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silverwolfer
Senior Scribe
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Jeremy Grenemyer
Great Reader
USA
2717 Posts |
 Posted - 19 May 2014 : 19:16:37
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Kobold Press is involved, eh?
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6689 Posts |
Posted - 19 May 2014 : 19:54:56
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Strange that the PH is being released 2 days AFTER Gen-Con.
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The Arcanamach
Master of Realmslore
1885 Posts |
Posted - 19 May 2014 : 20:00:29
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You beat me to it but this is some good news. I mean Kobold Press, Mr. Baur? And the artwork on those tomes is worth the price alone, IMHO.
@GK: Yeah that's a bit strange. Mayhaps they will be selling some advance copies at the Con? |
I have a dream that one day, all game worlds will exist as one. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36998 Posts |
Posted - 19 May 2014 : 20:36:34
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Considering that Pathfinder has its PHB and DMG in one book, I'm a little surprised at the prices on those 5E books.
I don't dislike the artwork, myself, but I'm not particularly impressed by it. It's good, but not the best I've seen. |
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The Arcanamach
Master of Realmslore
1885 Posts |
Posted - 19 May 2014 : 22:14:53
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| I think they were thinking that the cost of the combined book may lead to many gripes about price Wooly. Granted, Paizo did it and kept the price at a good range...but maybe WotC will be offering more in the two tomes than what was presented in the Paizo Core Rules. We won't know until after the Con. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
8066 Posts |
Posted - 19 May 2014 : 23:45:48
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But dividing the basic game rules into Player(s) vs DM helps foster the adversarial, antagonistic, slightly sadistic, highly conspirational, and argumentive attitudes which have traditionally been fundamental to what the (A)D&D play experience is all about!
Only a fool would put complete information into public domain. Bad Paizo! A DM has to have his evil secrets, or at the very least, he must be able to convincingly threaten the Players there is a possibility (probability) of springing evil secret surprises into their miserable, worried, puny little lives. Can‘t do that when all the unknowns become fully known, when everyone has common, open, fair access to the actual rules of the game they play. D&D aint like Chess, its more like guerilla warfare. |
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silverwolfer
Senior Scribe
789 Posts |
Posted - 20 May 2014 : 01:27:24
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Okay so this is the honest break down, also here some eyecandy, the cover for the new rise of tiamat book
http://rack.1.mshcdn.com/media/ZgkyMDE0LzA1LzE4LzE3L2FtcGVyc2FuZGRuLmViNDVmLmpwZwpwCXRodW1iCTEyMDB4OTYwMD4/d2b55c9d/ba4/ampersand-dnd.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xgDCsSl.jpg
Now as for the other items, they are staggering the release in this way, starter set to wet the appietate and lead to more group building and word of mouth, players guide comes out which also as all the things the DM needs, and then the DM book which is more full of suggestoins and aid to run things but not actual rules. Monster manual to spread things out even more.
Each book is being released once per month instead of all at once, because you can easily afford $50 dollars a month more so then you can afford 150 all at once, and you might ignore it all at once. |
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The Arcanamach
Master of Realmslore
1885 Posts |
Posted - 20 May 2014 : 02:30:05
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
USA
1618 Posts |
Posted - 20 May 2014 : 02:50:34
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Dark Wizard
Senior Scribe
USA
830 Posts |
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Delwa
Master of Realmslore
USA
1272 Posts |
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Cbad285
Learned Scribe
161 Posts |
Posted - 20 May 2014 : 10:42:57
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hashimashadoo
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
1159 Posts |
Posted - 20 May 2014 : 13:02:27
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£30 for core books and £18 for adventures? Could be worse...assuming WotC doesn't do that oh-so-typical gimmick of charging foreign customers way more than they would their american customers.
I wonder if they're keeping the same UK distributor...you know, the distributor that managed to alienate the biggest book store chain in the country shortly after 4e came out. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 20 May 2014 : 13:41:12
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I'm looking forward to the new edition (both system and FR), but those are kind of pricey (when you consider how many they will be selling - they can afford cheaper runs then most companies because of that).
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Originally posted by The Arcanamach
I think they were thinking that the cost of the combined book may lead to many gripes about price Wooly. Granted, Paizo did it and kept the price at a good range...but maybe WotC will be offering more in the two tomes than what was presented in the Paizo Core Rules.
So you are basically saying WotC is incapable of doing what Paizo can do?
We've known that for some time. Paizo only needs to feed Paizo.
As for the artwork - its hit-or-miss for me: Some is great, some is bad, and the majority of it is 'acceptable'. Thats pretty-much how its been in every edition since the beginning.
