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Shadowsoul
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 Posted - 17 Oct 2015 : 22:27:14
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Well we know the Srinshee showed Larloch a thing or two which shows just how powerful she is.
Now when the Trio Nefarious were laying waste to Myth Drannor, how come she didn't step forward and lay the Army of Darkness to waste?
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hashimashadoo
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Posted - 17 Oct 2015 : 22:36:44
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| After the Rule Tower was destroyed in 666 DR, the Srinshee abandoned Myth Drannor, taking Ar'Cor'Kerym and four High Mages with her. She wouldn't return until a suitable new ruler would take over the city, but that didn't happen until 1377. |
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Shadowsoul
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Posted - 17 Oct 2015 : 23:14:02
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Originally posted by hashimashadoo
After the Rule Tower was destroyed in 666 DR, the Srinshee abandoned Myth Drannor, taking Ar'Cor'Kerym and four High Mages with her. She wouldn't return until a suitable new ruler would take over the city, but that didn't happen until 1377.
But why? Why didn't she just use her power, along with the help of these high mages, and just blow the army away? |
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Shadowsoul
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Posted - 17 Oct 2015 : 23:14:49
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| I would say she is on the level with Ioulaum and he destroyed an entire Orc hoarde on his own. |
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hashimashadoo
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17 Oct 2015 : 23:42:32
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I don't think her motivations were ever stated - her followers refused to join the fighting because of their fervent belief that she would return to save the day (until Elminster convinced them that the Srinshee wouldn't have wanted them to). It's possible that the Srinshee was so dedicated to the IDEA of racial unification, that she feared her return before Myth Drannor was ready would do more damage than if she remained hidden.
There is a clue however, to be found in Secrets of the Magister. Alvaerele Tasundrym's entry states that the Srinshee is sleeping (remember that she wasn't a Baelnorn any more after Mystra returned her to life), suggesting that she was in stasis, possibly until her condition of a worthy ruler taking over Myth Drannor was met.
For a definitive answer, I'd ask Steven Schend to see if he remembers making a note of that. My guess would be however, that all it boils down to is thus:
We wanted Myth Drannor to have a reason for being in ruins. We came up with the Weeping War and didn't want an NPC in place who could throw a spanner into our plans, so we made an excuse to get rid of her. |
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Lilianviaten
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Posted - 18 Oct 2015 : 00:15:33
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Originally posted by Shadowsoul
Well we know the Srinshee showed Larloch a thing or two which shows just how powerful she is.
Now when the Trio Nefarious were laying waste to Myth Drannor, how come she didn't step forward and lay the Army of Darkness to waste?
There's probably not a very satisfying answer to that question, but I would submit that she only acted so boldly because Larloch made a play for the Weave. And we've all had it beaten into our heads that nobody can handle the Weave except for Mystra (though a mortal mage named Midnight who was unfit to steam the robes of Karsus or Larloch handled it just fine).
Thus, she knew that Larloch would inevitably fail to control the Weave and it would crash again. Elminster lacked the power to stop him, so it was up to Srinshee to protect the Weave. For me, that raises 2 huge questions.
#1) If Larloch hadn't wiped out all the Shadovar arcanists, what exactly did Srinshee plan to do? She waited until the absolute last minute to get involved, even though it was clear that the Shadovar were setting up a ritual to capture the Weave. So did Srinshee have any sort of actual plan, or did she just realize at the last possible moment that she needed to attack Larloch?
#2) Let's say the Srinshee had failed. Was Mystra going to do anything? Or was she going to stand idly by while someone took the Weave from her a 3rd time? I'm confused as to how Mystra always end up being completely clueless and powerless in these situations. She stopped Lolth in that adventure, yet she can't stop Larloch? |
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froglegg
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Posted - 18 Oct 2015 : 01:52:59
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Because WOTC/Suits said so.
