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deserk
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 Posted - 31 Dec 2015 : 15:56:39
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Just a thought that struck me. Knowing that the worship of the Elemental gods historically was prominent in Eastern Faerun, particularly in ancient Raumathar and still is particularly in Thay, it does kind of give off an idea that the Elemental gods are kind of "Eastern" in origin.
Because Ed Greenwood wasn't the type of fantasy designer who wanted real world parallels, i.e Mulhorand being modeled on Egypt, maybe Kossuth, Akadi, Istisha and Grumbar were original gods that Ed wanted here? Since, I recall in one of the So Saith Ed articles, that Ed did say he come up with the names of Unther and Mulhorand, and had a basic idea of them being places with, paraphrasing "ziggurats and pyramids", which the people whose job to design them in detail, took it to literally mean these lands were like Babylon and Egypt.
Also, the reason why I speculate it might be the Mulani pantheon, is because Thay has a prominent community of people who worship Kossuth, more so than any other living country in FR that I know of at least. And the Thayans are ethnically and culturally the same people as Mulhorand. Thay was once a part of Mulhorand and rebelled. So the question is, when how and when did the Elemental gods come into the picture in Thay?
Maybe Mulhorand was supposed to be a theocracy like it is in current FR canon, but maybe it's gods were supposed to rather be Elemental Gods, and Thay rebelled because they didn't want to live under a theocratic state that restricted them from practicing arcane magic?
But yeah this may be a bit of a wild idea, but I think, if true, it would be much more interesting if the Old Empires was rooted around the Elemental gods instead of the Mulhorandi pantheon. This would help to make that region feel more like Faerun, and also at the same time make it exotic and unique.
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sleyvas
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Posted - 01 Jan 2016 : 13:50:16
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I don't think the original design was all that fleshed out. That being said, my personal feeling is that yes, the worship of the elemental lords was common in the unapproachable east and possibly down into the old empires and hordelands long ago. Some of us had posited that the Unapproachable East was referred to as the Spirit Realms back in the early days and was filled with small tribal cultures of animalistic beings (centaurs, minotaurs, gnolls <some hyena like, some wolfish>, hybsil, Quaggoths on the surface, wemics with other cat bodies like panthers, taers, goatfolk/ibixians), plant beings (treants, volodni, wood woads, woodlings, dryads), reptile beings (Sarrukh, yuan-ti, dracotaurs, lizard men, crocodilian, troglodytes, nagas, kobolds, etc....) and large humanoids (ogres, hags, hagspawn, as well as all the various giant races) and goblinoids (primarily bugbears and goblins) and less of humans (the "humans" in the area are probably more like spiritfolk, genasi, and fey tribes who have wandered over from the feywild).
Of these races, I could definitely see the spiritfolk and genasi worshipping primordial elemental lords. I could also see such with the lizard folk. The plant people might also worship Grumbar, Istishia, and Akadi and try to ward off Kossuth. The giants and other large humanoids might follow them as well. |
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Posted - 02 Jan 2016 : 08:59:44
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I personally thought of Thay favoring elemental gods as a rejection of their Mulhorandi inheritance, rather than an expression of it. Having won independence the theocratic rule of Mulhorand's incarnate god-kings, the victorious Red Wizards actively promoted the worship of the "uncaring" elemental gods as an alternative to more usual deities. Atheism or anti-theism is not a practical philosophy in the Realms, so promoting the prominence of indifferent gods who care little about how mortals act was the maximum practical repudiation of the gods available.
Obviously, worship of the other gods has to be tolerated in a world where they wield real power, but the Red Wizards encourage such worship to never reach serious devotion. The propaganda is that the "really" spiritual and enlightened follow one of the Four Elemental Lords, who are "clearly" the true root from which reality springs, and seem uncaring only because their perspective is transcendent. Other deities are said to be like demon princes and archdevils, powerful beings who must be respected, but who try to use mortals in their squabbles and further their own agendas. (One might note there's a germ of truth to this, like in any effective propaganda. That the most wealthy and prominent non-elemental religions in Thay tend to be evil churches supported by the noble classes and participating in their intrigues makes it even more believable.)
