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Eilserus
Master of Realmslore
USA
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 Posted - 21 Sep 2015 : 18:11:46
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Does anyone look through the WotC website? They actually pay people for some of these posts? And in the same line discontinued Ed's Forging the Realms articles?
9 ways to kick off your Rage of Demons campaign?
I just don't get it. Disappointing on so many levels.
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
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Posted - 21 Sep 2015 : 18:15:40
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Originally posted by Eilserus
Does anyone look through the WotC website? They actually pay people for some of these posts? And in the same line discontinued Ed's Forging the Realms articles?
9 ways to kick off your Rage of Demons campaign?
I just don't get it. Disappointing on so many levels.
I don't think that they are paid (more like they already are WotC emplyees who write those articles as part of their tasks), but I miss Ed's articles. And I find it sad that his official involvement with the Realms is now limited to 1 novel/year. |
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Eilserus
Master of Realmslore
USA
1446 Posts |
Posted - 21 Sep 2015 : 18:41:53
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I hear you. In fact, that article I referenced, if the person is an employee is just them using the backlink juice from WotC to benefit their own personal sites. Not that I wouldn't do the same in their place, that's a lotta link juice, but man it'd be nice if they'd put out stuff worth reading.
Personally, and I don't care if it's Chris Perkins or Mike Mearls, whoever is the one making the decision to exclude Ed needs to be terminated from their job. It makes absolutely no sense not to have him involved. The Out of the Abyss adventure seems pretty OK, but is still going to need alot of work. They could hire Ed to do Volo like articles for places in those adventures to help us flesh things out more.
I'm hoping Ed's publishing company gets a shot at some Realms work. I've been riding this train since I was 10 years old (35 now), so I suppose it's possible the ship has sailed and our golden days are over. It's just mind blowing we don't get good books anymore like some of the old school supplements.
It's all good though. Sucks, but meh, it is what it is.
And I miss Ed and THO, been pretty quiet around here. ;) |
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Eltheron
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 21 Sep 2015 : 18:54:25
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Originally posted by Eilserus
I hear you. In fact, that article I referenced, if the person is an employee is just them using the backlink juice from WotC to benefit their own personal sites. Not that I wouldn't do the same in their place, that's a lotta link juice, but man it'd be nice if they'd put out stuff worth reading.
Personally, and I don't care if it's Chris Perkins or Mike Mearls, whoever is the one making the decision to exclude Ed needs to be terminated from their job. It makes absolutely no sense not to have him involved. The Out of the Abyss adventure seems pretty OK, but is still going to need alot of work. They could hire Ed to do Volo like articles for places in those adventures to help us flesh things out more.
I'm hoping Ed's publishing company gets a shot at some Realms work. I've been riding this train since I was 10 years old (35 now), so I suppose it's possible the ship has sailed and our golden days are over. It's just mind blowing we don't get good books anymore like some of the old school supplements.
It's all good though. Sucks, but meh, it is what it is.
And I miss Ed and THO, been pretty quiet around here. ;)
I'm in 100% agreement that the Realms would benefit tremendously from another Volo-like guide, or even just a series of shorter Ed-written articles.
It might not be as straightforward, though, as just being a Perkins decision. As much as I dislike most of Perkins' strategies and ideas, consider also that Ed has been caretaking for his wife. He might be strapped for time.
Also, as much as most of us love the old Volo Guides, Ed himself noted that due to a combination of factors (format, advertising, bookstores, gaming stores, interest level, and other issues), they apparently didn't sell very well at the time - so a similar "risky" product in the future is an extremely hard pitch to a publishing company.
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3823 Posts |
Posted - 21 Sep 2015 : 18:58:22
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Originally posted by Eilserus
I hear you. In fact, that article I referenced, if the person is an employee is just them using the backlink juice from WotC to benefit their own personal sites. Not that I wouldn't do the same in their place, that's a lotta link juice, but man it'd be nice if they'd put out stuff worth reading.
Personally, and I don't care if it's Chris Perkins or Mike Mearls, whoever is the one making the decision to exclude Ed needs to be terminated from their job. It makes absolutely no sense not to have him involved. The Out of the Abyss adventure seems pretty OK, but is still going to need alot of work. They could hire Ed to do Volo like articles for places in those adventures to help us flesh things out more.
