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sylvain
Acolyte
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 Posted - 13 Apr 2015 : 18:18:37
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I am looking to run a campaign who's main villain is (are) the Sons of Vyshaan.
Basically descendants of Vyshaan and/or Vyshaanti Baelnorn looking for revenge, or perhaps reclaim the High Forest and rebuild the Vyshaantar Empire.
Any ideas to throw my way?
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 13 Apr 2015 : 18:43:31
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| Have you discounted the Dladrageth? The fey'ri have a strong presence here, and The Fall of Hellgate Keep is infested with good ideas. Also, the Eldreth Veluuthra probably harbor some Vyshaan. LoD and Cloak n' Dagger, Villains Lorebook. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
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Posted - 13 Apr 2015 : 20:15:56
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Originally posted by Fellfire
Have you discounted the Dladrageth? The fey'ri have a strong presence here, and The Fall of Hellgate Keep is infested with good ideas. Also, the Eldreth Veluuthra probably harbor some Vyshaan. LoD and Cloak n' Dagger, Villains Lorebook.
Heh. First time in memory that anything I wrote was accused of being infested, for good or ill.  |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 14 Apr 2015 : 00:32:30
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
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Originally posted by Fellfire
Have you discounted the Dladrageth? The fey'ri have a strong presence here, and The Fall of Hellgate Keep is infested with good ideas. Also, the Eldreth Veluuthra probably harbor some Vyshaan. LoD and Cloak n' Dagger, Villains Lorebook.
Heh. First time in memory that anything I wrote was accused of being infested, for good or ill.
No offense. I meant it as a compliment. The little creepies are crawling all over that module. Little weevils of lore that burrow into your brain. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 14 Apr 2015 : 01:00:02
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| Also, you might check out Snowblood's most excellent chapbooks, I know he did one that focuses on Aryvaandar. Fan made, but well researched and put together. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 14 Apr 2015 : 01:31:05
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| I wonder, Steven, if you are following this scroll, were the Shattering Swords entirely your mind-child? I've always wanted to work them in somehow. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 14 Apr 2015 : 06:34:53
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Ed hinted a little about the Vyshaan in his 2012 thread. He said on August 12:
"Yes, there are survivors of House Vyshaan. However, lore about them and about Aryvandaar is firmly NDA right now, so I can’t say much more. I’ll be checking at GenCon and after with certain folks to see what I can reveal, though . . . so stay tuned. Let me say this much: there are gold elves of the line of Vyshaan alive in the Realms today who know their heritage - - and there are gold elves of the line of Vyshaan alive in the Realms today who do not."
You might want to ping Ed in his scroll to see if those NDA's have loosened in the past three years. |
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sylvain
Acolyte
Canada
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Posted - 14 Apr 2015 : 13:37:12
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Originally posted by Fellfire
Have you discounted the Dladrageth? The fey'ri have a strong presence here, and The Fall of Hellgate Keep is infested with good ideas. Also, the Eldreth Veluuthra probably harbor some Vyshaan. LoD and Cloak n' Dagger, Villains Lorebook.
I think House Dladrageth and the Waymeet was pretty much done with in the Last Mythal series so I don't know if I'll be going that route. (one of my favorite works albeit, big fan of Richard Baker's stuff)
I'll check out Steven's 'infested' Hellgate Keep module :P
I also didn't think about the Eldreth Veluuthra, that's a great idea as a front to the villain's true objectives.
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 14 Apr 2015 : 14:04:15
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You're very welcome. Here is a link to Snowblood's Aryvaandar
http://phasai.deviantart.com/art/Aryvandaar-The-Golden-Empire-211343262 |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 14 Apr 2015 : 15:58:56
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Originally posted by sylvain
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Originally posted by Fellfire
Have you discounted the Dladrageth? The fey'ri have a strong presence here, and The Fall of Hellgate Keep is infested with good ideas. Also, the Eldreth Veluuthra probably harbor some Vyshaan. LoD and Cloak n' Dagger, Villains Lorebook.
I think House Dladrageth and the Waymeet was pretty much done with in the Last Mythal series so I don't know if I'll be going that route. (one of my favorite works albeit, big fan of Richard Baker's stuff)
I'll check out Steven's 'infested' Hellgate Keep module :P
I also didn't think about the Eldreth Veluuthra, that's a great idea as a front to the villain's true objectives.