(My way of eliminating the "too-real" pantheons in the Old Empires is to make Mulhorand's god-kings half-divine children of Siamorphe who are at the same time priests of various standard ["Faerunian"] deities - replace Anhur's incarnation with a semidivine cleric of Tempus, for example. Unther is the section of Mulhorand separated and ruled by the scion who was a cleric of Bane in a coup to make himself Mulhorand's tyrant that only half-succeeded. And who then lost half of that to Tchazzar, who henceforth was known as the Lord of Chaos and the Nemesis of the Gods in Unther, rather than trying to use the Babylonian Tiamat who is so different from the D&D Tiamat.) |
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sleyvas
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Posted - 02 Jan 2016 : 17:36:55
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I see part of the Thayan uprising as having involved religion by those who are devoted to non-Mulhorandi deities. Specifically, I see the people of the Priador (as Thay and its clifflike escarpments was known) as having followed many of the old religions of Raumathar before the Mulan people's came in and started forcing THEIR religions on them... and specifically forcing arcanists to work magic in the service of the Mulan religions. Even worse, they began to subsume the gods of the people of the Priador. For instance, Sharess' entry in Powers and Pantheons states that "At the height of the second empires of Mulhorand and Unther, numerous beast cults gained popularity for a time. During this period, the Mulan and Turami peoples began to venerate Felidae, a goddess of felines, sensual pleasures, and nomads revered by the barbarians to the north and west, and in a very short time the more powerful Bast subsumed Felidae's portfolio and position into her own".
In all this that I said above, it should be noted that the peoples of Mulhorand began to settle the Priador around -1500 DR, but that modern day Bezantur was formerly a Raumathan city named Kensten that Mulhorand didn't rebuild until -135 DR. So, they some of their peoples did expand North and West, but they became part of another empire. Mulhorand did however annex (i.e. seize) Murghom, Semphar, the plains of purple dust, and the Raurin Desert.
My take on that is that the "barbarians to the North and West" were the descendants of the Sossrim, Rashemi and Raumathari peoples that were hired during the Orcgate wars..... BUT they were also the Rus who had come over via a portal into Rashemen while it was under Eltab's rule. Note: this is also during Mulhorand's rise as they expanded into the Priador. My take is that the Rus brought with them their own religions as well (note though that the beast cults of Uthgar were not around when the initial Rus portal malfunction happened, at least according to the timeline of the GHotR). It is this Pantheon that the Mulan pantheon begins to supplant as the below possibilities
Bast supplants Felidae (confirmed, see above)
Geb tries to supplant Grumbar
Hathor supplants a nature/prosperity goddess with a cow aspect
Horus-Re supplants a sky god with a hawk aspect
Set supplants a jackal trickster deity, an ancient Sarrukh snake deity that he finds entrapped in the Priador, a scorpion deity found in the plains of Purple Dust,
Thoth supplants an aspect of a Far Eastern deity in Semphar with an Ibis aspect which represents intelligent magical beasts in a way somewhat similar to Lurue.
So, just for grins who was in that pantheon shared by the Raumathari/Rashemi (and the spiritfolk... can't forget them)? Lets come up with a list and see what people think
the four elemental lords
Kossuth
Akadi
Grumbar
Istishia
the three goddesses of Rashemen, whom personally I would represent like the Norns, and have them tending "the world tree"
The Hidden One (possibly Mystra... or possibly another name for the Simbul <the Yuir goddess of the edge, moment of choice, the space between now and the future> who was at this time embodied by Labelas Enoreth... but possibly not amongst this group)
Bhalla, the great mother (possibly Chauntea, but just as possibly originally it was Othea, or possibly one of the Yuir deities)
Khelliara (possibly Mielikki, or possibly one of the Yuir deities)
some of the Yuir Deities who had actually been supplanted at this time, which originally came from a "primitive human culture"
Magnar the Bear (actually Rillifane Ralathil at this time)
Relkath of the Many Branches (actually Rillifane Ralathil at this time)
The Simbul (goddess of the moment of decision, actually Labelas Enoreth at this time)
some of the beast totems of Ulutiu
Pindalpau-pau the Reindeer Mother
Great White Bear
other beast cults, some of which are subsumed by Mulhorandi gods
note, in the below, I list several Norse animals related to gods, but I don't list those gods. I do this as a hint that their owners have died, but that the world continued on without them. These may have been the deities that died to the primordial long ago, and the giants remembered them in their stories, and the humans learned of them in the same way. Perhaps it would be even better to keep the base idea, but subtly twist their spelling
Audumbla , the great cow, which nourished the youngling gods until they could rise up against their Primordial oppressors, possibly a holdover from the great giant empire... subsumed by Hathor.