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BenN
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Posted - 18 Oct 2015 : 08:59:43
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My take on this:
The Shrinshee could have intervened from the start, but to do so would make her the de facto leader of restored Myth Drannor, not Coronal Ilsevele Miritar. This is one of the key differences between the Shrinshee and others of similar power - she could take power & be a tyrant, but she chooses not to, instead entrusting the defence of Myth Drannor to Ilsevele, Phlar and their troops.
Only when it became clear that the city was doomed, and that the defenders were in danger of being wiped out, did she intervene. Not to save the city, but to save what remained of its defenders (including Ilsevele & Phlar).
Its kinda like how the Seldarine basically don't intervene directly in the affairs of the elves, leaving them to deal with life & death by themselves. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
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Posted - 18 Oct 2015 : 15:29:14
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Ben's got it right for the latest, but I think Shadowsoul was asking about the original Fall of Myth Drannor to the demons.
And I think, even if she was able to get out of stasis, she wouldn't come back then because the elves at the time would just use her saving the city as pro-elven propaganda. "See, it was an ELF that saved us, not these 'lesser' races." |
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jordanz
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Posted - 18 Oct 2015 : 22:12:47
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| Why didn't Elminster or Khelben confron the Nefarious 3? Were they busy elsewhere? I do recall Khekben getting ripped in half by a giant Daemon, but I cant recall if it was around this time. |
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Firestorm
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Posted - 19 Oct 2015 : 00:01:50
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Originally posted by jordanz
Why didn't Elminster or Khelben confron the Nefarious 3? Were they busy elsewhere? I do recall Khekben getting ripped in half by a giant Daemon, but I cant recall if it was around this time.
Elminster was like 500, Khelben 300 at the time.
Also can't remember how long Elminster was in Stasis for. he awakened from it in 759. |
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The Arcanamach
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Posted - 19 Oct 2015 : 00:47:48
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Posted by Lilianviaten:
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(though a mortal mage named Midnight who was unfit to steam the robes of Karsus or Larloch handled it just fine).
I don't really have solid proof of this but I've said before that Midnight was no ordinary mage. It HAS been stated that she had a 'special connection' with Mystra (from the 2e tome FR7 Hall of Heroes if memory serves). I've posited the idea of 'embedded avatars' before. Meaning avatars that are born into the world and aren't actually aware of their status. In Mystra's case, they serve as a safeguard in case she's destroyed. |
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BenN
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Posted - 19 Oct 2015 : 01:15:00
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
Ben's got it right for the latest, but I think Shadowsoul was asking about the original Fall of Myth Drannor to the demons.
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 19 Oct 2015 : 01:19:22
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Originally posted by Firestorm
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Originally posted by jordanz
Why didn't Elminster or Khelben confron the Nefarious 3? Were they busy elsewhere? I do recall Khekben getting ripped in half by a giant Daemon, but I cant recall if it was around this time.
Elminster was like 500, Khelben 300 at the time.
Also can't remember how long Elminster was in Stasis for. he awakened from it in 759.
The role of the Chosen in the defence of Myth Drannor is set out in the "Fall of Myth Drannor" sourcebook by Steven Schend. Many, many pearls of realmslore hidden in that work.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 19 Oct 2015 : 03:01:43
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Originally posted by Lilianviaten
And we've all had it beaten into our heads that nobody can handle the Weave except for Mystra (though a mortal mage named Midnight who was unfit to steam the robes of Karsus or Larloch handled it just fine).
Karsus killed himself and destroyed a nation thru pure hubris. I fail to understand the insistence that someone who knew he wasn't worthy somehow was better than anyone else.
As for Midnight, it is my personal theory -- and Ed has indicated I was on to something, with it -- that Midnight is a descendant of Mystryl. We've seen multiple prior cases where descent from a deity of magic facilitates greater handling of that magic -- so it's possible that Midnight was a descendant of Mystryl and likely would have become something extraordinary even without the Time of Troubles and the death of Mystra 1.0. |
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TBeholder
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Posted - 19 Oct 2015 : 04:39:06
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Originally posted by hashimashadoo
After the Rule Tower was destroyed in 666 DR, the Srinshee abandoned Myth Drannor, taking Ar'Cor'Kerym and four High Mages with her. She wouldn't return until a suitable new ruler would take over the city, but that didn't happen until 1377.
