

I don't recall running across other mul examples in the Realms. I thought that was essentially an Athas thing. IMO any "wild surge" on Athas would be related to psionics, not arcane magic. There is no Weave on Athas and arcane magic is derived directly from the life force of living creatures, though I suppose one of the Sorcerer Kings could produce a "surge" by drawing from an entire city's worth of life force.

Seems very far fetched. However "wild" psionic phenomena of all kinds are fairly common on Athas.

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Muls are an Athas-specific variant of half-dwarves. Half-dwarves are Realms canon, though.

From page 6 of Dwarves Deep, penned by Ed himself:

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Humans, gnomes, and halflings are cross-fertile with dwarves. Elminster says elves and dwarves can have issue as well. Common in Ardeep, Eaerlann, and Myth Drannor of old, this is unheard-of today.
Mates who respect dwarven customs and traditions are honored for their courage (in entering a strange society), loyalty (to the customs of dwarves) and aid (in preserving the Folk).
"Half-dwarves" are not a distinct race. Save for their height (a head taller than most dwarves) all offspring of unions between dwarves and other races look and act (and are treated in the rules) as pureblood dwarves. Dwarven halfbreeds always have the stocky build and hirsute appearance of purebloods.
If halfbloods mate with pureblood dwarves, the offspring will be a pureblood. If halfbloods mate with another halfblood or a nondwarf, the offspring will be a halfblood.

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We also have at least a couple canon references to elf-dwarf crossbreeds.

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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis

Interesting, but as I recall, while dwarves CAN interbreed with humans, the offspring tend to be sterile, and are hence called (somewhat derogitorily, I believe) "mules". I think that came from some 3.5 Eberron lore, or some such, but it would stand as "standard" for ALL D&D lore, I think. I do recall there being ONE half-dwarf/elf, and that was Drannor, for whom Myth Drannor was supposedly named, according to the 2nd ed book "Cormanthyr". apperantly, he was the product of the first (and likely ONLY) elf/swarf union.

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There's more than that one. There are two named ones that I know of, and references to others.

Of the named ones, one was Isinghar "Feyrune" Ironstar, described as a dwelf runecarver and archmage of Ammarindar, who was one of the secondary casters in the raising of the mythal over Myth Glaurach. This is from the Myth Glaurach article that was part of the Mintiper's Chapbook series.

The other named dwelf was Dlarbraddath. We don't know if that was his actual name; we just know that a section of Myth Drannor was "named for the gardener who laid it out, a being said to have an elven mother and a dwarven father!" (page 19, Campaign Guide to Myth Drannor, Ruins of Myth Drannor boxed set). I think it more likely he was named Dlarbradd.


The Myth Glaurach article also notes, in the footnotes, that

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Dwarf-elf crossbreeds, known as "dwelf" in the singular and "dwelves" in the plural, are noted as having been common in the days of Eaerlann in FR11 – Dwarves Deep, p. 6.

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Page 6 of Dwarves Deep says:

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"Half-dwarves" are not a distinct race. Save for their height (a head taller than most dwarves) all offspring of unions between dwarves and other races look and act (and are treated in the rules) as pureblood dwarves. Dwarven halfbreeds always have the stocky build and hirsute appearance of purebloods.

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There's no notation there about half-dwarves in the Realms being sterile. I think that you're conflating Dark Sun's muls with half-dwarves of the Realms. Muls are sterile, as I recall, and they are also half-dwarves -- but they're also specific to Dark Sun.

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We also have this particular bit from Steven Schend, as well:-

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Dwelves....okay, I'll stop myself early before I start doing haiku about stone shelves and dungeon delves....

As stated above (and like half-elves), they favor and adopt the lifestyle/culture under which they are raised. Same goes for which gods they revere.

Both elves and dwarves have serious cognitive dissonance when it comes to dwelves, as (unlike half-elves or half-orcs, IMO) there's no set form or expectation for how they'll look. It's anyone's guess if you'll end up with a dwarf's body size and shape with elven features and ears or an elf's body but stocky vs. svelte and rather hairier than the norm. Dwarven parents may mourn their child's inability to grow a decent beard, thanks to their elven half, while elves may grumble that the child is more interested in the dirt rather than the tree from which it springs. Most likely, they're only comfortable among some societies that embrace acceptance and unity (like Myth Drannor or Miyeritar or elsewhere).

That said, I was surprised by that Myth Glaurach note. Methinks I'll have to talk to Eric and find out what else he's had the Blackstaff up to while I've not been watching....if only for my own curiousity, of course.

Steven
(and some day I'll tell y'all about the Pentad, an alliance of the churches of five gods of four races...but not today, as only three dwelves worshiped among them, and none of them reached high priest stage or any ranking of note)

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Originally posted by Cards77

There a number of dwarf/XX crossbreeds but they are nothing more than regular dwarves in the end.

According to the same book a paragraph after your quote: dwarf blood always runs true. So any offspring from ANY dwarf/xx union are exactly the same as dwarves.

So, no muls, no dwelves, no dwarhalfings or dwnomes :)

all are just considered dwarves.

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