Fionnghuala, the fey goddess of the swan maidens, but also by human rangers in the area, is also a guardian of the well of Urdr which is used to water "the world tree"
Felidae, a cat & sensual pleasure goddess subsumed by Bast
<name to be created>, a sky god of hawks subsumed by Horus-Re
Geri and Freki, the wolf gods (also worshipped by some gnolls in the area), possibly a holdover from the giant kingdoms, who eventually get subsumed by Malar
Gullinbursti, the great boar whose light shined like the sun, subsumed by Horus-Re
Tanngrisnir, the great goat whose tooth gnashing and hoof grinding produced storms, Thunder, and Lightning, eventually subsumed by Talos
Svadilfari, the great horse spirit (from Norse mythology, the horse which served the giant who built the walls of Asgard, and which fathered Sleipnir on Loki)
other "races" deities who would fit with this culture
Skerrit the Forester, patron of the centaurs and Hybsil, but also by human rangers in the area.
Verenestra, the goddess of dryads, nymphs, and Sylphs, would seem to fit the nature orientation, but also as a beauty goddess
some of the "monster" deities that fit with the inhabitants
Cegilune the hag goddess
Thrym the frost giant god, who may have been seen as the father of the Bheur hags with Cegilune
some of the eventual Faerunian deities may have had influence here
Shaundakul would seem to be related to Shaundalar of Ashanath,especially with its portals
Auril in her aspect as the Queen of Air and Darkness, with possibly Cegilune being the person who inflicted the black diamond on Aurilandur? In this, she would be seen as opposed by Akadi
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sleyvas
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Posted - 02 Jan 2016 : 22:16:17
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| BTW, in the above list, I see where there might be some overlap, which may be why certain "deities" were ripe for being taken out. For instance, Bhalla fulfills the role of Audumbla. Others might be the same being of a different name in Toril (for instance, Khelliara just might be Fionnghuala). Some might have only been worshipped in the colder regions, versus others where it was more green (the Great White Bear versus Magnar the Bear). |
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Baltas
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Posted - 04 Jan 2016 : 11:41:55
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Wel, in early Ed Realms, and his house Realms, Mulhorand seems to worship Set the Serpent God, like Conan's Stygia, as one of Ed's Mulhorand NPC's was a priestess of the (Serpentine) God Set.
Although the Mulan worshipping Elemental Gods may work, as the main 4 Sumerian according to some people had an elemental scheme
An/Anu - Sky/Aether
Enlil - Air/Athmosphere
Enki - Water
Ki/Ninhursag - Earth
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An/Anu - Sky/Wind
Enlil - Fire(Thunder)
Enki - Water
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Baltas
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Posted - 07 Jan 2016 : 11:41:33
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Also, in the Gray Box, there was also the concept of "Southern Gods", which seemed to be worshipped in Calimshan, Mulhorand, Shaar, Unther, and possibly parts of Raurin.
The Two mentioned Souther Gods, were Bhaelros(then only persumed to be an aspect of Talos), and Asurran/Hoar.
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Originally posted by sleyvas
Auril in her aspect as the Queen of Air and Darkness, with possibly Cegilune being the person who inflicted the black diamond on Aurilandur? In this, she would be seen as opposed by Akadi
I think that Cegilune may be an aspect of Auril. Auril is served by Winter Hags, also called Bhuer Hags.
Cailleach Bheur, is a winter goddess from Gaelic folklore, who may be inspiration for the Queen of Air and Darkness.
And Cailleach has two forms, one an old hag, another beautiful maiden. Not to mention, Cegilune is mentioned to be possibly Titania's sister, and dark reflection, just like the Queen of Air and Darkness.