Thanks.
Since a lot of the fey'ri can alter their appearance, it would have been easy for a decent number of them to survive the Last Mythal series. They could have slipped away before the final battle; faked fatal wounds during the battle, until they were able to escape; infiltrated and then left with the attacking forces... It's also not at all implausible that some were in disguise elsewhere, gathering supplies, intelligence, or allies, and survived that way.
Other possibilities for including them could be fey'ri that escaped the initial round up, and have been either in hiding or at least hiding their nature in the intervening millennia, or that some ambitious elven family discovered how the original fey'ri had been bred and started their own breeding program -- resulting in fey'ri with no connection to house Dlardrageth.
For a while, I was fiddling with the idea of a Manshoon clone capturing and swapping minds with a fey'ri, as a way to avoid the "Kill the other Manshoons!" compulsion. I eventually scrapped the idea -- it was one of those ideas that seemed really cool, but took way too much work to pull it off. It was easier to just make a fey'ri with a similar mindset, who went his own way. |
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
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1727 Posts |
Posted - 14 Apr 2015 : 16:03:05
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Originally posted by Fellfire
I wonder, Steven, if you are following this scroll, were the Shattering Swords entirely your mind-child? I've always wanted to work them in somehow.
Yup, they were mine...though my backbrain is itching that I got inspired by something and I want to almost say it was Jim Starlin. Wonder if there might've been something re: Dreadstar or earlier that was in my brain when I wrote that Hellgate Keep stuff.
Then again, I might've just wanted a way to chainsaw a demon apart but didn't want the anachronisms, so I made the Shattering Swords. |
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
USA
1727 Posts |
Posted - 14 Apr 2015 : 16:07:51
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Originally posted by Fellfire
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
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Originally posted by Fellfire
Have you discounted the Dladrageth? The fey'ri have a strong presence here, and The Fall of Hellgate Keep is infested with good ideas. Also, the Eldreth Veluuthra probably harbor some Vyshaan. LoD and Cloak n' Dagger, Villains Lorebook.
Heh. First time in memory that anything I wrote was accused of being infested, for good or ill.
No offense. I meant it as a compliment. The little creepies are crawling all over that module. Little weevils of lore that burrow into your brain.
I didn't take it in offense. Your description is EXACTLY why I wrote stuff the way I did (and as Ed & Jeff taught me): Always leave 4 doors open for every one you close, or at least two open doors and a body behind the closed door too.
For everyone who groaned at the size of history sections in my adventures or supplements, know that my main intent (other than sorting out and organizing canon) was to seed the Realms with reasons for why things were there in the first place.
One thing I don't know if anyone ever followed up on: Any time I noted a major war or battle and noted a site location, I meant for there to be tons of treasures buried with the bodies that were unlikely to have been transported from there. Thus, any major battle should be a trove of equipment (magical or not) and tons of story starts.
And I'm wandering far afield from the discussion at hand. Anyone want to talk on that, let's mosey over to my question board for that. ;) |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 15 Apr 2015 : 02:48:07
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
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Originally posted by Fellfire
I wonder, Steven, if you are following this scroll, were the Shattering Swords entirely your mind-child? I've always wanted to work them in somehow.
Yup, they were mine...though my backbrain is itching that I got inspired by something and I want to almost say it was Jim Starlin.
I can see that. I remember picking up something of a Starlin-era Warlock-vibe from them during my initial reading. |
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hashimashadoo
Master of Realmslore
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kysus
Learned Scribe
USA
116 Posts |
Posted - 23 Apr 2015 : 22:06:30
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| Sylvain there is a web article by Eric Boyd called mintipiers chapbook that talks about the tree of wailing souls which has the soul of a vyshaan elder trapped inside. you may want to look that up to use in some way for your games. I also remember there being another article, though cant remember where, about the family of the ruling vyshaan being kept in a safehold somewhere in stasis. you can probally ask around im sure someone would remember the name of the article or which author said it, but for the life of me I cant remember where. |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 24 Apr 2015 : 00:22:00
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Originally posted by hashimashadoo
These guys are more about restoring Earlann than Vyshantaar but otherwise I think they fit the bill quite well. They've been around since 1st edition but apart from one RPGA module, nothing much has been done with them.
http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Half-Elven_Renegades
Source, hash? Is it available on PDF? |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 24 Apr 2015 : 00:26:32
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Originally posted by kysus
Sylvain there is a web article by Eric Boyd called mintipiers chapbook that talks about the tree of wailing souls which has the soul of a vyshaan elder trapped inside. you may want to look that up to use in some way for your games. I also remember there being another article, though cant remember where, about the family of the ruling vyshaan being kept in a safehold somewhere in stasis. you can probally ask around im sure someone would remember the name of the article or which author said it, but for the life of me I cant remember where.
