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Narad Bladesinger
Learned Scribe
Finland
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 Posted - 16 Mar 2004 : 17:16:53
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I'm seriously worried about elven population on Faerun.
Long time ago they freed Faerun from the tyranny of dragons and giants and now they are getting chased out from everywhere.
There have been attacks to Evereska and Evermeet, and many elven forests are cut down by humans.
Is there a safe place for elves?
And I heard that on the attack on Evermeet the High Magic of elves was lost.
Is this true?
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2004 : 18:38:12
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Nay, High Magic 'twas not lost, Narad.
Speaking of which, the Retreat has ended so many elves are coming back to Faerūn. Also, there is a new elven haven, namely Dawntree, as detailed on the WotC website, written by Ed Greenwood. |
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"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 16 Mar 2004 : 19:19:46
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| Shadowlord is right. About Dawntree, it was created by three elves sitting around in a tavern in Waterdeep. Lol. See what a little alcohol can do for you? |
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
United Kingdom
2080 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2004 : 22:42:52
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Shadowlord is right. About Dawntree, it was created by three elves sitting around in a tavern in Waterdeep. Lol. See what a little alcohol can do for you?
Ack! Dawntree came to nothing and the Realmslore article is where it ends  
Lets see what happens in the Year of the Risen Elfkin though 
Yet again, I ask......... what of the Tree of Life?! Anybody? |
Lord Rad
"What? No, I wasn't reading your module. I was just looking at the pictures"
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 17 Mar 2004 : 00:38:49
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Rad, I believe that the question of the Tree of Life is one of those universal questions that, if and when you discover the answer, will either, bless you with great knowledge, or cause you to go insane...either way, you will then know...
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Mar 2004 : 04:34:44
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Originally posted by Rad
Lets see what happens in the Year of the Risen Elfkin though
Lots and lots of elves running around making cookies in trees.
The elves aren't going to face extinction. They have been knocked down by some mighty authors, I mean forces,  but they will be back and with a vengeance.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 17 Mar 2004 : 05:17:41
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The elves are an integral part of the Realms. It seems highly unlikely that both FR game designers, and FR authors would remove such a critical aspect of the core Realms. Without the elves, the Realms would lose a great deal of flavour (not to mention a great number of fans as well), and the setting would most likely. . . no, such a thing would never happen. Let us leave it at that...
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Narad Bladesinger
Learned Scribe
Finland
170 Posts |
Posted - 17 Mar 2004 : 15:17:18
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I didn't mean a complete extinction, just the direction that elven population is going.
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Originally posted by Shadowlord
Nay, High Magic 'twas not lost, Narad.
Speaking of which, the Retreat has ended so many elves are coming back to Faerūn. Also, there is a new elven haven, namely Dawntree, as detailed on the WotC website, written by Ed Greenwood.
I saw the Lost High Magic-thing on a FR-timeline, I just wanted to be sure.
And the Retreat has ended? Why?
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Shadowlord is right. About Dawntree, it was created by three elves sitting around in a tavern in Waterdeep. Lol. See what a little alcohol can do for you?
Elves mixed with alcohol...   |
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Cherrn
Learned Scribe
Denmark
323 Posts |
Posted - 17 Mar 2004 : 21:11:39
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The retreat has ended because Wizards wanted to remove any feeling of copying Lotr where the elves also went in retreat to the land to the west. That's what I think anyway.
Storywise I think the retreat has ended because the elves realised that they couldn't just turn a blind eye to what was happening in Faerun and live out their lives in peace and harmony on Evermeet. That place was supposed to be safe until Drow attacked, so it has been proven otherwise. Also I think the elves aren't particularly fond of the Drow incursion in Cormanthyr and Myth Drannor. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 18 Mar 2004 : 03:46:23
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| Excellent summary Cherrn. The Retreat being over definitely should liven things up even more in Faerun. I hope Richard Baker's new novel in August begins to show this possibility. |
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Narad Bladesinger
Learned Scribe
Finland
170 Posts |
Posted - 18 Mar 2004 : 14:45:35
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Originally posted by Cherrn
The retreat has ended because Wizards wanted to remove any feeling of copying Lotr where the elves also went in retreat to the land to the west. That's what I think anyway.
Storywise I think the retreat has ended because the elves realised that they couldn't just turn a blind eye to what was happening in Faerun and live out their lives in peace and harmony on Evermeet. That place was supposed to be safe until Drow attacked, so it has been proven otherwise. Also I think the elves aren't particularly fond of the Drow incursion in Cormanthyr and Myth Drannor.