So seeing Titania would have two evil sisters otherwise, the presence of Bhuer Hags in Auril's service, and myth of Cailleach Bheur's two forms, I guess Cegilune is represnting the connection between winter and old age, as well as the part of Auril most corruted by the entropic qualities of the Black Gem.
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sleyvas
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Posted - 08 Jan 2016 : 12:06:44
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Originally posted by Baltas
Also, in the Gray Box, there was also the concept of "Southern Gods", which seemed to be worshipped in Calimshan, Mulhorand, Shaar, Unther, and possibly parts of Raurin.
The Two mentioned Souther Gods, were Bhaelros(then only persumed to be an aspect of Talos), and Asurran/Hoar.
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Originally posted by sleyvas
Auril in her aspect as the Queen of Air and Darkness, with possibly Cegilune being the person who inflicted the black diamond on Aurilandur? In this, she would be seen as opposed by Akadi
I think that Cegilune may be an aspect of Auril. Auril is served by Winter Hags, also called Bhuer Hags.
Cailleach Bheur, is a winter goddess from Gaelic folklore, who may be inspiration for the Queen of Air and Darkness.
And Cailleach has two forms, one an old hag, another beautiful maiden. Not to mention, Cegilune is mentioned to be possibly Titania's sister, and dark reflection, just like the Queen of Air and Darkness.
So seeing Titania would have two evil sisters otherwise, the presence of Bhuer Hags in Auril's service, and myth of Cailleach Bheur's two forms, I guess Cegilune is represnting the connection between winter and old age, as well as the part of Auril most corruted by the entropic qualities of the Black Gem.
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But seriously, why this topic seemingly got abandoned? It was about some very interesting stuff.
Hmmmm, I'm liking this concept a whole lot, in that Auril may be Cegilune. I'd never heard that name Cailleach Bheur before and had wondered where the name Bheur came from. This fits even better with the fact that in the Unapproachable east, I had written up some homebrew stuff that Dun-Tharos, which was previously known as Narathmault when the Dark Elves were there in -10400 DR, was known by an entirely different name when the giant kingdoms were around and was filled with ogres and hags. The place at that time was known as Bheuristahl and they had been led to it by Cegilune, and the hags were some of the first "fey" to come over.
Now, whether its that Auril killed and seized Cegilune's portfolios, or they've always been the same being.... that's a good question. Having Cegilune in the realms being called Cailleach Bheur would make sense, since I don't believe we have many entries where she's mentioned in canon. |
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Baltas
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Posted - 08 Jan 2016 : 12:29:17
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Originally posted by sleyvas
Hmmmm, I'm liking this concept a whole lot, in that Auril may be Cegilune. I'd never heard that name Cailleach Bheur before and had wondered where the name Bheur came from. This fits even better with the fact that in the Unapproachable east, I had written up some homebrew stuff that Dun-Tharos, which was previously known as Narathmault when the Dark Elves were there in -10400 DR, was known by an entirely different name when the giant kingdoms were around and was filled with ogres and hags. The place at that time was known as Bheuristahl and they had been led to it by Cegilune, and the hags were some of the first "fey" to come over.
Now, whether its that Auril killed and seized Cegilune's portfolios, or they've always been the same being.... that's a good question. Having Cegilune in the realms being called Cailleach Bheur would make sense, since I don't believe we have many entries where she's mentioned in canon.
Very interesting, and good idea with Bheuristahl.
Also, I think we have two possible pantheons worshipped by Mulan in Ed Realms, the Sounthern Gods(Bhaelros, Asurran, possibly Set the Serpent God, who may be identical with Sseth), and the Elemental Gods, seeing the share popularity of the 4 Elemental Gods in the areas close to Mulan. |
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sleyvas
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Posted - 08 Jan 2016 : 13:42:45
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One thing I would stress here is that it wasn't the Mulan. In canon lore the Mulan peoples came about from the Imaskari and the people they captured who worshipped the Egyptian and Babylonian gods mating and breeding a new people (the Mulan people). The people who were in where modern Rashemen/Thay/Thesk/Mulhorand/Unther long ago were of different breeds. In Mulhorand and Unther, they were the Turami, and the modern people of Chessenta to my view appear to be of Mulan/Turami breeding primarily. The people of "the unapproachable east" areas appear to have also been a mixed bag, that got even more mixed when the Rus showed up.
