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Foxhelm
Senior Scribe
Canada
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 Posted - 07 Mar 2004 : 23:05:37
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Many people play in different periods of Faerun, like the past. But what about the Future? How would have Faerun have changed in a thousand years?
Has Technology advance or is Magic still supreme? Or have them merged together in a Techno-magic mix?
Has the Silver Marches survived? Is Cormyr or Sembia still strong? Are the Dales still free? How powerful is Waterdeep?
Which Gods/desses have survived over the years? How have they changed? Is Silvanus a militant environmentalist? Has Bane be CyricOr is it vice versa? Is Mystra the true Queen of Magic or does she have to share? Which Gods/ddesses have advanced their DR or which have fallen? Are there new Gods/ddesses? Who are they?
Are the Moonstars and Harpers still in conflict or have they made peace? How powerful is the Cult of the Dragon? Or the Zhentarim hold power? Have the Red Wizards changed to a more mercentile aspect or have they revered to their previous ways?
Do the Chosen of Mystra (And/or others) still exist? Are they sane or mad? Who are the most important NPC in the World at that time?
What would it be like? Have you created a campain in the future? If so, what are your adventures like?
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 07 Mar 2004 : 23:06:39
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| Isn't the current FR year 1373? I'm not sure, but I don't think that its 1372.... |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Foxhelm
Senior Scribe
Canada
592 Posts |
Posted - 07 Mar 2004 : 23:09:14
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It is 1372 DR in the current time. This is a imagined Campaign in the future of the Realms, a thousand years from the current year. I'm asking how the Realms might have changed over a thousand years.
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 07 Mar 2004 : 23:25:32
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| No, I know what you mean. I just meant that it would be 2373 instead of 2372, because as far as I know, the current year is 1373. |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Cherrn
Learned Scribe
Denmark
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Posted - 07 Mar 2004 : 23:29:41
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| As far as I know PGTF updates FR to 1373, as for now I still think we are in 1372. |
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Foxhelm
Senior Scribe
Canada
592 Posts |
Posted - 07 Mar 2004 : 23:40:11
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| Still, What would 2372/2373 be like? Would the Shades be a major force in the world? Would the world be commanded by Dragons? What would have happened? |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 08 Mar 2004 : 00:18:07
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Well, I think that magic should remain and no new technology. Of course, that's my personal preference. I always say, if you want technology, go to Eberron. |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1272 Posts |
Posted - 08 Mar 2004 : 00:21:51
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| I think most of the current countries and cities will be gone, all except for Cormyr, coz that has been around for a long, long time. About the gods, I don't think there would be a lot of change in them, maybe a few switches in portfolio, but nothing major. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 08 Mar 2004 : 02:35:22
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Originally posted by Cherrn
As far as I know PGTF updates FR to 1373, as for now I still think we are in 1372.
The last novel in the Sembia series advanced the year to 1373 DR. |
Edited by - SiriusBlack on 08 Mar 2004 02:39:24 |
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Cherrn
Learned Scribe
Denmark
323 Posts |
Posted - 08 Mar 2004 : 14:58:42
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| Yeah I know, but no source books has been about 1373 yet. |
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 Mar 2004 : 15:24:19
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Originally posted by Cherrn
Yeah I know, but no source books has been about 1373 yet.
well lets not all argue over whether its 1372DR or 1373DR....a year doesnt matter when the discussion is talking about a thousand years ahead (or a thousand and one years! ) |
Lord Rad
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 08 Mar 2004 : 17:03:15
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And it's probably a completely academic topic anyway. Unless you went and crafted out a new geography and the thousand year history to go with it, you're stuck with a Realms that changed only by date. And if you have that, then why not stick with the regular one?
Personally, if you want something different, go to a different campaign world, whether an official one or one of your own making. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 08 Mar 2004 : 18:11:39
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Originally posted by Rad
well lets not all argue over whether its 1372DR or 1373DR....a year doesnt matter when the discussion is talking about a thousand years ahead (or a thousand and one years! )
Sure Rad, mess up the timeline and make it 999 years ahead instead of a 1,000. I hope you are happy. |
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Brother Ezra
Learned Scribe
USA
268 Posts |
Posted - 08 Mar 2004 : 22:26:22
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If we look backward to what the Realms looked like circa DR 373, we'd probably get a good idea of what it may look like 1000 years from now (or at least what it won't look like)
1. Cormyr had just been founded
2. Cormanthyr is at the height of it's power
3. The Shoon empire rules in current-day Calimshan
4. Chondath is colonizing the area that later becomes Sembia
Considering that Cormyr was just a fledgling nation, Chondath was to fraction into warring city-states, and that Cormanthyr and the Shoon empire would disappear in the mists of time, it's likely that the face of the Realms would be VASTLY different, at least as far as political divisions go. Maybe the Silver Marches might be the oldest nation in Faerun by that time.
