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Dargoth
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 Posted - 17 Mar 2004 : 03:25:16
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Gaming Report got a hold of WOTC release scheduele for the last Trimester and theres nothing after July. There are only 2 FR gaming supplements this year
For those who want to see the bad news for themselves
http://www.gamingreport.com/article.php?sid=12177
Grrr Bloody Eberron!
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VEDSICA
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Posted - 17 Mar 2004 : 03:48:20
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 17 Mar 2004 : 04:00:59
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It's just limited to FR gaming products only VEDSICA.
Remember, there are still current trilogies (as well as trilogies still to come), several novel series, and a number of stand-alone novels that are all scheduled for release beyond the period of July 2004.
This is distressing news however. It appears that FR has now taken a back seat to the Eberron setting. While I can understand WotC wanting to concentrate on giving the setting as much support as possible during the first few months of it's release, I hope this is only a temporary trend.
I mean, we know for instance, that the Waterdeep sourcebook, as well as several other sourcebooks that Dargoth mentioned previously, are scheduled for release late next year, so I suppose a little waiting isn't that bad...
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Dargoth
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Posted - 17 Mar 2004 : 04:27:03
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It's just limited to FR gaming products only VEDSICA.
Remember, there are still current trilogies (as well as trilogies still to come), several novel series, and a number of stand-alone novels that are all scheduled for release beyond the period of July 2004.
This is distressing news however. It appears that FR has now taken a back seat to the Eberron setting. While I can understand WotC wanting to concentrate on giving the setting as much support as possible during the first few months of it's release, I hope this is only a temporary trend.
I mean, we know for instance, that the Waterdeep sourcebook, as well as several other sourcebooks that Dargoth mentioned previously, are scheduled for release late next year, so I suppose a little waiting isn't that bad...
whats really annoying is that last year Rich said it was likely there would be 4 FR source books a year and instead weve gone gone backwards and its down to TWO!!
As for the non FR
Planar Handbook: Not alot of use to the FR our cosmologys different
Eberron Shadows of the Last War: No thanks!
Races of Stone: The Forgotton Realms already has Races of Faerun
Monster Manual III: ahhh given WOTC recent lack of Origionality in this depart this doesnt exactly inspire
Libris Mortis (Sourcebook for Undead): This is the only one that gets me really excited
So it looks like its LM and the D&D minis for me
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The Sage
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Posted - 17 Mar 2004 : 04:40:52
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Well, as I've said previously, I probably will not bother with the Planar Handbook either, mainly because Beyond Countless Doorways (written by the original Planescape team) is due for release around the same time...Every scribe here should by now know, how I feel about WotC's generalised planar (MotP) cosmology.
If I do pick up the Eberron campaign setting, and if it also piques my curiosity, then I may consider the Last War adventure.
I'm divided on the Races of Stone tome though. Gnomes are my favorite race, but then I've already got a great deal of gnomishlore as it is. And I really can't foresee WotC generating any new or original material for this book beyond some skills, feats, and a few PrCs.
The Monster Manual III...what more can be said of this, you either like Wizard's monster books, or you don't, it's as simple as that.
I'm sure Libris Mortis will be the one WotC tome every gamer purchases though, mainly because it deals with undead, and undead feature prominently in many campaigns regardless of setting.
Looking over this though, I'm now glad that I often also make purchases outside of the D&D core products...
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 17 Mar 2004 : 04:42:35
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Originally posted by Dargoth
whats really annoying is that last year Rich said it was likely there would be 4 FR source books a year and instead weve gone gone backwards and its down to TWO!!
As someone who was suspicious of Eberron cutting into Realms' production, I'm going to show some maturity here and say let's not hit the panic button yet or in my case, the "Watcha talking about Willis?" button.
I read this story before I signed onto the board tonight and the lack of FR stood out. I hope that it's just the case that Gaming Report didn't receive the full schedule or, with their hotel's dial-up modem, hasn't gotten a complete release schedule up. Some of those months look too thin for me to think this is the final schedule. It may be, but I'm not going to blow a gasket just yet.
Now, if it turns out they did put all their attention to Eberron and FR fans won't get anything after Serpent Kingdoms than I'm going to be a race car in the red.
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Dargoth
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Posted - 17 Mar 2004 : 04:54:19
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The Monster Manual III...what more can be said of this, you either like Wizard's monster books, or you don't, it's as simple as that.