Below from the FR WIKI, which corresponds to a lot of the source material.
"The Turami were native to the region around the Alamber Sea, but they were displaced by the migrating Mulan tribes after the fall of Imaskar in #8722;2488 DR.[1][2] They came to settle in the area around Alaghôn and founded the nation of Turmish in #8722;37 DR."
I'd have to look up what all was in the unapproachable east area, but the people of Ashanath/Shaundaular were one "group", and the people across lake Tirulag in Rashemen were another, then there were the peoples of the "hordelands" area who actually formed the Raumathar empire with its capital of Winterkeep.
So, on the Auril thing though.... it hits me now that the Durthans origins make a great story if they originally were focused on the Unseelie Court and worship of the Queen of Air and Darkness. It fits with their cold affinity, especially if Auril is the Queen of Air and Darkness (and in Rashemen maybe that's ALL they know her as).
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Baltas
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Posted - 08 Jan 2016 : 13:58:36
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Yeah, but I meant that the Southern Gods and Elemental Gods were worsahipped by possibly Ed Realm Mulan, before Mulan were though of as interlopers and captured slaves from Earth.
I guess through that if we get the Mulan as Imaskari and slave crossbreeds, who arrived at Turami teritiries, the Southern gods could be original deities of Turami, while Elemental Gods those of Raurini.
Not to mention, the first detailed aperance of Mulan in canon, the Old Empires, had the Mulan as a break-of part of the Raurini pupulation, and even suggested that Gods of the Mulhorand and Unther Pantheons, were in reality Imaskari who killed and drained their old gods:
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Legends
speak of a great war in which powerful
humans fought against the gods to
wrest away their power. The humans
won and became god-kings, but the war
destroyed their kingdoms. These godkings,
Re and Enlil, led the shattered
remnants of their peoples into Mulhorand
and Unther. The two god-kings
and their spouses became the leaders of
the royal houses of these two nations.
The fact that the Mulan and their gods came from our Earth, appeared first I think in Powers & Pantheons book.
Also, about the Durthans, I think it's a great idea they would be Unseelie Court worshippers.
Especially that the faith of Hidded One, Bhaalla and Khelliara arrived later in Rashemen, from Thesk. So it's possible originally Wychlaran worshipped Faerie Gods(both the Seelie and Unseelie Courts), before the faith god displaced, but while the Hathrans converted to the faith of Hidded One, Bhaalla and Khelliara, the Durthans still worship the Unseelie Court. |
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sleyvas
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Posted - 09 Jan 2016 : 01:05:32
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quote:
Originally posted by Baltas
Yeah, but I meant that the Southern Gods and Elemental Gods were worsahipped by possibly Ed Realm Mulan, before Mulan were though of as interlopers and captured slaves from Earth.
I guess through that if we get the Mulan as Imaskari and slave crossbreeds, who arrived at Turami teritiries, the Southern gods could be original deities of Turami, while Elemental Gods those of Raurini.
Not to mention, the first detailed aperance of Mulan in canon, the Old Empires, had the Mulan as a break-of part of the Raurini pupulation, and even suggested that Gods of the Mulhorand and Unther Pantheons, were in reality Imaskari who killed and drained their old gods:
quote:
Legends
speak of a great war in which powerful
humans fought against the gods to
wrest away their power. The humans
won and became god-kings, but the war
destroyed their kingdoms. These godkings,
Re and Enlil, led the shattered
remnants of their peoples into Mulhorand
and Unther. The two god-kings
and their spouses became the leaders of
the royal houses of these two nations.
The fact that the Mulan and their gods came from our Earth, appeared first I think in Powers & Pantheons book.
Also, about the Durthans, I think it's a great idea they would be Unseelie Court worshippers.