"I have proven worthy, but... Coronal I will not be. I shall not rule from the Throne but from the Heart.
"Look not for me to rule the realm, people, or Court. Look for me to rule war and hate with peace and love.
"When the dream truly becomes your own, I shall return. When elf and N'Tel'Quess alike truly accept the gift, I shall return.
"When Oacenth's Vow is fulfilled in the stars above and below, I shall return.
"When I am wanted truly, I shall return. When I am needed truly, I shall return.
"Peoples, attend me. Look ye upon my work and dare to hope."
- The Fall of Myth Drannor
What "new ruler"?
It's the other way around: new Coronal is chosen by the Ruler's Blade.
Which is carried by Srinshee.
Who will return when she thinks they finally learned to behave in the ways that won't make having anything to do with this crowd deeply embarrassing.
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Also can't remember how long Elminster was in Stasis for. he awakened from it in 759.
Yup, he was on dust catcher duty at the time. Azuth later hinted that it was part of the plan, IIRC. |
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Hoondatha
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Posted - 19 Oct 2015 : 10:55:55
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As Wooly has said, the Fall of Myth Drannor book (technically an adventure, but really a sourcebook) lays out what Khelben and Elminster were doing during the initial Fall. They both fought throughout the early parts of the war.
At the battle of Silversgate, Kelben and Elminster ended up driving a large segment of the Army of Darkness through the gate from Myth Drannor to a pass outside Silverymoon. Khelben nearly got himself torn in two by the yugoloth officer, and spent the rest of the war recovering. Elminster closed the Silversgate from the inside to protect Silverymoon, and was lost among the planes for a time. He didn't make it back until after the war was over as well. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 19 Oct 2015 : 11:10:14
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Originally posted by Hoondatha
As Wooly has said, the Fall of Myth Drannor book (technically an adventure, but really a sourcebook) lays out what Khelben and Elminster were doing during the initial Fall. They both fought throughout the early parts of the war.
At the battle of Silversgate, Kelben and Elminster ended up driving a large segment of the Army of Darkness through the gate from Myth Drannor to a pass outside Silverymoon. Khelben nearly got himself torn in two by the yugoloth officer, and spent the rest of the war recovering. Elminster closed the Silversgate from the inside to protect Silverymoon, and was lost among the planes for a time. He didn't make it back until after the war was over as well.
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hashimashadoo
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 19 Oct 2015 : 11:48:45
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Originally posted by TBeholder
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Originally posted by hashimashadoo
After the Rule Tower was destroyed in 666 DR, the Srinshee abandoned Myth Drannor, taking Ar'Cor'Kerym and four High Mages with her. She wouldn't return until a suitable new ruler would take over the city, but that didn't happen until 1377.
"I have proven worthy, but... Coronal I will not be. I shall not rule from the Throne but from the Heart.
"Look not for me to rule the realm, people, or Court. Look for me to rule war and hate with peace and love.
"When the dream truly becomes your own, I shall return. When elf and N'Tel'Quess alike truly accept the gift, I shall return.
"When Oacenth's Vow is fulfilled in the stars above and below, I shall return.
"When I am wanted truly, I shall return. When I am needed truly, I shall return.
"Peoples, attend me. Look ye upon my work and dare to hope."
- The Fall of Myth Drannor
What "new ruler"?
It's the other way around: new Coronal is chosen by the Ruler's Blade.
Which is carried by Srinshee.
Who will return when she thinks they finally learned to behave in the ways that won't make having anything to do with this crowd deeply embarrassing.
The new ruler was Isvele Miritar. After Scyllua Darkhope was defeated, the Srinshee reappeared. She offered Ar'Cor'Kerym to Isvele and the blade accepted her, making Isvele the official new Coronal, instead of merely the leader of the army in control of the city.