I'm hoping Ed's publishing company gets a shot at some Realms work. I've been riding this train since I was 10 years old (35 now), so I suppose it's possible the ship has sailed and our golden days are over. It's just mind blowing we don't get good books anymore like some of the old school supplements.
It's all good though. Sucks, but meh, it is what it is.
And I miss Ed and THO, been pretty quiet around here. ;)
We don't know if WotC is excluding Ed, or if he had to exclude himself due to the recent personal matters that prevented him from even showing up at GenCon. We can't say that about WotC yet. We can only say that the lack of Ed's lore is a waste, and --obviously-- wish him and his wife the best.
The only thing I can't wrap my mind around, is that Ed had no official role in the making of the book that (according to its description) will basically be the 5e FRCS under a different name. |
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Edited by - Irennan on 21 Sep 2015 22:09:48 |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36968 Posts |
Posted - 21 Sep 2015 : 21:25:16
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Originally posted by Irennan
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Originally posted by Eilserus
I hear you. In fact, that article I referenced, if the person is an employee is just them using the backlink juice from WotC to benefit their own personal sites. Not that I wouldn't do the same in their place, that's a lotta link juice, but man it'd be nice if they'd put out stuff worth reading.
Personally, and I don't care if it's Chris Perkins or Mike Mearls, whoever is the one making the decision to exclude Ed needs to be terminated from their job. It makes absolutely no sense not to have him involved. The Out of the Abyss adventure seems pretty OK, but is still going to need alot of work. They could hire Ed to do Volo like articles for places in those adventures to help us flesh things out more.
I'm hoping Ed's publishing company gets a shot at some Realms work. I've been riding this train since I was 10 years old (35 now), so I suppose it's possible the ship has sailed and our golden days are over. It's just mind blowing we don't get good books anymore like some of the old school supplements.
It's all good though. Sucks, but meh, it is what it is.
And I miss Ed and THO, been pretty quiet around here. ;)
We don't know if WotC is excluding Ed, or if he had to exclude himself due to the recent personal matters that prevented him from even showing up at GenCon. We can't say that about WotC yet (they did blatantly lie about Ed being at the helm of the FR, though). We can only say that the lack of Ed's lore is a waste, and --obviously-- wish him and his wife the best.
The only thing I can't wrap my mind around, is that Ed had no official role in the making of the book that (according to its description) will basically be the 5e FRCS under a different name.
Where did they say he was at the helm? |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3823 Posts |
Posted - 21 Sep 2015 : 21:32:54
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Irennan
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Originally posted by Eilserus
I hear you. In fact, that article I referenced, if the person is an employee is just them using the backlink juice from WotC to benefit their own personal sites. Not that I wouldn't do the same in their place, that's a lotta link juice, but man it'd be nice if they'd put out stuff worth reading.
Personally, and I don't care if it's Chris Perkins or Mike Mearls, whoever is the one making the decision to exclude Ed needs to be terminated from their job. It makes absolutely no sense not to have him involved. The Out of the Abyss adventure seems pretty OK, but is still going to need alot of work. They could hire Ed to do Volo like articles for places in those adventures to help us flesh things out more.
I'm hoping Ed's publishing company gets a shot at some Realms work. I've been riding this train since I was 10 years old (35 now), so I suppose it's possible the ship has sailed and our golden days are over. It's just mind blowing we don't get good books anymore like some of the old school supplements.
It's all good though. Sucks, but meh, it is what it is.
And I miss Ed and THO, been pretty quiet around here. ;)
We don't know if WotC is excluding Ed, or if he had to exclude himself due to the recent personal matters that prevented him from even showing up at GenCon. We can't say that about WotC yet (they did blatantly lie about Ed being at the helm of the FR, though). We can only say that the lack of Ed's lore is a waste, and --obviously-- wish him and his wife the best.
The only thing I can't wrap my mind around, is that Ed had no official role in the making of the book that (according to its description) will basically be the 5e FRCS under a different name.
Where did they say he was at the helm?