I think the minis are way too expensive. Ours (Ravenlore Press) will be MUCH cheaper (but thats down the road, so buy what you need for now). |
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
1288 Posts |
Posted - 20 May 2014 : 15:49:20
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| I am really interested in the new Forgotten Realms book more than anything. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36998 Posts |
Posted - 20 May 2014 : 16:56:25
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Originally posted by Mournblade
I am really interested in the new Forgotten Realms book more than anything.
Ditto. I'm playing Pathfinder, now, so it's iffy as to whether or not I'll even buy these books. |
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
1190 Posts |
Posted - 20 May 2014 : 19:32:14
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| Meh. The Europeans get even higher prices, so I won't be touching those... |
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Tamsar
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
141 Posts |
Posted - 20 May 2014 : 21:42:20
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| Judging from the Picture, unless the person holding them is really a hill giant (or has freaksishly large hands, those seem to be very small sized books in comparision to previous editions. Just saying. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
8066 Posts |
Posted - 20 May 2014 : 22:40:51
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I wouldnt place the blame for regional pricing onto WotC. Publishing and distribution costs for books are always increased across the board in foreign territories, thats just how it works whether its Wizbro or not, publishing is an old game filled with many powerfully entrenched players. Digital books will seemingly always be kept at.price parity with hardprint, even though there is great disparity in format and sometimes also content. Nothing that Wizbro can really do about any of that.
Although, of course, they decide what the base price tag will be. This can be squarely blamed on Wizbro. To be fair, they are running a business and it would be nice for our favourite authors to actually receive financial rewards for their works.
And they might always implement an in-house Print-On-Demand system, you never know. I kinda suspect that they will always approach POD from a corporate megapublisher angle, and consequently they will install costs and complexities which will never make the best and simplest implementation into a reality. This also can be blamed on Wizbro. |
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idilippy
Senior Scribe
USA
417 Posts |
Posted - 20 May 2014 : 23:04:56
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| I've been spoiled by Pathfinder I think, since I can't imagine spending $150 and having to wait 3-4 months for just the base 3 books to come out and let me run a game in that system. Between the OGL Pathfinder rules, the really awesome pdf prices for most of Paizo's core books, and an abundance of incredible 3rd party publishers backing it, I am pretty certain 5e isn't going to pull me away from Pathfinder. I do like that WotC has what looks to be a very reasonably priced 1-5 level starter set in the works. Unless WotC decides to go with reasonably priced pdfs though I think I'm going to wait for the 5e Realms book to come out before sending any money their way. That's the only 5e book I'm at all interested in at the moment, and even that interest is pretty lukewarm. I hope it comes out and is utterly fantastic and draws me in all over again, if it does that maybe it'll pull me into the 5e rules, otherwise I think the only D&D rule sets I'll be using in the future will be 2e or 1e, with Paizo taking care of my d20 needs. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36998 Posts |
Posted - 20 May 2014 : 23:18:51
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quote:
Originally posted by idilippy
I've been spoiled by Pathfinder I think, since I can't imagine spending $150 and having to wait 3-4 months for just the base 3 books to come out and let me run a game in that system. Between the OGL Pathfinder rules, the really awesome pdf prices for most of Paizo's core books, and an abundance of incredible 3rd party publishers backing it, I am pretty certain 5e isn't going to pull me away from Pathfinder. I do like that WotC has what looks to be a very reasonably priced 1-5 level starter set in the works. Unless WotC decides to go with reasonably priced pdfs though I think I'm going to wait for the 5e Realms book to come out before sending any money their way.
I have to agree with all of this (all that I left of the original quote). I'm not avoiding 5E, I just have no reason to look at it, unless my current group decides to adopt it. And given how well they know and are invested in Pathfinder, I don't see that happening.
I may get the 5E rulebooks from Amazon, or from my FLGS if I can get a similar price, but that's not a guarantee... I still have a few non-Pathfinder calls on my gaming money, like the Stormwall I've been drooling over for so long... |
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Gyor
Master of Realmslore
1632 Posts |
Posted - 21 May 2014 : 02:22:05
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I'm surprised the 5e Forgotten Realms campaign guide isn't listed as well, given two FR adventures are. How can one do 5e FR adventures when one doesn't have a full concept what the 5e realms looks like?
I will likely buy the Starter Pack, and the PHB, we will see after that. |
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Gyor
Master of Realmslore
1632 Posts |
Posted - 21 May 2014 : 03:10:44
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| I may rethink the starter set, it doesn't have character creation rules. There is something between the starter set and the PH that will have character creation rules. This needs to be full explained by Mike Mearls as I am confused. |
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
USA
4266 Posts |
Posted - 21 May 2014 : 04:17:21
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I'm buying them.