Good. I'm looking forward seeing the elven population grow on Faerun.
Perhaps someday Comanthor will be fully in their control. But I don't think they'll be willing to play with mythals again...
But where do you think elves will concentrate on? Cormanthor? High forest?There aren't very many places to go to(of course I might be wrong, I'm not a loremaster) |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 18 Mar 2004 : 14:53:32
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The Elves will never return to Cormanthyr, Sembia's current foreign policy would make such a move difficult at best, and deadly at worst. Evereska is also hardly a consideration anymore, and the realm of the High Forest hasn't seen extensive Elven activity since the early days of Athalantar.
Maybe then, it's time for the elves to create a new home. I guess if all else fails, they could just move in with the Star Elves...
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
United Kingdom
2080 Posts |
Posted - 18 Mar 2004 : 16:06:50
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Originally posted by The Sage
Maybe then, it's time for the elves to create a new home. I guess if all else fails, they could just move in with the Star Elves...
Im not even gonna mention the Tree of Life again!  |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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Posted - 18 Mar 2004 : 16:23:58
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Too late . . . you just did.
You know, DMs could add in elven colonization attempts on those lands that are shaded out on the world map . . . that would be an interesting story. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 18 Mar 2004 : 16:35:13
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Originally posted by The Sage
Maybe then, it's time for the elves to create a new home. I guess if all else fails, they could just move in with the Star Elves...
Do they have to bring their own light bulbs if they move in? |
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Cherrn
Learned Scribe
Denmark
323 Posts |
Posted - 18 Mar 2004 : 20:35:18
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| No the star elves will have plenty attached to their forehead |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 19 Mar 2004 : 04:36:55
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Originally posted by Bookwyrm
Too late . . . you just did.
You know, DMs could add in elven colonization attempts on those lands that are shaded out on the world map . . . that would be an interesting story.
That's definitely a consideration, but then I don't think there would be a lot of areas neighbouring those shaded regions that would appreciate a mass migration of Elves right next-door, so to speak.
Also, the southern and eastern Realms appear to have a thriving prejudice against nearly all elves, which would make many colonisation efforts in those areas difficult.
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Narad Bladesinger
Learned Scribe
Finland
170 Posts |
Posted - 19 Mar 2004 : 14:19:02
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What's this all about the tree of life?
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
United Kingdom
2080 Posts |
Posted - 19 Mar 2004 : 14:55:58
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Originally posted by Narad Bladesinger
What's this all about the tree of life?
Thanks Sage Although I dont have my tomes to hand at the moment, so forgive the inaccuracies and spellings... but basically (SPOILERS FOR EVERMEET:ISLAND OF ELVES).......
Prince Lamauril(sp?), of the elven royal family of Evermeet, was given a small tree (imagine a bonzai) upon the decline of Evermeet, this tree (the Tree of Life) was indeed the lifesource of the island. It was given to him and then told to flee Evermeet and return to Faerun. Planting the tree would spread its lifeforce into the land and make a new settlement for the elves. The tree has the power to turn the land, thus transforming an arctic terrain into lush green forests etc.
Thats the last that was heard....I have constantly wanted to know the status of the mission and location of the tree. If it has yet taken root and begun to transform the land etc. Ed Greenwood recently teased about the outcome, but sounds like it will be a long time until we hear anything.
Apologies again for not remembering more accurate details, maybe another scribe (our resident elven lore expert, Arion Elenim perhaps) could fill in the gaps. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Mar 2004 : 21:29:35
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Originally posted by Rad
SPOILERS FOR EVERMEET:ISLAND OF ELVES).......
Thats the last that was heard....I have constantly wanted to know the status of the mission and location of the tree. If it has yet taken root and begun to transform the land etc. Ed Greenwood recently teased about the outcome, but sounds like it will be a long time until we hear anything.
I vaguely recall, over a year, maybe two years ago that on the FR Mailing list, Richard Baker posted a message asking for input on what a new novel trilogy focusing on the elves should include. One of the big things I screamed for was this, an update on Lamruil's new kingdom. I'm hoping that Ed's tease means that in some way, shape or form we will get some idea on what's happening with Lamuril's new realm in Richard Baker's upcoming trilogy.
I'll take anything, even two elves meeting each other.
Elf #1: Hi, haven't seen you in awhile.
Elf #2: Yes, I was up north helping with the new kingdom. Boy, does Prince Lamruil have his hands full. Anyway....
