| Author |
 Topic  |
|
Gary Dallison
Great Reader
United Kingdom
6453 Posts |
|
|
neuronphaser
Acolyte
USA
19 Posts |
 Posted - 21 May 2014 : 22:37:57
|
quote:
Originally posted by Mirtek
I wouldn't bet on that. I suspect the revenue from novel is much bigger than the revenue from game materials and there there are more novel reader only FR than actual FR D&D players
Considering how many FR novels have been on the NY Times list, I'd have to agree with this. |
 |
|
|
Tarlyn
Learned Scribe
USA
315 Posts |
Posted - 21 May 2014 : 23:22:48
|
| I have already pre-order my copies of the PHB and first leg of the Tyranny of Dragons. The price seems to be reasonable compared to other RPGs and I thought the playtest info was great. |
Tarlyn Embersun |
|
|
|
Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
1190 Posts |
Posted - 23 May 2014 : 17:01:27
|
quote:
I wouldnt place the blame for regional pricing onto WotC. Publishing and distribution costs for books are always increased [...]
Although, of course, they decide what the base price tag will be. This can be squarely blamed on Wizbro.
Exactly, the higher the base price, the higher the prices abroad because regional publishers want their share of the cake too. |
SiNafay Vrinn, the daughter of Lloth, from Ched Nasad!
http://zireael07.wordpress.com/ |
|
|
|
Caladan Brood
Senior Scribe
Norway
410 Posts |
Posted - 23 May 2014 : 18:08:51
|
| I love me some FR minis |
|
|
|
Delandil Aenar
Acolyte
6 Posts |
Posted - 24 May 2014 : 10:18:26
|
| I can't see a Setting book, are they willing to print one, or the informations about the realms will be included in the player's guide? |
Neither a warrior nor a cleric could heal the wounds made by love |
|
|
|
Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3823 Posts |
Posted - 24 May 2014 : 11:14:02
|
| It will come later, I guess... |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
|
|
|
Gyor
Master of Realmslore
1632 Posts |
|
|
Neo2151
Learned Scribe
USA
118 Posts |
Posted - 25 May 2014 : 02:51:22
|
Totally agree with Wooly here. Those are very small books for $50 a pop, and you don't even get all the rules in a single book?
Once upon a time, maybe. Back in the day, if you wanted to play D&D, you only really had one choice: WotC. But times have changed and expectations have changed with them, and WotC doesn't have a monopoly on "D&D" anymore.
WotC should be embarrassed that they can't keep up. |
"Come looking for me, and I will blast you to dust, and then lay waste to all your descendants, ancestors, and the realm you came from, every last tree and stone of it. Why? Well, it's what I usually do."
-Baerendra Riverhand on The Story of Spellfire |
Edited by - Neo2151 on 25 May 2014 02:53:05 |
|
|
|
George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6689 Posts |
Posted - 25 May 2014 : 08:39:26
|
If they had the power to revoke the 3E gaming licence, I'd like to see anyone keep up. Pathfinder should kiss WotC's behind daily.
-- George Krashos |
"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
|
|
|
Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36998 Posts |
Posted - 25 May 2014 : 14:13:06
|
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos
If they had the power to revoke the 3E gaming licence, I'd like to see anyone keep up. Pathfinder should kiss WotC's behind daily.
-- George Krashos
That's quite true... Paizo would be nowhere without the OGL. Which helps explains the rather draconian terms of the GSL. One of the terms was, as I recall, "publish anything for 4E, and you'll never touch 3E again." Another was, again going by memory, "we can revoke this at any time, it's your job to see if we have, and if we do, you're screwed and have no legal recourse to do diddley about it."
I still think the OGL was a brilliant maneuver on WotC's part... It's just that the folks who wrote it didn't know the rules were going to go in a radically different direction, several years later. Which is another reason for Paizo to thank WotC: even with the OGL, if 4E hadn't been very different from 3E, there wouldn't have been that much of a market for Pathfinder. |
Candlekeep Forums Moderator
Candlekeep - The Library of Forgotten Realms Lore
http://www.candlekeep.com -- Candlekeep Forum Code of Conduct
I am the Giant Space Hamster of Ill Omen!  |
Edited by - Wooly Rupert on 25 May 2014 14:17:59 |
|
|
|
Gary Dallison
Great Reader
United Kingdom
6453 Posts |
|
|
Delwa
Master of Realmslore
USA
1272 Posts |
Posted - 25 May 2014 : 16:58:15
|
I thought this might be helpful to the discussion, as it provides details on each core book's contents and can help you assess the value of the book.
http://goo.gl/ooZsDi
It sounds like the DMG is going to be more like 3E's Unearthed Arcana, providing more rules options to customize your game than actually providing additional rules needed to play.
This would make the PHB all that more valuable, IMO.
If Monsters remain like the play test, then a simple paragraph in the MM would be sufficient for encounter building, as each monster would be worth a given amount of XP, and you're building encounters on an XP budget.
That leaves magic item creation and the optional rules to either the PHB or DMG.
|
- Delwa Aunglor
I am off to slay yon refrigerator and spoil it's horde. Go for the cheese, Boo!
