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Gyor
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http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/05/24/talking-dungeons-dragons-with-wizards-of-the-coasts-mike-mearls/

The last Question is of particular interest to FR patrons.

I think its cool that the Sundering authors have actually had an influence on how 5th edition has turned out. Major points to Erin who shaped Tieflings and Dragonborn for 5th.

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Gyor
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Your welcome.
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Nicolai Withander
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NIce one...

Btw... is there anyway of actually emailing him, or somehow post questions to him? I have written Mike on facebook, but that didn't work very well.

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Delwa
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quote:
Originally posted by Nicolai Withander

NIce one...

Btw... is there anyway of actually emailing him, or somehow post questions to him? I have written Mike on facebook, but that didn't work very well.





Twitter is the best way. He tries to answer every question posed there.

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Nicolai Withander
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quote:
Originally posted by Delwa

quote:
Originally posted by Nicolai Withander

NIce one...

Btw... is there anyway of actually emailing him, or somehow post questions to him? I have written Mike on facebook, but that didn't work very well.





Twitter is the best way. He tries to answer every question posed there.



Thanks... I'm not on twitter though. I dont believe in all this new stuff.
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quote:
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Thanks... I'm not on twitter though. I dont believe in all this new stuff.



Understood. The only reason I ever even got an account was to keep up with the Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition updates. After that, I found most of the D&D authors I like and the designers and I just follow them for the updates. :)

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Nicolai Withander
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quote:
Originally posted by Delwa

quote:
Originally posted by Nicolai Withander
Thanks... I'm not on twitter though. I dont believe in all this new stuff.



Understood. The only reason I ever even got an account was to keep up with the Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition updates. After that, I found most of the D&D authors I like and the designers and I just follow them for the updates. :)



Good point... I did actually have a twitter account,so I wrote him...
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I thew away my twitter account, I found it less then useful.

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Nicolai Withander
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quote:
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I thew away my twitter account, I found it less then useful.



I have actually had it in a couble of years... I've done 3 tweeds in 3 years, so yeah...
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sfdragon
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So does this mean that the Tiefling is going to get a new look away from the movie "Legends " Look????

btw, I was always curious about that. Not all tieflings came from the hells ancestor, but from the abyss, and the prime material plane ( Rakshaska) too..... would that Faerun 13 spell, would that have affect them too.......... well no matter.

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lordsknight185
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quote:
Originally posted by sfdragon

So does this mean that the Tiefling is going to get a new look away from the movie "Legends " Look????

btw, I was always curious about that. Not all tieflings came from the hells ancestor, but from the abyss, and the prime material plane ( Rakshaska) too..... would that Faerun 13 spell, would that have affect them too.......... well no matter.



No. in 5e, Tieflings will be what they were in 4e, infernal true-breeding creatures, a devil+human will always be that kind of Tiefling. In 5e what we called Tieflings in 1-3e will be just called "planetouched" and will be demonic-blooded and will be just like they were in 1-3e, but they will be far less numerous than the 4e type tieflings are.
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Originally posted by lordsknight185


No. in 5e, Tieflings will be what they were in 4e, infernal true-breeding creatures, a devil+human will always be that kind of Tiefling. In 5e what we called Tieflings in 1-3e will be just called "planetouched" and will be demonic-blooded and will be just like they were in 1-3e, but they will be far less numerous than the 4e type tieflings are.



Is this officially confirmed?

I seriously, seriously hope that's not the case. Because the 4e tiefling was a seriously egregious retcon of the 2e/3e tieflings and the mirror opposite of the incredibly vivid diversity in both appearance and bloodline that they had as a core characteristic.

It would be a serious loss to D&D proper if tieflings ended up radically changed in that capacity in 5e as well (with the sole exception of if a 5e Planescape was produced faithful to its 2e roots and 3e additions, with tieflings presented true to their original, pre-4e conception and wild, crazy, hallmark variability).

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Gary Dallison
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I think its getting close to the time where we have to face up to facts.

WoTC lied to us.

They said they would try and move away from the 4e sweeping changes and unpopular retcons but they havent.

They just released a new edition to try and sell us the 4e changes but with a different ruleset all over again.

It wasnt the ruleset that was the problem. In fact the 4e rules brought in some nice ideas. It was the lore changes that were the problem and WoTC are rather stupidly sticking with the lore and changing the rules.

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Diffan
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Tieflings, as far as the last playtest packet goes, talks about both versions. Tieflings who have made a pact with Asmodeus as well as another race called the planetouched. These planetouched have trace amounts of fiendish blood within them, however its diluted compared to infernal tieflings.