Especially that the faith of Hidded One, Bhaalla and Khelliara arrived later in Rashemen, from Thesk. So it's possible originally Wychlaran worshipped Faerie Gods(both the Seelie and Unseelie Courts), before the faith god displaced, but while the Hathrans converted to the faith of Hidded One, Bhaalla and Khelliara, the Durthans still worship the Unseelie Court.
Or possibly that we've got it wrong as to who the Hidden One, Bhalla, and Khelliara are (or were if they've been supplanted).... and maybe they are Seelie Court members representing Spring, Summer, Fall... or some other tripartite thing in relation to the Fey.
But, yes, definitely the Durthans of old are now worshippers of the Queen of Air & Darkness now in my book. If I ever run another 3.5 campaign setting, I may have some other Durthan prestige classes to promote maybe "Durthan" warlocks serving the Unseelie Court/QoA&D. I can definitely see some "Durthan" binders as well using the rules from Secrets of Pact Magic. Then, a "Durthan" prestige class that works like a mystic theurge promoting cleric/favored soul/druid/spirit shamans and wizards/sorcerors/bards/warmages/beguilers. |
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Baltas
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Posted - 10 Jan 2016 : 15:24:51
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Well, it's also possible that "The Three", are a conflation/syncretisation of Seelie Worship and a Triune Goddess from Thesk.
The "The Three" migh be even in part an adaptation of the elven Angharradh. |
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sleyvas
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Posted - 11 Jan 2016 : 03:09:11
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Originally posted by Baltas
Well, it's also possible that "The Three", are a conflation/syncretisation of Seelie Worship and a Triune Goddess from Thesk.
The "The Three" migh be even in part an adaptation of the elven Angharradh.
Angharradh would be an interesting choice, if only she were 3 different elven deities. Of the 3 goddesses, only Sehanine really matches up to the other two.
Yes, I think them being something with ties to the Seelie works best. Khelliara and Fionnghuala, leader of the swan maidens, are comparable, but then again, maybe Khelliara fits some OTHER form of "animal maiden".... maybe she is leader of the deer maidens, or the tressym maidens, or the asperii maidens, or the griffin maidens, or maybe someone can come up with something better.
Bhalla would seem to best represent a fertility/mother personage... and oddly, Shiallia doesn't LOOK the part, but her interests would actually fit this VERY well. I wonder if Bhalla and Shiallia could be the same deity.
Or another option starts to appear in my head.... I believe there was a LeShay group that was in the Eastern Realms that interacted with Imaskar. Could at least some of these beings have been LeShay who were elevated to godhood by mortal worshippers?
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Baltas
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Posted - 11 Jan 2016 : 09:15:26
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Angharradh would be an interesting choice, if only she were 3 different elven deities. Of the 3 goddesses, only Sehanine really matches up to the other two.
Yes, I think them being something with ties to the Seelie works best. Khelliara and Fionnghuala, leader of the swan maidens, are comparable, but then again, maybe Khelliara fits some OTHER form of "animal maiden".... maybe she is leader of the deer maidens, or the tressym maidens, or the asperii maidens, or the griffin maidens, or maybe someone can come up with something better.
Bhalla would seem to best represent a fertility/mother personage... and oddly, Shiallia doesn't LOOK the part, but her interests would actually fit this VERY well. I wonder if Bhalla and Shiallia could be the same deity.
Or another option starts to appear in my head.... I believe there was a LeShay group that was in the Eastern Realms that interacted with Imaskar. Could at least some of these beings have been LeShay who were elevated to godhood by mortal worshippers?
Indeed, there are quite similarities between Bhalla and Shiallia names and portfolio. Curiously, Herne is both active around the Great Dale, and High Forest, so Shialla may also have such a West/East separated places of cult.
About the Three and Angharradh, there are some vague similarities.
Hanail's Love protfoio could translate into Bhalla's fertility, Aerdrie Faenya Could be seen as analogous to Khelliara, and Sehanine to Mystra, by her Mysticism and Dreams portolio.
But stioll, I meant a vague inspiration for a triune goddess, rather than the Three actually being originally Angharradh.
About LeShay, the Elves of Faerun fan project, suggested that actually the Seldarine and Orc pantheons, might be ascended LeShay. |
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