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arilyn742
Seeker
Ireland
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 Posted - 16 Mar 2004 : 20:44:33
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...but I didn't really introduce myself properly, so...
Hi, I'm arilyn742.
I LIKE:
Forgotten Realms
Dungeons & Dragons
Magic: the Gathering (game and novels)
Books by RA Salvatore, Elaine Cunningham and JRR Tolkien
Lord of the Rings movies
Star Wars
Final Fantasy games
The Matrix
Germanic and Celtic Mythologies
I DISLIKE:
People who dislike any of the above (eg: William Schnoebelen)
The general attitudes of outsiders to most of the above
I have been greatly influenced by Tolkien-related cinema, so please be aware that I may make a comment that doesn't seem to make sense (it's probably related to either this or the Matrix).
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Yonde iru, mune no doko ka oku de
Itsumo kokoro odoru yume wo mitai
Kanashimi wa kazoekirenai keredo
Sono mukou de kitto anata ni aeru |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2004 : 21:01:53
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Hmmm... Welcome... er... no... Well, may you stay at the Keep for many more months. (Yes, that's it. ) |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Ezindir the dark
Senior Scribe
Norway
603 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2004 : 21:24:21
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Welcome!
But what do you think of the Tolkien-related Cinema? Just curius.
And what do you like so much about germanic mytholegy`? I bet the Norwegian are much better.  Even thought it is very similar, or is it...... |
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arilyn742
Seeker
Ireland
54 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2004 : 22:27:53
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Well, I use Germanic (even though I think it is a linguistic term) to refer to Scandinavian, German, English, etc. I say this because Norse does not include one of my personal faves (and Tolkien's, might I add) of Andvari and his cursed Ring. I prefer it to most other mythologies I've looked into because of ... everything: the Ragnarok stuff, Njord/Nerthus (if you can import a copy over there, you really must read Brian Branston's The Lost Gods of England), and various other things...
I owe my interest in this to my earlier interest in LotR, which I got into because of Peter Jackson's The Fellowship of the Ring and Ralph Bakshi's The Lord of the Rings.
I sometimes (as in a recent post on this forum) make jokes specifically about LotR movies, sometimes about them and other movies with one or more of the actors:
Elrond/Agent Smith: "I saw your future, Mrs. Arwen, I watched you die..." (If you haven't seen Return of the King and The Matrix Reloaded, you probably won't get this one...)
EDIT: (Just to calrify.) By the way, I love Tolkien's works, including the movies. |
Yonde iru, mune no doko ka oku de
Itsumo kokoro odoru yume wo mitai
Kanashimi wa kazoekirenai keredo
Sono mukou de kitto anata ni aeru |
Edited by - arilyn742 on 16 Mar 2004 22:30:44 |
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Narad Bladesinger
Learned Scribe
Finland
170 Posts |
Posted - 17 Mar 2004 : 18:38:00
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About those mythologies that you were talking about, did you know that Tolkien studied Finland's own for LOTR?
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arilyn742
Seeker
Ireland
54 Posts |
Posted - 17 Mar 2004 : 18:51:35
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Yes, and Ireland's too (hence the Celtic). But mainly Norse mythology. I haven't gotten around to reading a translation of the Kalevala, yet, though I will eventually...
I have my looking into the origins of LotR to thank for my interest in ancient mythology, although I have come to resent Classical stuff being so overrated now... |
Yonde iru, mune no doko ka oku de
Itsumo kokoro odoru yume wo mitai
Kanashimi wa kazoekirenai keredo
Sono mukou de kitto anata ni aeru |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 18 Mar 2004 : 13:02:16
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Oh, you must be new. I'm sure I haven't seen you around before . . . .
Ah, yes, Schnoebelen. A prime example of the journalist who doesn't check his facts on the off chance that they might discredit what he wants people to think. To think he has the gall to footnote so many things, but never give the background that he wants you to think is there. Reminds me of a certain U.S. Presidential candidate, claiming that foreign powers want him in charge. (Like Iran, Saudi Arabia, North Korea . . . .)