In game terms, it literally means nothing. All this shows is that your tiefling is either more like the 4e version (one who's given themselves over to the pact of Asmodeus or had parents who did) or the pre-4e version, in which your considered planetouch and your features are more toned down. In the end, it supports both and these no mechanical distinction between the two. I could, however, see some sort of sub-race being used that grants a few distinguishing traits between the two.
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Yes, they're saying both "races" exist from what I get, so it's just a (smart) move of letting the players/DMs choose which ones they like more. I'd rather they gave the "tiefling" name for the "touched by the lower planes" as in 2e/3e, but really, if they're back as a flavor of planetouched, it's just a name.

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quote:
Originally posted by Diffan

Tieflings, as far as the last playtest packet goes, talks about both versions. Tieflings who have made a pact with Asmodeus as well as another race called the planetouched. These planetouched have trace amounts of fiendish blood within them, however its diluted compared to infernal tieflings.

In game terms, it literally means nothing. All this shows is that your tiefling is either more like the 4e version (one who's given themselves over to the pact of Asmodeus or had parents who did) or the pre-4e version, in which your considered planetouch and your features are more toned down. In the end, it supports both and these no mechanical distinction between the two. I could, however, see some sort of sub-race being used that grants a few distinguishing traits between the two.



Perhaps aasimar will make a return as well, with devas being the incarnate angels, and "planetouched" aasimar reflecting the ones of celestial heritage.

Btw, did genasi get retconned with szuldar, or is there still unmarked genasi hanging about?

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Diffan
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quote:
Originally posted by Jergals Spare Scythe

quote:
Originally posted by Diffan

Tieflings, as far as the last playtest packet goes, talks about both versions. Tieflings who have made a pact with Asmodeus as well as another race called the planetouched. These planetouched have trace amounts of fiendish blood within them, however its diluted compared to infernal tieflings.

In game terms, it literally means nothing. All this shows is that your tiefling is either more like the 4e version (one who's given themselves over to the pact of Asmodeus or had parents who did) or the pre-4e version, in which your considered planetouch and your features are more toned down. In the end, it supports both and these no mechanical distinction between the two. I could, however, see some sort of sub-race being used that grants a few distinguishing traits between the two.



Perhaps aasimar will make a return as well, with devas being the incarnate angels, and "planetouched" aasimar reflecting the ones of celestial heritage.

Btw, did genasi get retconned with szuldar, or is there still unmarked genasi hanging about?



That would be pretty awesome. I could see Aasimar being the umbrella race with a distinction between Deva and Planetouched. I might even homebrew a new 5E Race for them.

As for Genasi, there's currently no info about them or any changes they'll make to them concerning D&D: Next. The only one's I'm aware of are the ones 4E and 3E had. Hopefully we'll get more information on them after 5E debuts.
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quote:
Originally posted by Diffan

quote:
Originally posted by Jergals Spare Scythe

quote:
Originally posted by Diffan

Tieflings, as far as the last playtest packet goes, talks about both versions. Tieflings who have made a pact with Asmodeus as well as another race called the planetouched. These planetouched have trace amounts of fiendish blood within them, however its diluted compared to infernal tieflings.

In game terms, it literally means nothing. All this shows is that your tiefling is either more like the 4e version (one who's given themselves over to the pact of Asmodeus or had parents who did) or the pre-4e version, in which your considered planetouch and your features are more toned down. In the end, it supports both and these no mechanical distinction between the two. I could, however, see some sort of sub-race being used that grants a few distinguishing traits between the two.



Perhaps aasimar will make a return as well, with devas being the incarnate angels, and "planetouched" aasimar reflecting the ones of celestial heritage.

Btw, did genasi get retconned with szuldar, or is there still unmarked genasi hanging about?



That would be pretty awesome. I could see Aasimar being the umbrella race with a distinction between Deva and Planetouched. I might even homebrew a new 5E Race for them.

As for Genasi, there's currently no info about them or any changes they'll make to them concerning D&D: Next. The only one's I'm aware of are the ones 4E and 3E had. Hopefully we'll get more information on them after 5E debuts.



I'd prefer that any 5e deva be the deva of 1e/2e/3e rather than the not-aasimar from 4e that have no relation to the former. Generally speaking they should reserve the name for the creature that has held the name for the longest tenure.

Tieflings should be the wildly diverse any-type-of-fiendish-descent loveable riffraff they were in 2e and 3e, and call the 4e "tiefling" either an asmodean tiefling of some other subtype name rather than hijack the name and force the originals to call themselves something else.