I do't think that technology would replace magic. It hasn't for the past 1000 years.
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 09 Mar 2004 : 00:22:17
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| I agree with Ezra about the magic part. However, I think that smokepowder would be more commonly used in 1000 years. After all, it's often being used by pirates now but it's still dangerous. With 1000 years to research, I think Gond and other people could figure out a way to make it safe to use like we did in real-life. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 09 Mar 2004 : 03:32:57
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Airships...lots of airships everywhere. Like prestige classes now in gaming products.  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 10 Mar 2004 : 03:37:29
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Originally posted by The Sage
Whoa!  ...
I'm suddenly getting flashes of Eberron running through my mind...
Why did somebody mention dinosaurs or locomotives? If I recall, those are two of the unique elements that make up that world. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 10 Mar 2004 : 03:42:49
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No...
Remember though, that dinosaurs are only limited to one part of the continent. It's like psionics...it's not all pervasive. So, if you don't like the theme, you don't have to expose your party to it.
As for the locomotive...I believe there is only one of those on the entire planet anyway...
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Xander Fang
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 10 Mar 2004 : 14:30:21
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| I think the forgotten realms will stay about the same, i mean when you look at the history of whats happen already most of the old gods have stayed the same. I think the only real difference in the pantheon will be in the demipowers and lesser powers, and 1 or 2 changes in the greater gods. I think that the countries that are already established, such as Corymyr, Waterdeep, and the rest will also stay the same. |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 10 Mar 2004 : 23:45:58
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| Xander, I disagree about how the lands will stay the same. If you look at a timeline of FR, you will see many rise and falls of kingdoms. In fact, I could name several just off the top of my head right now. Myth Drannor is a big one that we all know of and so is Nethril. If we go to 1000 years later, I bet you at least half the cities and countries that were here will be gone. |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 11 Mar 2004 : 01:40:29
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Originally posted by Xander Fang
I think the forgotten realms will stay about the same, i mean when you look at the history of whats happen already most of the old gods have stayed the same. I think the only real difference in the pantheon will be in the demipowers and lesser powers, and 1 or 2 changes in the greater gods.
I highly doubt that gods would stay the same. Remember such deities as Moander, Jergal, Leira, The Time of Troubles, the Deaths of Bane, Bhaal, and Myrkul, The Baneson/Rebirth Crisis, Tyche into Tymora/Beshaba, the emergence of new gods, such as Finder Wyvernspur, Tchazzar... etc. etc.
You get the point. |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1272 Posts |
Posted - 11 Mar 2004 : 01:43:16
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| Shadowlord, I don't really know about that. The reason is because I read in WotC in an interview with Ed Greenwood that they decided not to have another event like Times of Trouble or even mess around with the deities and pantheons in FR. |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 11 Mar 2004 : 02:16:43
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| This is Foxhelm's Campaign however, and not all the material has to be purely "canon". As such, the pantheons may be a tad bit different. I'm not saying that such an event like the Time of Troubles or the Fall of Mystryl/Netheril is probable. I'm just saying that another deity may split, die, etc. depending on what Foxhelm's DM (or if Foxhelm is the DM himself) decides.... |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 11 Mar 2004 : 07:48:25
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The discussion of the deities of this future Realms setting has trouble me somewhat.
Are we talking about the Realms at present, taken into the future, with the current 3e cosmology, or are we assuming that this future Realms will still have access to the 2e Great Wheel?. I ask, mainly because Shadowlord's point about the potential evolution of the Faerunian pantheon could cause this campaign idea to come into some contention - between the old and new planar models.
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 11 Mar 2004 : 17:00:42
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Originally posted by The Sage
The discussion of the deities of this future Realms setting has trouble me somewhat.
Are we talking about the Realms at present, taken into the future, with the current 3e cosmology, or are we assuming that this future Realms will still have access to the 2e Great Wheel?. I ask, mainly because Shadowlord's point about the potential evolution of the Faerunian pantheon could cause this campaign idea to come into some contention - between the old and new planar models.
Additionally, when it comes to deities for the future, wasn't there something recently in a product about the Mulhorandi pantheon in the future? I seem to recall something about the pantheon's future might not be entirely stable. |
Edited by - SiriusBlack on 11 Mar 2004 17:01:29 |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 12 Mar 2004 : 02:10:44
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Yes, I think there was...although I don't have my books with me at the moment to check...
That's not what I was talking about though, in theory, there would be a greater strain on the deities connection to the Material Plane from their home plane. Again this depends upon which cosmology you are using. In some cases, a shift to the future would see some deities completely cut off from accessing the Material Plane, that is, if we are assuming one deity located on it's home outer plane is the source of the multiple Material Plane representations of that same deity.