I normally dont have a problem with WOTC monster books however Im getting a bit annoyed tehe lack of Origionallity
For example the Kythons are rip off of the Aliens from the Alien movies
then theres 2 Monsters in the Minis Handbook ones a knock off of the Rolling Droids from SW: Phantom menace and the Nothic which is a rip off of a creature in the Computer game Half Life |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 17 Mar 2004 : 05:12:36
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Actually the Kythons are just a reworking of an exact similar racial species from an old 2e Planescape tome. At the time, they were only considered a minor nuisance. However, WotC obviously felt the need to redesign, and reassign them in terms of the standard listing of D&D monsters...
I'll dig the old book out though, since I'm now curious to see where the inspiration for those older creatures cam from.
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BobROE
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Posted - 17 Mar 2004 : 05:26:30
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Originally posted by Dargoth
whats really annoying is that last year Rich said it was likely there would be 4 FR source books a year and instead weve gone gone backwards and its down to TWO!!
As for the non FR
Planar Handbook: Not alot of use to the FR our cosmologys different
Eberron Shadows of the Last War: No thanks!
Races of Stone: The Forgotton Realms already has Races of Faerun
Monster Manual III: ahhh given WOTC recent lack of Origionality in this depart this doesnt exactly inspire
Libris Mortis (Sourcebook for Undead): This is the only one that gets me really excited
So it looks like its LM and the D&D minis for me
But it's excludes stuff they have annouced like the 30th aniversery book or the Basic Set, so I doubt it's complete.
And Thomas M. Reid said the FR source book he wrote is supposed to be out in november so I say relax a little, wait for Wizards to put stuff up on their website or for Rich Baker to confirm/deny things. |
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Lord Rad
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Posted - 17 Mar 2004 : 08:38:16
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Great! Just Great! 
First they take away out FR adventures, now sourcebooks are thinning out..... if theyre not careful FR will end up a novel-only campaign setting, just like Dragonlance did!  |
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Arivia
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Posted - 17 Mar 2004 : 09:39:54
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*Points at Dragonlance non-WotC products*
That's what happened to Dragonlance, Rad.
And that might not be a bad thing for the FR... |
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Lord Rad
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Posted - 17 Mar 2004 : 10:15:04
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*Points at Dragonlance non-WotC products*
That's what happened to Dragonlance, Rad.
And that might not be a bad thing for the FR...
Quite right, Arivia. Although I can never see WotC letting go of FR in that sense.
Now, I heard recently that there is to be a new Monsters of Faerun product released next year.....anyone confirm this? Cant remember where I heard this news. Hopefully the product will be done in the same vein as other FR products, rather than the D&D Core style that the current MoF product is  |
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Alexander Heppe
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Posted - 17 Mar 2004 : 11:24:30
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from the above mentioned Website:
There are obviously some holes in this schedule
It is this quote that keeps me hoping. Maybe there are more releases. Hopefully there are more releases. I. need. my. regular. Realms. fix. Please?
WotC can´t let us down. The FR-Fans are a real and strong customer base, with a lot of die-hard collectors and fan-boys strewn in between. They depend on us, don´t they? O.k. maybe they sell other "games" as well, but they can´t be making that much money out of it. Well, although they probably do make some oney out of other stuff as well, I still believe there are some guys at WotC with a heart for us Faerúnian Wanderers, they must have!!! |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 17 Mar 2004 : 12:30:39
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Originally posted by Rad
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Originally posted by Arivia
*Points at Dragonlance non-WotC products*
That's what happened to Dragonlance, Rad.
And that might not be a bad thing for the FR...
Quite right, Arivia. Although I can never see WotC letting go of FR in that sense.
Now, I heard recently that there is to be a new Monsters of Faerun product released next year.....anyone confirm this? Cant remember where I heard this news. Hopefully the product will be done in the same vein as other FR products, rather than the D&D Core style that the current MoF product is
Yes, I've heard the same thing over at EN World. It is supposed to be another revised monster book, with a number of new monstrous creatures added that didn't make it into the final work. If it is a revised work, I really cannot see the point in such a product. Also, if the 'revised' rumors are true, and we now also know of a halting in the release of FR sourcebooks, this is indeed a disturbing turn of events...
Arivia said -
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*Points at Dragonlance non-WotC products*
That's what happened to Dragonlance, Rad.
And that might not be a bad thing for the FR...
Indeed...One need only look to the calibre of gaming products scheduled for release to support the DLCS to see that the 'temporary-sleep-time' of DL has been a good thing. It's given designers time to focus their creative energies like never before...
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Lord Rad
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Posted - 17 Mar 2004 : 13:43:26
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Indeed...One need only look to the calibre of gaming products scheduled for release to support the DLCS to see that the 'temporary-sleep-time' of DL has been a good thing. It's given designers time to focus their creative energies like never before...