Likewise archons should be the LG celestial archons of 1e/2e/3e rather than the 4e "archons" that were evil elementals.

I'm not averse to still having 4e creatures included. However if the divergent 4e cases get to keep the names of the originals that they hijacked, it's disheartening to an extreme when the past year has tried very hard to assuage fans that prior editions and their respective lore are respected, cherished parts of D&D, 5e will be embracing its heritage, etc. :(

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quote:
Originally posted by Diffan

As for Genasi, there's currently no info about them or any changes they'll make to them concerning D&D: Next. The only one's I'm aware of are the ones 4E and 3E had. Hopefully we'll get more information on them after 5E debuts.



Genasi originated in 2e. Genasi in 2e and 3e are the same, with an incredible spectrum of possible appearances depending on what element taints their blood. The 4e genasi have different types and often don't resemble the 2e/3e genasi. I hope that we see a return to the 2e/3e conventions (albeit with the inclusion of the 4e types when and where they make sense).

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quote:
Originally posted by Shemmy

quote:
Originally posted by Diffan

As for Genasi, there's currently no info about them or any changes they'll make to them concerning D&D: Next. The only one's I'm aware of are the ones 4E and 3E had. Hopefully we'll get more information on them after 5E debuts.



Genasi originated in 2e. Genasi in 2e and 3e are the same, with an incredible spectrum of possible appearances depending on what element taints their blood. The 4e genasi have different types and often don't resemble the 2e/3e genasi. I hope that we see a return to the 2e/3e conventions (albeit with the inclusion of the 4e types when and where they make sense).



Ditto that. I loved the 2E/3E genasi; I even made one a Lord of Waterdeep. I'd not even consider touching a 4E genasi.

Ditto for tieflings.

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Diffan
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quote:
Originally posted by Shemmy

quote:
Originally posted by Diffan

quote:
Originally posted by Jergals Spare Scythe

quote:
Originally posted by Diffan

Tieflings, as far as the last playtest packet goes, talks about both versions. Tieflings who have made a pact with Asmodeus as well as another race called the planetouched. These planetouched have trace amounts of fiendish blood within them, however its diluted compared to infernal tieflings.

In game terms, it literally means nothing. All this shows is that your tiefling is either more like the 4e version (one who's given themselves over to the pact of Asmodeus or had parents who did) or the pre-4e version, in which your considered planetouch and your features are more toned down. In the end, it supports both and these no mechanical distinction between the two. I could, however, see some sort of sub-race being used that grants a few distinguishing traits between the two.



Perhaps aasimar will make a return as well, with devas being the incarnate angels, and "planetouched" aasimar reflecting the ones of celestial heritage.

Btw, did genasi get retconned with szuldar, or is there still unmarked genasi hanging about?



That would be pretty awesome. I could see Aasimar being the umbrella race with a distinction between Deva and Planetouched. I might even homebrew a new 5E Race for them.

As for Genasi, there's currently no info about them or any changes they'll make to them concerning D&D: Next. The only one's I'm aware of are the ones 4E and 3E had. Hopefully we'll get more information on them after 5E debuts.



I'd prefer that any 5e deva be the deva of 1e/2e/3e rather than the not-aasimar from 4e that have no relation to the former. Generally speaking they should reserve the name for the creature that has held the name for the longest tenure.


Well they could essentially do both by making the distinction between a earth-bound / reincarnated Deva that we saw in 4E and the Astral Deva, which was the name used in 3E. An Astral Deva is an extremely powerful being with a TON of features and powers that exceed most mortals. Contrast this with a PC-possible Deva, who at one point decided to become Mortal-bound and forever attempt to affect the world time and time again via reincarnation. I don't see why there can't be both?

quote:
Originally posted by Shemmy

Tieflings should be the wildly diverse any-type-of-fiendish-descent loveable riffraff they were in 2e and 3e, and call the 4e "tiefling" either an asmodean tiefling of some other subtype name rather than hijack the name and force the originals to call themselves something else.


Personally I'd like to see the Tiefling as an Umbrella name that represents both and have distinguishing names that represent them individually. A Planetouched is what we saw pre-4E and maybe..Pact-Bonded for the 4E one? I think that could work.

quote:
Originally posted by Shemmy


Likewise archons should be the LG celestial archons of 1e/2e/3e rather than the 4e "archons" that were evil elementals.