I vaguely recall this as well. It was how Sarya gathered an army so quickly, there were several Houses allied with the Dlardrageth imprisoned in stasis much like the D's were trapped beneath Hellgate |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 24 Apr 2015 : 00:47:08
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Not the source, but the Whetstone of the Blade may give you something more to work with. Linky...
http://www.realmshelps.net/faerun/lore/magicbooks5.shtml |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 24 Apr 2015 : 00:57:28
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
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Originally posted by Fellfire
I wonder, Steven, if you are following this scroll, were the Shattering Swords entirely your mind-child? I've always wanted to work them in somehow.
Yup, they were mine...though my backbrain is itching that I got inspired by something and I want to almost say it was Jim Starlin. Wonder if there might've been something re: Dreadstar or earlier that was in my brain when I wrote that Hellgate Keep stuff.
Then again, I might've just wanted a way to chainsaw a demon apart but didn't want the anachronisms, so I made the Shattering Swords.
Thank you, Steven. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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TBeholder
Great Reader
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Posted - 24 Apr 2015 : 03:16:54
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
Yup, they were mine...though my backbrain is itching that I got inspired by something and I want to almost say it was Jim Starlin.
I can see that. I remember picking up something of a Starlin-era Warlock-vibe from them during my initial reading.
Speaking of getting "inspired by something" - momentarily misreading the above phrase inspired me a little, all right.
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Originally posted by hashimashadoo
These guys are more about restoring Earlann than Vyshantaar but otherwise I think they fit the bill quite well.
[...] Half-Elven_Renegades
The way it was in North, looks more like they suffer a bad case of wishful thinking than anything. BTW, wasn't Eaerlann established in the first place to loom over Siluvanede, or specifically its ambitious Gold elves?
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Originally posted by kysus
Sylvain there is a web article by Eric Boyd called mintipiers chapbook that talks about the tree of wailing souls which has the soul of a vyshaan elder trapped inside.
And here's a link.
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I also remember there being another article, though cant remember where, about the family of the ruling vyshaan being kept in a safehold somewhere in stasis. you can probally ask around
At least, search engines i tried give only one page with words "Vyshaan" and "stasis", and that's a forum thread.
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Originally posted by Fellfire quote:
Originally posted by hashimashadoo
http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Half-Elven_Renegades
Source, hash? Is it available on PDF?
Looks pretty OOC. But then, frwikia got some weird local fanon splashed all over.
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Originally posted by Fellfire
the Whetstone of the Blade may give you something more to work with. Linky...
http://www.realmshelps.net/faerun/lore/magicbooks5.shtml
The original article's still around: Magic Books of Faerûn: Tar'Ael Veluuthra (Whetstone of the Blade) |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 24 Apr 2015 : 05:48:18
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The half-elven renegades of the High Forest have nothing to do with the Vyshaan or Aryvandaar, but do have links with Eaerlann.
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hashimashadoo
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 24 Apr 2015 : 13:27:27
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Originally posted by Fellfire
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Originally posted by hashimashadoo
These guys are more about restoring Earlann than Vyshantaar but otherwise I think they fit the bill quite well. They've been around since 1st edition but apart from one RPGA module, nothing much has been done with them.
http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Half-Elven_Renegades
Source, hash? Is it available on PDF?
They were first discussed in The Savage Frontier. They also got a mention in The North and were the focus of the RPGA Legacy of the Green Regent module Nurture and Nature.
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Originally posted by TBeholder
Looks pretty OOC. But then, frwikia got some weird local fanon splashed all over.
We're usually pretty good at getting rid of fanon so I don't know what you're talking about. If you see any, mark it as such and we'll sort it out, or better yet, replace it with facts yourself. |
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