Something...anything, two lines.....is that asking for much? |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Mar 2004 : 08:25:28
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WotC official: "Yes, it is. We can't mention anything about it until we've worked out at least ten feats and three PrCs regarding the new kingdom . . . ."
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 20 Mar 2004 : 09:42:22
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Yes, WotC should simply have a web banner in place on their website that states their current 'product development policy', explaining much of what the Bookwyrm just said.
It's not what we like to hear, but at least we'd know either way...
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Mar 2004 : 15:53:08
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Originally posted by Bookwyrm
WotC official: "Yes, it is. We can't mention anything about it until we've worked out at least ten feats and three PrCs regarding the new kingdom . . . ."
You know what's sad? I honestly believe when they get around to explaining the new kingdom, that is what they will first concentrate on. "Okay, what three prestige classes are we going to make for this new kingdom?"
Oh, wait, we forgot step number one....a new elf race first will be created, then the prestige classes, then the feats.  |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Mar 2004 : 15:54:35
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Originally posted by The Sage
Yes, WotC should simply have a web banner in place on their website that states their current 'product development policy', explaining much of what the Bookwyrm just said.
The banner idea made me picture an advertisement block in the middle of novels whenever a new feat is shown in the writing. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 20 Mar 2004 : 16:32:28
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Originally posted by The Sage
Now that is a disturbing thought which I hope will never become a reality...
I can picture it now:
Drizzt raised his scimitars in front of him. The orcs exchanged fearful glances and then turned, fleeing back into the woods.
New Feat
Scimitar Shock and Awe
You can cause opponents to turn in fear and run thanks to your mighty skill with the scimitar.
And then after the rest of the feat was listed out, we'd get back to the novel.
Drizzt chased after the orcs...
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 20 Mar 2004 : 17:44:09
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Originally posted by Rad
quote:
Originally posted by Narad Bladesinger
What's this all about the tree of life?
Thanks Sage Although I dont have my tomes to hand at the moment, so forgive the inaccuracies and spellings... but basically (SPOILERS FOR EVERMEET:ISLAND OF ELVES).......
Prince Lamauril(sp?), of the elven royal family of Evermeet, was given a small tree (imagine a bonzai) upon the decline of Evermeet, this tree (the Tree of Life) was indeed the lifesource of the island. It was given to him and then told to flee Evermeet and return to Faerun. Planting the tree would spread its lifeforce into the land and make a new settlement for the elves. The tree has the power to turn the land, thus transforming an arctic terrain into lush green forests etc.
Thats the last that was heard....I have constantly wanted to know the status of the mission and location of the tree. If it has yet taken root and begun to transform the land etc. Ed Greenwood recently teased about the outcome, but sounds like it will be a long time until we hear anything.
Apologies again for not remembering more accurate details, maybe another scribe (our resident elven lore expert, Arion Elenim perhaps) could fill in the gaps.
Rad, a minor edit, if you will. 'Tis called the "Tree of Souls." Refer to page 487 of Evermeet: Island of Elves, paperback edition. The Tree of Life came from Baldur's Gate II. And the name is "Prince Lamruil." Also refer to Evermeet: Island of Elves, same page. |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
Edited by - Shadowlord on 21 Mar 2004 03:26:08 |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 21 Mar 2004 : 03:03:53
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Originally posted by Shadowlord
Rad, a minor edit, if you will. 'Tis called the "Tree of Souls." Refer to page 487 of Evermeet: Island of Elves. The Tree of Life came from Baldur's Gate II. And the name is "Prince Lamruil." Also refer to Evermeet: Island of Elves, same page.
A minor edit. If that's the paperback edition, as I suspect, please make sure you mention that in your reference. Otherwise, it might confuse some of us that have it in hardback. |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 21 Mar 2004 : 03:24:34
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Ah, right then. Consider the post edited already...  |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
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Posted - 21 Mar 2004 : 09:50:58
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quote:
Originally posted by Shadowlord
Rad, a minor edit, if you will. 'Tis called the "Tree of Souls." Refer to page 487 of Evermeet: Island of Elves, paperback edition. The Tree of Life came from Baldur's Gate II. And the name is "Prince Lamruil." Also refer to Evermeet: Island of Elves, same page.
 Ack, maybe i need to buy a second copy of the Elven Bible to keep at work
Thanks for the corrections Shadowlord, I surprised that nobody corrected me previously, even Ed, when I kept harping on about the Tree of Life, instead of Souls! |
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