It's been a source of conflict before, during 2e.
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Chyron
Learned Scribe
Hong Kong
279 Posts |
Posted - 04 May 2004 : 09:21:51
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This is an interesting topic. I had always envisioned a ‘future’ FR similar to the old dead and buried Shadowrun game. But that would be more like 2000+ years IMO.
Brother Ezra stated “I don't think that technology would replace magic. It hasn't for the past 1000 years.”
But I don’t really agree. A great deal of tech is coming forth from Lantan and while its power does not compare with magic as yet, it is starting to show potential. Take a look at the Gnome Artificer PrC. Many of the skills are producing magic like effects that are not affected by dead/anti magic areas and thus non-magical. While still limited, they could develop these techniques even further over the centuries. Maybe if magic takes on a more negative stigma in the realms common folk might turn more and more to Gond and his teachings? I am not saying it is going to happen, but it is a possibility.
As for deity changes? Well, I am no expert on the planar changes between 2e and 3e, but in terms of history there have been more than a few deities “come and gone” and this long before the Time of Troubles. And they are always up to something... (I recall recently reading that Lathlander was moving ahead with some previously attempted scheme that failed once before and resulted in deity deaths.)
Logic would dictate that even the heavens are susceptible to changes as has been shown. Likely there would be shifts of power and portfolio, but just what those would be, would be anyone’s guess.
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Artalis
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 04 May 2004 : 16:30:28
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Hmmmm...
A thousand years is a long time. Look at what has happened in our world in half that. One of the things that has limited the progress of technology is the short lifespan of the inventor. Gnomes and dwarves live much longer than humans especially under current conditions.
Of course there's the chance that existing wizards will hunt down and destroy anyone developing radical technological advancements. Though in the case of Gnomes and Dwarves (the two most technologically inclined races) they are hard to get close to.
I think that magic would accelerate the development of technology if it were needed but the existance of reliable magic makes technology a poor substitute.
Throughout history tech has been created because of a need. Necessity being the mother of invention and all that. Who needs advanced medicine when you have healing potions. Who needs to fiddle around with finding ways to deliver electricity when you have Continual Light/Flame? No need, no interest, and therefore magic reigns supreme.
However I DO think that magic would be refined and better understood by then. I believe Silverymoon would become an empire of it's own encompassing the entire Silver Marches if not more(barring disaster and/or a conquering horde ala the Library of Alexandria).
A cooperative approach to magic and the understanding of how it works will generated a great deal more specialized and knowledgable mages. I think that The Art would evolve more into The Science if you will.
I also think that as magic becomes more widespread, controlled and understood you will see more countermeasures in place.
Just as the existence of firearms prompted the creation of the flak vest so too you would see the existence of personal anti-magic shields or special armors and anti-charm bracelets and so on. Again need prompts ingenuity and the creation of new developments.
Magic becomes it's own form of technology at that point. And probably governed by it's own rules and practicioners. Like the AMA or a similar organization.
Some beginning thoughts anyway.
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Roewyn
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Posted - 04 May 2004 : 18:28:02
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1-Shade will dominate north. Bane will emerge with Shar, Talos and destroy, Mystra, Cyric and Selune. At south calim will be ruled by a major devil. Lathander and Tyr will strive to bring hope and justice back. Moonsea will be Banite. Tymora and Beshaba emerges to create a neutral goddess of luck. Elves final retreat.
2- The clash between gods will take too long and bored Talos will rage. Days of the infinite disaster will rock civilizations and famine and plagues will dominate.
3- People will build magical sanctuaries. New goddess of magic Shar will let wizards to access to the higher level spells than 9th level to protect her faithful agains Talos's rage. Shade's power will increase. Bane bannes magic in his kingdom and he starts a crusade against Shade.
4-Conflict between evil gods will work for Tyr and Lathander. They secretly resurrect Selune to fight agains Shar. The only empire ruled by good is Cormyr will start to grow during the endless battle between Shade and Banites.
And in 2373 elves return to fearun to fight against the drow on the surface because of the call from good people of fearun.
Both Shade and Zenths grow weary of their never ending war and they cease fire. Selune becomes a greater power and her believers start to regain control over Sword coast.
Everything even the geography will be changed but the fight between good vs evil will go on.
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Arion Elenim
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 05 May 2004 : 18:18:39
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I'm actually working on a novel right now with similar ideas...being set in the future, starting out in 1572 and branching out from there...
Alaundo and I have been discussing it for a bit, and I've had to put it on haitus....however, I was thinking of posting it here anyway.....
Would you folk be interested in reading MORE of my drivel? |
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