Clearly the Srinshee had no intention to rule, she just couldn't abide watching sun elf supremacists mess up the ideals that her best friend's family worked so hard to enact. |
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Shadowsoul
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Posted - 20 Oct 2015 : 20:08:50
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| Sounds to me like the full story of Myth Drannor didn't come to fruition until after it was a ruin. I guess Ed created the ruin first and then the story of it's beginning came along. |
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Shadowsoul
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Posted - 20 Oct 2015 : 22:57:27
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Words from the Srinshee. "When I am wanted truly, I shall return. When I am needed
truly, I shall return."
Seems to me like she was severely needed during the war with the Army of Darkness. |
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The Masked Mage
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Posted - 21 Oct 2015 : 06:47:02
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It definitely seems like some of the people commenting here have not read "The Fall Of Myth Drannor" in its entirety.
Myth Drannor was doomed for multiple reasons, and had been weakening for some time. The trio were only a part of it. One of those reasons was its fall from grace - which to me read very much like a deliberate homage to Rome, or perhaps even Babylon. This fall from grace was the reason the Srinshee left - and in truth, her departure was another symptom. Her return perhaps could have saved the city (though I'd argue she did not have that kind of power), or the lives of some of its defenders - but it could not have saved the souls of those who had become lazy, decadent, etc. People of powr had turned on each other, and in the end also turned on the city. Whole Clans fell from grace corrupted by demons and dark gods. However, the rise of the people of Myth Drannor to become heroes of the Weeping War, and their sacrifice in defense of the people of the city restored the city's honor, and won them all a place in their version of heaven.
As far as Ioulamm destroying a horde, its important to note that while 1000 orcs would be called a horde, so would a million. I even once played an Arcane Age Archmage in Netheril who did fight the hordes. There are a lot of ways to kill a lot of orcs (using spells, obviously, but I also dropped mountains on them, diverted rivers to drown them, open holes in the earth to swallow them and prevent their advance...) but when your magical might is exhausted and they just keep coming there is nothing you can do.
With all that said - there were many powerful individuals who crushed huge swaths of the Army of Darkness, only to be overrun by the hundreds of thousands in the horde. This includes a handful of chosen (those asking about Khelben and Elminster before should read the book, as the story of their victories and defeats are included), the Harpers at sunset (whose power pretty much makes the modern Harpers look like kids playing cowboys and Indians), the high magi of Cormanthor, etc.
They were beaten before the war ever started... it just took a couple years to figure that out.
As for your quote Shadowsoul - you forgot all the most important words... leave truncating quotes to politicians trying to get elected and idiots on the news - Candlekeep Scribes should never do it!
"Look not for me to rule the realm, people, or Court. Look for me to rule war and hate with peace and love.
When the dream truly becomes your own, I shall return. When elf and N'Tel'Quess alike truly accept the gift, I shall return.
When Oacenth's Vow is fulfilled in the stars above and below, I shall return.
When I am wanted truly, I shall return. When I am needed truly, I shall return."
That doesn't mean when she is wanted to once again strike down their enemies and protect them as she has done over and over. She has shown them peace and love and it is up to them to follow that path. It means when they (as a whole) want her guidance, when they embrace the precepts that she stands for. Also, before anyone asks, Oacenth's Vow was that they become one people, that "sun and moon, sky and sea, earth, tree, and root" must be one (anyone who cant see the symbolism there should be reading more about the elves of the realms. |
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Hoondatha
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Posted - 21 Oct 2015 : 11:16:20
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While I object to the term "fall from grace," which I don't think fits the Realms, I agree with everything else TMM says.
Myth Drannor was flying apart at the seams. Maybe if Aravae hadn't been assassinated, and had become Coronal quickly and without issue, she could have held things together. Maybe. Things hadn't yet come to a head, though they were fast getting there.
Remember that when the Srinshee claimed the blade, it came after a day of open civil war. Elves, humans, and dwarves were all killing each other in the streets, and many noble elves had been killed by the Rule Blade as unworthy. It was a bloody, terrible day that went against everything Eltargrim stood for.