I never picked up the new DL Campaign Setting book, how do you rate it? The supplements look pretty good too. Im not overly impressed by the new Ravenloft releases since White Wolf took over. Very bad artwork, and mostly recycled material. Still, better to be alive and hanging by a thread than to be six feet under! |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 17 Mar 2004 : 14:00:48
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Well, let me put it this way...If you remember the old 2e Dragonlance Adventures hardback...that tome was considered THE book for understanding all things Dragonlance. The new 3.5 DLCS not only supersedes the old DLA, but also stays true to the measure of comprehensiveness and overall consistency that has always been a mainstay of every DL product released...A very large step in the right direction...
The White Wolf artwork for the new Ravenloft releases is poor, but I've been rather pleased with most of the updated source material. Granted, most of it is simply recycled, but remember, not much has occured since the Requiem, and most of the Core is still coming to terms with the effects of the Grand Conjunction...
Also, there's only been two and a half years of game time since the new editions release. Most of the new plotlines for the setting are still developing.
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 17 Mar 2004 : 15:36:44
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Originally posted by Rad
First they take away out FR adventures, now sourcebooks are thinning out..... if theyre not careful FR will end up a novel-only campaign setting, just like Dragonlance did!
I've heard that theory advanced before that WOTC would make a move to push FR into being novels only. IF, IF, they are going at least half a year without publishing any FR gaming product, this theory is going to gain a new set of believers. |
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 17 Mar 2004 : 15:38:23
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And that might not be a bad thing for the FR...
But, wouldn't that hinder any new fans coming to the Realms if it was novels only? |
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 17 Mar 2004 : 15:42:46
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Originally posted by BobROE
And Thomas M. Reid said the FR source book he wrote is supposed to be out in november so I say relax a little, wait for Wizards to put stuff up on their website or for Rich Baker to confirm/deny things.
He said November? Can you find the thread for that? I thought he said his novel would come out in November and he believed that the source book he worked on would come out in the 4th quarter but had no firm date.
I agree that it's best to wait to get confirmation from Richard Baker. However, I was just at gaming report looking at slides from their show and WOTC did have one slide, with one bottom half showing FR products coming out. They had Serpent Kingdoms listed and that's it. Thus, I can understand if gaming report feels that is it for the year.
One half of one slide.....yeesh...why not just put it way in one corner with very small font and require viewers to use a magnifying glass to view it. |
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Arivia
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Posted - 17 Mar 2004 : 20:07:09
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Rad
Now, I heard recently that there is to be a new Monsters of Faerun product released next year.....anyone confirm this? Cant remember where I heard this news. Hopefully the product will be done in the same vein as other FR products, rather than the D&D Core style that the current MoF product is
Yes, I've heard the same thing over at EN World. It is supposed to be another revised monster book, with a number of new monstrous creatures added that didn't make it into the final work. If it is a revised work, I really cannot see the point in such a product. Also, if the 'revised' rumors are true, and we now also know of a halting in the release of FR sourcebooks, this is indeed a disturbing turn of events...
Well, we do know this information must have been cut very late from Player's Guide to Faerun, as there was an art order submitted and (partially?) completed for the monsters. I'm not sure if that's good or not...
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Arivia said -
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*Points at Dragonlance non-WotC products*
That's what happened to Dragonlance, Rad.
And that might not be a bad thing for the FR...
Indeed...One need only look to the calibre of gaming products scheduled for release to support the DLCS to see that the 'temporary-sleep-time' of DL has been a good thing. It's given designers time to focus their creative energies like never before...
I also meant that we might get to see less of an emphasis on crunch, and more on actual Realmslore. |
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 17 Mar 2004 : 20:46:33
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Originally posted by Arivia
I also meant that we might get to see less of an emphasis on crunch, and more on actual Realmslore.
I don't know about that. Based on some comments Richard Baker made on the WOTC board before I left, I doubt the crunch emphasis will ever change unless consumer preference changes. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 18 Mar 2004 : 02:52:40
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| No, current WotC 'crunch' trends are unfortunately unlikely to change. There's even talk over on the WotC message boards that Eberron will also focus on 'crunch' once the initial CS is released...and this is for a setting that hasn't even come out yet... |
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 18 Mar 2004 : 03:59:04
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No, current WotC 'crunch' trends are unfortunately unlikely to change. There's even talk over on the WotC message boards that Eberron will also focus on 'crunch' once the initial CS is released...and this is for a setting that hasn't even come out yet...