I can't give you a source. However, it was during 2012, when WotC were campaigning the Sundering. They did that PR stunt, with that meeting where all the ''lorelords'' were invited to discuss the upcoming changes of the FR. They made a lot of promises, like multiple era support, the Realms returning to their original feeling, and, while I don't remember if they specifically talked about Ed being at the helm, they pointed to Ed being given more room to shape the setting (instead we're ending up with Ed not even being in the list of authors of the book detailing the changes brought by the Sundering. I have hopes for it, but this is not really encouraging).
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Edited by - Irennan on 21 Sep 2015 21:36:05 |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36968 Posts |
Posted - 21 Sep 2015 : 22:07:17
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As I recall, all they said was that he was going to be more involved. And that's a far cry from a "blatant lie" about him being at the helm.
I don't agree with what WotC's been doing of late, either -- but I think there is enough to complain about while sticking with things they are on record as saying. |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3823 Posts |
Posted - 21 Sep 2015 : 22:09:30
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
As I recall, all they said was that he was going to be more involved. And that's a far cry from a "blatant lie" about him being at the helm.
I don't agree with what WotC's been doing of late, either -- but I think there is enough to complain about while sticking with things they are on record as saying.
Ok, sorry, I was carried by the disappointment. I'll delete the phrase. |
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Edited by - Irennan on 21 Sep 2015 22:09:56 |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6688 Posts |
Posted - 22 Sep 2015 : 00:39:09
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Ed has never been at "the helm" regarding the Realms. People like Jeff Grubb, Steven Schend, Jim Butler, and Rich Baker all had that role. The gaming line was always separate from the novel line and the communication conduits were ... less than ideal. With the advent of 4E WotC didn't see the need for a Realms Traffic Cop and this continues into 5E. As I understand it, Ed's role is a little bit more informal these days. If WotC or individual designers/writers want to contact him to pick his brain, his e-mail door is always open. Otherwise, he's just writing FR novels. He just finished his latest one I believe. The current 5E product series set in the Realms appears to be WotC's version of Paizo's adventure paths. I don't need adventures, I'm only interested in FR information. There is some scattered through these products, but nothing that I would class as compelling, as in "must buy this". I hope the new Sword Coast book will be a change in that regard. Given Brian Cortijo had a hand in it, my hopes are bolstered. The loss of Ed's website posts is a tragedy for FR fans though. We're basically left to our own devices in terms of crafting realmslore. I guess we fans are now the remaining custodians of a tradition of immersive campaign setting information. Perhaps we should write some instead of looking to WotC to provide something that they are indifferent to ...
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Baptor
Seeker
USA
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Posted - 22 Sep 2015 : 00:43:30
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Whatever specific words were said, I think everyone can agree that the impression they gave back in 2012 was a lot different than what we are getting today.
I'll reserve judgement until the book comes out, though. I just am eager to see if where they are going is where I want to go or if I need to go in another direction. I know most have already made that latter decision, but I'd like to give them a shot. Just one shot, but as I like to say, "everybody gets one." |
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Jeremy Grenemyer
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 Sep 2015 : 01:11:04
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Originally posted by George Krashos
The loss of Ed's website posts is a tragedy for FR fans though.
George can you please clarify your statement? Which posts are you talking about? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 22 Sep 2015 : 04:45:10
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Originally posted by George Krashos
With the advent of 4E WotC didn't see the need for a Realms Traffic Cop and this continues into 5E.
I say that this dates back to 3E, when the very first thing they did was give us a bucket of changes without explanations. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 22 Sep 2015 : 11:21:45
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Originally posted by Jeremy Grenemyer
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Originally posted by George Krashos
The loss of Ed's website posts is a tragedy for FR fans though.
George can you please clarify your statement? Which posts are you talking about?
I posted generally regarding the fact that Ed no longer has a regular feature column for WotC.
That said, my understanding is that for many years now, Ed has submitted more articles for his various website columns than have actually been published. That seems to have been par for the course for TSR/WotC however with numerous pieces, short stories etc being submitted, 'lost', re-submitted, 'lost again'. These include gems like the second installment of the "Cities" series of DRAGON articles on Teziir that was never released when WotC and Paizo went their separate ways. Imagine the realmslore that ended up at the bottom of some dumpster when WotC took over, or people left or were fired and had their work spaces cleaned out ...
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Edited by - George Krashos on 22 Sep 2015 11:23:11 |
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