I don't see why the name couldn't be broadened to accommodate both? A Pure Archon or Celestial Archon could be what we've seen pre-4E and then Archons from other elemental planes could also be fleshed out.

quote:
Originally posted by Shemmy


I'm not averse to still having 4e creatures included. However if the divergent 4e cases get to keep the names of the originals that they hijacked, it's disheartening to an extreme when the past year has tried very hard to assuage fans that prior editions and their respective lore are respected, cherished parts of D&D, 5e will be embracing its heritage, etc. :(


Perhaps its more of a case of making them all fit
quote:
Originally posted by Shemmy

Genasi originated in 2e. Genasi in 2e and 3e are the same, with an incredible spectrum of possible appearances depending on what element taints their blood. The 4e genasi have different types and often don't resemble the 2e/3e genasi. I hope that we see a return to the 2e/3e conventions (albeit with the inclusion of the 4e types when and where they make sense).



To me, the biggest departure was in their appearance. I think that should mostly be up to the individual player rather than something pushed by the game. If someone wants spikey haired Genasi, fine. If I want my Air Genasi to have wavy white locks, cool. On the whole, the art should run the gambit of it all.
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quote:
Originally posted by Diffan

quote:
Originally posted by Shemmy

quote:
Originally posted by Diffan

quote:
Originally posted by Jergals Spare Scythe

quote:
Originally posted by Diffan

Tieflings, as far as the last playtest packet goes, talks about both versions. Tieflings who have made a pact with Asmodeus as well as another race called the planetouched. These planetouched have trace amounts of fiendish blood within them, however its diluted compared to infernal tieflings.

In game terms, it literally means nothing. All this shows is that your tiefling is either more like the 4e version (one who's given themselves over to the pact of Asmodeus or had parents who did) or the pre-4e version, in which your considered planetouch and your features are more toned down. In the end, it supports both and these no mechanical distinction between the two. I could, however, see some sort of sub-race being used that grants a few distinguishing traits between the two.



Perhaps aasimar will make a return as well, with devas being the incarnate angels, and "planetouched" aasimar reflecting the ones of celestial heritage.

Btw, did genasi get retconned with szuldar, or is there still unmarked genasi hanging about?



That would be pretty awesome. I could see Aasimar being the umbrella race with a distinction between Deva and Planetouched. I might even homebrew a new 5E Race for them.

As for Genasi, there's currently no info about them or any changes they'll make to them concerning D&D: Next. The only one's I'm aware of are the ones 4E and 3E had. Hopefully we'll get more information on them after 5E debuts.



I'd prefer that any 5e deva be the deva of 1e/2e/3e rather than the not-aasimar from 4e that have no relation to the former. Generally speaking they should reserve the name for the creature that has held the name for the longest tenure.


Well they could essentially do both by making the distinction between a earth-bound / reincarnated Deva that we saw in 4E and the Astral Deva, which was the name used in 3E. An Astral Deva is an extremely powerful being with a TON of features and powers that exceed most mortals. Contrast this with a PC-possible Deva, who at one point decided to become Mortal-bound and forever attempt to affect the world time and time again via reincarnation. I don't see why there can't be both?

quote:
Originally posted by Shemmy

Tieflings should be the wildly diverse any-type-of-fiendish-descent loveable riffraff they were in 2e and 3e, and call the 4e "tiefling" either an asmodean tiefling of some other subtype name rather than hijack the name and force the originals to call themselves something else.


Personally I'd like to see the Tiefling as an Umbrella name that represents both and have distinguishing names that represent them individually. A Planetouched is what we saw pre-4E and maybe..Pact-Bonded for the 4E one? I think that could work.

quote:
Originally posted by Shemmy


Likewise archons should be the LG celestial archons of 1e/2e/3e rather than the 4e "archons" that were evil elementals.


I don't see why the name couldn't be broadened to accommodate both? A Pure Archon or Celestial Archon could be what we've seen pre-4E and then Archons from other elemental planes could also be fleshed out.

quote:
Originally posted by Shemmy


I'm not averse to still having 4e creatures included. However if the divergent 4e cases get to keep the names of the originals that they hijacked, it's disheartening to an extreme when the past year has tried very hard to assuage fans that prior editions and their respective lore are respected, cherished parts of D&D, 5e will be embracing its heritage, etc. :(


Perhaps its more of a case of making them all fit
quote:
Originally posted by Shemmy

Genasi originated in 2e. Genasi in 2e and 3e are the same, with an incredible spectrum of possible appearances depending on what element taints their blood. The 4e genasi have different types and often don't resemble the 2e/3e genasi. I hope that we see a return to the 2e/3e conventions (albeit with the inclusion of the 4e types when and where they make sense).



To me, the biggest departure was in their appearance. I think that should mostly be up to the individual player rather than something pushed by the game. If someone wants spikey haired Genasi, fine. If I want my Air Genasi to have wavy white locks, cool. On the whole, the art should run the gambit of it all.