Oh I'm absolutely certain it will. There's no doubt in my mind on that. I can't blame WOTC if what Richard Baker said on customer's buying trends regarding FR is any indication on the RPG market as a whole and I have seen nothing to incdicate he has been nothing less than honest when answering questions. Why would a company give anything but what the majority of consumers want? And apparently the majority of consumers want the crunch and pretty much only the crunch at times. Sad in my opinion, and I can use a great many stronger words, but hey, I can't fault WOTC for wanting to stay in business. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 18 Mar 2004 : 04:21:19
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You're absolutely right Sirius...
It's times like this that the old phrase 'Majority Rules', reminds us all, of the frequent unfairness evident in the gaming industry today. It's more apparent now, than 5-to-10 years ago, and that is the really disappointing element in this whole sad saga...
I've always believed that there is room to accomodate both types of gamers, those motivated by 'fluff', and those motivated by 'crunch'. The 2e Planescape setting was evidence enough that such a trend can exist...if only for a while...
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Dargoth
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Posted - 18 Mar 2004 : 05:27:52
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Rich Baker posted the following in the FR mailing list
"Unfortunately, our guidelines on when we can talk about which new products don't permit me to say very much about the future plans for the FR line. However, I will tell you this: After Serpent Kingdoms, we've got another 2004 product coming out in the fall, and we're hard at work on three 2005 products -- including a high-profile book by a couple of noted Realms designers. The novel line is also doing pretty well; I'm starting work on the second book in my "Last Mythal" trilogy now, in fact.
Overall, our product plans call for Eberron and FR to receive similar levels of support for the next couple of years. Eberron is definitely not displacing FR, at least not in the foreseeable future."
So I guess we can put down the pitch forks and burning Efegies of WOTC management.
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 18 Mar 2004 : 05:49:55
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Rich Baker posted the following in the FR mailing list
"Unfortunately, our guidelines on when we can talk about which new products don't permit me to say very much about the future plans for the FR line. However, I will tell you this: After Serpent Kingdoms, we've got another 2004 product coming out in the fall, and we're hard at work on three 2005 products -- including a high-profile book by a couple of noted Realms designers. The novel line is also doing pretty well; I'm starting work on the second book in my "Last Mythal" trilogy now, in fact.
Overall, our product plans call for Eberron and FR to receive similar levels of support for the next couple of years. Eberron is definitely not displacing FR, at least not in the foreseeable future."
So I guess we can put down the pitch forks and burning Efegies of WOTC management.
Thank you for posting this.
Actually, I still think a torch might need to be kept on hand for someone. The other 2004 product is most likely the Lost Empires book or Lost Civilizations...whatever they wish to call it.
However, the torch is needed because let me get this straight...at GAMA...a huge gathering.....FR releases for this year get what? One part of one slide? Nothing else? But, Eberron gets the red carpet? I understand about wanting to get a new campaign going, but I'm curious on why FR didn't get any hype? Such an action can make one think that WOTC wants Eberron to displace FR. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 18 Mar 2004 : 06:46:13
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Well, for the most part, this is certainly good to hear, especially straight from the mouth of Rich Baker.
Although, I did find something a little disturbing with a part of what he said, namely -
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Eberron is definitely not displacing FR, at least not in the foreseeable future.
So the FR is secure, at least for now. The future of the setting though, appears to be within a slight sphere of doubt...
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Lord Rad
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Posted - 18 Mar 2004 : 08:51:23
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| Remembering that FR is WotC's biggest selling campaign setting (not that they have many, unlike the days of TSR!) and any new campaign settings they release (i.e. Eberron) receive a lot of advertising.....advertising seen by a lot of current D&D\FR fans. If FR fans feel that FR will take a back seat to Eberron then they will boycott it! WotC's tactic of putting Eberron first can easily backfire. Many will think that in order to let FR survive, Eberron must not suceed! WotC could easily shoot themselves in the foot by promoting Eberron too hard and neglecting FR! |
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The Sage
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Posted - 18 Mar 2004 : 09:09:30
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Hmmm...you are right.
I've slowly come to adjust to the feel of Eberron, although I'm certain I won't stage a campaign there. As it is, I wish Wizards all the best in an attempting to promote this new setting, because, as we know, it's coming into a heavily competitive environment.
Actually, this situation reminds me of WotC's early championing of the 3e Greyhawk setting...We all know how that saga ended now don't we...
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 18 Mar 2004 : 16:58:17
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Actually, this situation reminds me of WotC's early championing of the 3e Greyhawk setting...We all know how that saga ended now don't we...
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Bad news people Serpent Kingdoms is it for 2004