Anyway, I also have a bit of irritation on "Classical" mythology's precedence, when mythologies elsewhere have so many rich stories to provide. Personally, I like sticking to the non-divine, non-human areas -- spirits, ghosties, goblins, and other beasties. That's something that's overlooked in classical mythology, for some strange reason. Sure, we have the Sphinx, the Minataur, the Chimera . . . but those are supposed to be unique beings. Off the top of my head, I can only name two mythological "species" from classical mythology, at least that are normally taught in standard texts: the harpies and the centaurs. I suppose that the nyads and dryads and such could be included, but they're usually referred to as demigods. |
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arilyn742
Seeker
Ireland
54 Posts |
Posted - 18 Mar 2004 : 22:46:56
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Yes, well I think if they command worship they count as gods. The way I see it, the more primitive the civilization, the more magic and mystery there is to their mythology. (By the way, what about these "daimons"? I haven't heard much of them, but they were supposedly servants of the gods, and Christians took the word and made it into "demon"...)
Norse myth may be about "gods", but their fairly mortal (in one story they temporarily lose their apples of youth and grow old). Irish (probably Celtic in general, as the Danube is named after their creator, Danu) tells of these fairies and the like, who were originally the Tuatha De Danann (gods), and were some of the main influences on Tolkien's elves. They sailed away to Tir na nOg, the Land of the Ever Young, which is (probably) a(n indirect) basis for FR's Evermeet, as this probably comes from Tolkien's Valinor.
Arthurian mythology, while easily good enough to be overdone and still good, has been perverted beyond all salvation. There are probably hundreds of movies about Arthur, but I have yet to see one that mentions Morgan Le Fey (sp?), Avalon, the Lady of the Lake, or even Mordred (one time-slip, starring Whoopie Goldberg, seemed to set up Merlin as the villain!).
Sorry about the lecture for those of you who aren't interested, but I tend to get caught up in my own writings... |
Yonde iru, mune no doko ka oku de
Itsumo kokoro odoru yume wo mitai
Kanashimi wa kazoekirenai keredo
Sono mukou de kitto anata ni aeru |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 19 Mar 2004 : 07:59:00
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The daimons (also, and more commonly, spelled daemons) were the Greek spirits. What spirits? Well, any spirit. Evil or good. The only criteria was that it was incoporeal and non-divine. Because of Christian influence, they became more sinister. Later, missionaries would be more careful in figuring out if local spirits and legends were aspects of God, or servents of Hell.
As for King Arthur movies, you obviously haven't seen the movie Merlin. It's got all of that. Including going back to the original sword -- meaning that both Uther and Arther had the same one. Merlin is played mostly (in adult and old-age) by Sam Neil, who really shines in that part. You can pick it up at Amazon, but I don't know if it's the extended play version or not. It was a TV movie, like The Tenth Kingdom and The Magical Legend of the Leprechauns (the latter shortened to just Leprechauns on the box), but the version I rented had a lot of scenes cut out. I really don't know why . . . . |
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The Cardinal
Senior Scribe
Canada
647 Posts |
Posted - 19 Mar 2004 : 08:15:02
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EH? Arthur.... Hmmm, Only movie we can think of right now is 'Excalibur' .... Yeah... We think it shows all those characters... although some might be brief... and somewhat dated (perhaps no more dated than many of us though)
Intresting on how missionaries we the be all and end all of what was 'good' and 'evil', Eh bookwyrm? Alas, we know only a smattering of Norse, nothing of Celts and most likely a butchered rendition of Greek.... Although we were more fond of the Titans than the greek gods in their mythology. We wondered how far it would have evolved further had Zeus followed the same curse that befell both his Father and his Grandfather? |
It has to be Certain, the Gods Hate Me. For whatever irrevokable Fate, I have been made the walking Joke. Either that, or Beshaba is overlyfond Of Me.
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 20 Mar 2004 : 02:43:24
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Hmmm, I think I see Alaundo coming to tap his staff on certain off-topic scribes' heads!   |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 20 Mar 2004 : 11:16:28
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quote:
Originally posted by Shadowlord
Hmmm, I think I see Alaundo coming to tap his staff on certain off-topic scribes' heads!
Well met
Aye, 'tis a waste of valuable ink and parchment, Shadowlord. This staff is beginning to have seen better days too....maybe I need to use alternative methods 
Now, If nobody else has any words of greeting for arilyn742, then lets get back to work  |
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The Cardinal
Senior Scribe
Canada
647 Posts |
Posted - 20 Mar 2004 : 23:28:01
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* Flinching away from Alaundo's words, Deimos produces a bucket and scrubbing brush*
Aye, aye... Back to work back to work...
* Deimos scampers off further into the Keep* |
It has to be Certain, the Gods Hate Me. For whatever irrevokable Fate, I have been made the walking Joke. Either that, or Beshaba is overlyfond Of Me.
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