"Why?!" you may ask.
Simply: if D&D goes under, Forgotten Realms goes with it. Seriously, they will not support settings if their core rules fall into being shelved.
I'm not just buying them for that either. I like the feel I've had so far...so I'm in. I mean, seriously, $150 every few years...I spend many more times that in fast food every year for my kids! |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6689 Posts |
Posted - 21 May 2014 : 09:47:11
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I'm buying my PH at GEN-CON and getting Ed to sign it. Worth it for that alone!
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"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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Khelben
Acolyte
Denmark
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Posted - 21 May 2014 : 11:55:30
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Originally posted by George Krashos
I'm buying my PH at GEN-CON and getting Ed to sign it. Worth it for that alone!
I wish I Would be able to do the same. Very Big fan of Ed and The Realms.. I'll definately buy the ph from my local dnd shop, as I have for the last 30 years.. |
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Delwa
Master of Realmslore
USA
1272 Posts |
Posted - 21 May 2014 : 16:18:07
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Originally posted by Dalor Darden
I'm buying them.
"Why?!" you may ask.
Simply: if D&D goes under, Forgotten Realms goes with it. Seriously, they will not support settings if their core rules fall into being shelved.
I'm not just buying them for that either. I like the feel I've had so far...so I'm in. I mean, seriously, $150 every few years...I spend many more times that in fast food every year for my kids!
Hear hear! I'll second that. Additionally, I'm getting them because the rule system works amazingly well for me. The prior editions were fun for me, with one exception, but I feel like I can immerse myself in the mechanics of this one more.
I really don't get the complaint on pricing. Everything they've published recently has been about the same SRP, so I wasn't surprised. To me, the system is easy enough to tinker with, I can get tons of gaming out of those core books alone, and I've already got my gaming group on board with the edition change, so it's well worth the money. But your milage may vary. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36998 Posts |
Posted - 21 May 2014 : 17:20:54
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quote:
Originally posted by Delwa
I really don't get the complaint on pricing. Everything they've published recently has been about the same SRP, so I wasn't surprised. To me, the system is easy enough to tinker with, I can get tons of gaming out of those core books alone, and I've already got my gaming group on board with the edition change, so it's well worth the money. But your milage may vary.
The complaint on pricing, at least for me, is based on Pathfinder pricing. With Pathfinder, there is a single Core Rulebook -- it's the PHB and DMG combined. And it's $50 for that one book.
So $50 for one book that has everything, or $50 each for two books. It should be easy to see why some people would prefer the former. |
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Delwa
Master of Realmslore
USA
1272 Posts |
Posted - 21 May 2014 : 17:59:11
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Delwa
I really don't get the complaint on pricing. Everything they've published recently has been about the same SRP, so I wasn't surprised. To me, the system is easy enough to tinker with, I can get tons of gaming out of those core books alone, and I've already got my gaming group on board with the edition change, so it's well worth the money. But your milage may vary.
The complaint on pricing, at least for me, is based on Pathfinder pricing. With Pathfinder, there is a single Core Rulebook -- it's the PHB and DMG combined. And it's $50 for that one book.
So $50 for one book that has everything, or $50 each for two books. It should be easy to see why some people would prefer the former.
I understand that, to a degree. Yet two things confuse me about that argument. First, Pathfinder had a proven ruleset they knew people would buy. They could reasonably gamble everything on one throw and win.
Second, Mike Mearls has said via Twitter that the Next PHB will be all you need to play a campaign. What he means by that is pure speculation, he's being closed mouthed about further info,but if that's true, then the PHB sounds similar to the Pathfinder Core Book, and will be worth the price.  |
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I am off to slay yon refrigerator and spoil it's horde. Go for the cheese, Boo!
"The Realms change; seldom at the speed desired of those who strive, but far too quickly for those who resist." - The Simbul, taken from the Forgotten Realms Campaign Conspectus |
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Mirtek
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 21 May 2014 : 19:05:22
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Originally posted by Dalor Darden
I'm buying them.
"Why?!" you may ask.
Simply: if D&D goes under, Forgotten Realms goes with it. Seriously, they will not support settings if their core rules fall into being shelved.
I wouldn't bet on that. I suspect the revenue from novels is much bigger than the revenue from game materials and there are more novel reader only FR fans than actual FR D&D players |
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D&D Release Dates & Pricing Confirmed