"The Realms change; seldom at the speed desired of those who strive, but far too quickly for those who resist." - The Simbul, taken from the Forgotten Realms Campaign Conspectus |
|
|
|
Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36998 Posts |
Posted - 26 May 2014 : 01:06:14
|
quote:
Originally posted by Delwa
If Monsters remain like the play test, then a simple paragraph in the MM would be sufficient for encounter building, as each monster would be worth a given amount of XP, and you're building encounters on an XP budget.
Oh, ye dancing gods, I hope that they don't go this route. Monster books are so much more useful when we have more than "it looks like this and fights like that" as the write-up. The 2E monster books from TSR were the pinnacle of D&D monster books, and WotC has consistently underwhelmed with their monsters since then.
My fave monster books from all of the post-2E era were the Monsternomicon books for the Iron Kingdoms, because they gave complete monster write-ups.
As much as I like Pathfinder, even their monster books don't compare to the 2E ones.
I want full descriptions -- I want most of the page to be given to the monster's appearance, its habits, its organization, and the uses for it when it's dead. Give me something other than "XP/HP Assembly #4,387." Make monsters useful for something other than pincushions for swords. |
Candlekeep Forums Moderator
Candlekeep - The Library of Forgotten Realms Lore
http://www.candlekeep.com -- Candlekeep Forum Code of Conduct
I am the Giant Space Hamster of Ill Omen! |
|
|
|
Delwa
Master of Realmslore
USA
1272 Posts |
Posted - 26 May 2014 : 15:15:00
|
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by Delwa
If Monsters remain like the play test, then a simple paragraph in the MM would be sufficient for encounter building, as each monster would be worth a given amount of XP, and you're building encounters on an XP budget.
Oh, ye dancing gods, I hope that they don't go this route. Monster books are so much more useful when we have more than "it looks like this and fights like that" as the write-up. The 2E monster books from TSR were the pinnacle of D&D monster books, and WotC has consistently underwhelmed with their monsters since then.
My fave monster books from all of the post-2E era were the Monsternomicon books for the Iron Kingdoms, because they gave complete monster write-ups.
As much as I like Pathfinder, even their monster books don't compare to the 2E ones.
I want full descriptions -- I want most of the page to be given to the monster's appearance, its habits, its organization, and the uses for it when it's dead. Give me something other than "XP/HP Assembly #4,387." Make monsters useful for something other than pincushions for swords.
Sorry, I didn't mean each monster would be just a stat block.
I've not seen anything to indicate that, they seem to be leaning to what you described in terms of monsters.
I meant instead of the two or three pages on CR / ECL, and tables like in the 3.5 DMG, they have just a simple paragraph or column like they did in the play test for building encounters against an XP budget, and they could put it in the back of the Monster Manual. Each monster could have it's own page, complete with tactics, stats, and ecology. Also on that page would be how much XP the monsters are worth, for example, an Ogre warrior is worth Y amount of XP, but an Ogre Mage is worth Z amount.
I do want the old second edition style entries, I love them. |
- Delwa Aunglor
I am off to slay yon refrigerator and spoil it's horde. Go for the cheese, Boo!
"The Realms change; seldom at the speed desired of those who strive, but far too quickly for those who resist." - The Simbul, taken from the Forgotten Realms Campaign Conspectus |
|
|
|
Gyor
Master of Realmslore
1632 Posts |
Posted - 27 May 2014 : 02:51:55
|
I don't believe that the MM is going to be just like the miniumalist playtest bestiary. From past Lengend and Lore articles I'm under the impression that it will contain stuff like ecology, society and so on as makes sense for a particle creature.
Also there will be Lengendary creatures as well with a whole lot of cool other stuff.
The stats will likely been that simple stile, but the fluff will be greater for many if not most creatures. |
|
|
|
Delwa
Master of Realmslore
USA
1272 Posts |
Posted - 27 May 2014 : 06:00:05
|
Here you are! More details. The Basic Rules and info will be free.
http://www.wizards.com/dnd/Article.aspx?x=dnd/4ll/20140527 |
- Delwa Aunglor
I am off to slay yon refrigerator and spoil it's horde. Go for the cheese, Boo!
"The Realms change; seldom at the speed desired of those who strive, but far too quickly for those who resist." - The Simbul, taken from the Forgotten Realms Campaign Conspectus |
|
|
|
Plaguescarred
Learned Scribe
Canada
190 Posts |
Posted - 27 May 2014 : 18:03:01
|
quote:
Originally posted by Delwa
Here you are! More details. The Basic Rules and info will be free.
http://www.wizards.com/dnd/Article.aspx?x=dnd/4ll/20140527
What a great news! Making the entry point a free PDF will make access to the game easier than ever!!
I also like the fact that the PDF will be revisited with updates as the game evolve!! |
Yan
Playtester |
|
|
|
silverwolfer
Senior Scribe
789 Posts |
Posted - 27 May 2014 : 18:07:07
|
| Dnd free to play model |
|
|
|
Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3823 Posts |
|
|
Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
1190 Posts |
|
|
Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36998 Posts |
|
|
Topic |
|
D&D Release Dates & Pricing Confirmed