So it's not really that surprising that the Srinshee left. She wanted the city to truly come together. As for not returning during the Fall, it's possible she decided to stay away deliberately. We don't know for certain (she could have been in stasis, or detains elsewhere). But think about what happened during the Fall: Myth Drannor became a symbol.
Yes, the city fell, yes lots of people died, but the dream remained. If the Srinshee thought that it was inevitable that the city would tear itself apart within a few decades (as seems at least possible from a reading of Fall of Myth Drannor), then she might have judged it better to let it fall fighting against an outside force. To become a legend, something to be held up as an example of the best the races can do together. Something other cities (notably Silverymoon) could dream of becoming.
Far better that than to become an object lesson that the races cannot work together, by being destroyed in endless civil wars. |
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The Masked Mage
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Posted - 22 Oct 2015 : 07:24:55
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Originally posted by Hoondatha
While I object to the term "fall from grace," which I don't think fits the Realms, I agree with everything else TMM says.
While it certainly doesn't have the exact meaning as IRL, according to realms lore, the Mythal was blessed by Mystra, and the Elfblades by the Seldarine. As the elves proved unworthy "fell from grace" seems pretty appropriate in my book.
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George Krashos
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Posted - 22 Oct 2015 : 19:06:27
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I'd always thought that the Srinshee was in the Tshaddarna after taking the Ruler's Blade, putting it there for safekeeping - just as she had done with the contents of the Vault of Ages 40 or so winters before. Time passes differently there, so after she had spent weeks or months ensuring the wards and magical safeguards for these greatest treasures of Myth Drannor, were intact and safe from the pryings of Larloch, Ioulaum and other beings of power back in those times, the city had fallen ...
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 22 Oct 2015 : 21:51:42
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Originally posted by George Krashos
I'd always thought that the Srinshee was in the Tshaddarna after taking the Ruler's Blade, putting it there for safekeeping - just as she had done with the contents of the Vault of Ages 40 or so winters before. Time passes differently there, so after she had spent weeks or months ensuring the wards and magical safeguards for these greatest treasures of Myth Drannor, were intact and safe from the pryings of Larloch, Ioulaum and other beings of power back in those times, the city had fallen ...
-- George Krashos
The who? I'm not finding Tshaddarna in any of the Myth Drannor/Cormanthyr pdfs that I have handy... |
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Shadowsoul
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Posted - 22 Oct 2015 : 23:19:54
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So basically the Srinshee let the city fall out of principle?
Not everyone in Myth Drannor wanted the title for selfish reasons. They really threw the baby out with the bathwater. |
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hashimashadoo
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Posted - 23 Oct 2015 : 00:33:46
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Originally posted by Shadowsoul
Not everyone in Myth Drannor wanted the title for selfish reasons. They really threw the baby out with the bathwater.
True, but those that did want the title for selfish reasons would've murdered anyone who didn't and probably started a civil war.
Maybe if the city had been victorious in the Weeping War primarily because of N'Tel'Quess, things might have been different but that's not how it worked out. |
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The Arcanamach
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Posted - 23 Oct 2015 : 01:00:12
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| I think the Tshaddarna was mentioned in a novel. I seem to recall the Shrinshee mentioning it to El and that she had become weaker during her time there. Sorry I can't recall the specifics. |
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Hoondatha
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Posted - 23 Oct 2015 : 06:35:41
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Shadowsoul: No, the city was doomed either way. Probably doomed whatever happened, certainly doomed after Aravae was killed. This way it fell in such a way that it preserved Eltargrim's dream.
Remember, the Srinshee is an elf, and a very old one at that. She thinks in the long term. And she was right. An elven lifespan later, and Myth Drannor is back. |
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George Krashos
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Posted - 23 Oct 2015 : 06:43:35
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
The who? I'm not finding Tshaddarna in any of the Myth Drannor/Cormanthyr pdfs that I have handy...
See Ed's short story "Tears so White" in Realms of the Elves.
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