As much as I did not like what 4th ed. did to the Realms, I'm all for more options for players, even options with which I disagree. Hopefully, we will be able to pick and choose to get the flavor of character we want, both appearance and ability-wise.

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Gyor
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http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/tabletop/11554-Inside-the-Launch-of-the-New-Dungeons-Dragons-With-Designer-Mike-Mearls.5

Mike Mearls interview with Escapist.

Rogue, Sorceror, Wizard, Bard, Paladin, Warlock, Monk, Druid, Fighter, Cleric, Ranger, Barbarian are in the PHB for classes.

Elf (including Drow), Dwarf, Halfling, Tiefling, Dragonborn, Half Elf, Human, Gnome, Half Orc (aka the races in 3.5 and in 4e), all are in the PHB.

Most races have 2 variants. Classes will have more, especially Wizards and Clerics. Fighters have 4.

FR is pretty much the default setting, with the DMG using FR for its examples (in a pinch you could use the DMG to run a realms campaign).

On the FRCG from Mearls can't say anything yet.

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Personal speculation:


The 4 fighter subclasses will be Warrior (simple), Elderich Knight (magical), Great Fighter (manuevers guy), and Warlord.

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quote:
Originally posted by Gyor

Personal speculation:


The 4 fighter subclasses will be Warrior (simple), Elderich Knight (magical), Great Fighter (manuevers guy), and Warlord.



Perhaps. We know there will be a simple version and the Playtest has been pretty staunch on it being called the Warrior. The only other one we've really seen was the Weaponmaster and I believe they're changing the name to Battle Master and it'll be the one where he has a list of maneuvers to choose from. We've also been told there's a possible Warlord-style version though I cannot say if it'll just be the Battle Master with a specific set of maneuvers that allow things like re-positioning, healing, granting attacks OR if it'll be a sub-class all it's own? I for one would LOVE the options you mentioned. I think it would go a LONG way for people to utilize their favorite version without too much crossover for those who don't like it (such as a 4E Fighter was always a Defender and Weapon-user vs. a Fighter who decides to not care about defense and goes for Archery instead).
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I'm not sure what the subclasses names will be, but I think I have the gist of it.

Wizards will have all 8 schools of magic, so Clerics are likely to have 8 domains as well.

I'm betting Warlock will have at least Star Pact, Fey Pact, and Infernal Pact, each with the a tome, blade, and chain verison of said pact.

Paladin will likely have Cavalier, Avenger, either Greyguard or Blackguard (I'd prefer Blackguard), and maybe Favoured Soul.

Sorceror will have Dragon and Wild magic blood lines and I think likely Elemental as well, outside chance of Favoured Soul.

I'm betting Monks have at least 4 monastic traditions to choose from. I hope Drunken Master is one of them or Desert Wind.

Barbarian will have mix of more traditional and primal magic subclasses.

I'm betting that Rogues will get 6 subclasses, inbetween clerics/wizards and fighters.

Rangers, Bards, and Paladins will likely get the same amount of Subclasses as each other.

Just some guesses of mine.
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quote:
Originally posted by Gyor


Elf (including Drow), Dwarf, Halfling, Tiefling, Dragonborn, Half Elf, Human, Gnome, Half Orc (aka the races in 3.5 and in 4e), all are in the PHB.

Most races have 2 variants. Classes will have more, especially Wizards and Clerics. Fighters have 4.

FR is pretty much the default setting, with the DMG using FR for its examples (in a pinch you could use the DMG to run a realms campaign).

On the FRCG from Mearls can't say anything yet.





So the Drow are going to be a PHB core race and FR the default setting.

If the time for Eilistraee and Vhaeraun/Masked Lady to return to the Realms isn't now, then I don't know when it could ever be.

Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things.

Edited by - Irennan on 05 Jun 2014 12:50:08
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Drustan Dwnhaedan
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Couldn't agree with you more, Irennan.

Edited by - Drustan Dwnhaedan on 09 Jun 2014 00:10:03
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Well, it clearly will not happen in a big way. One thought occurs to me.

D&D when started focused on good over evil, despite the anti D&D campaign saying D&D was satanic because it mentioned devils, demons and of course spell casting.
After all these years, what was not true then is becoming true now. Play an Evil character as a path to power and rewards. Turning Drow all Evil again (for the most part) and making them a core class, clearly could be a new target for sales.

Drows to kill Drizzt could become a new cult, of course kill anything that does get in your way as well.

Evil has over the years have appeared to become more popular. *shrugs*

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"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
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