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Originally posted by Logoi

I mean published after 2008... I am really curious about what happens after the end of the Lady Penitent... what happens exactly to Hallistra? What happens with the drow-turned-into-dark elves?

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Originally posted by Irennan

Tbh, I don't see much to develop on the dark elves side. The transformation is out of character IMO: drow are happy as drow and wouldn't want -or need- to change what they are, and neither E nor V would force it. Being able to choose their life has nothing to do with random curses that have no concrete effect on them in first place.

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Tbh, I don't see much to develop on the dark elves side. The transformation is out of character IMO: drow are happy as drow and wouldn't want -or need- to change what they are, and neither E nor V would force it. Being able to choose their life has nothing to do with random curses that have no concrete effect on them in first place.

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-As I am remembering it, the Descent curse was reversed when Q'whatever and others negated it using their own Elven High Magic. Eilistraee and Vhaeraun weren't the ones who did it.

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Idk what brownies are supposed to be. Before LP I thought that dark elves were actually drow (or so I understood from Elaine's Evermeet novel, when she describes Lolth as having drow traits and says that Corellon trusted her with the fate of a race of elves that looked like her) and that the Descent was more mental/spiritual than material (which actually makes way more sense than ''lulz, you're ebil so you get to be dark and shady''). It looks like this part was retconned/ignored in those novels.

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Qilué Veladorn, that lore spoke of the Seventh Sister (predictions before birth) was that she would crate a new race also known as the dark disaster IIRC.

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Originally posted by Kentinal

Well it is hard to say what Brown Elves are or at least I never saw any stats for them. One would hope they lost light blindness, it though clearly should not mean they lost other things. Maybe even gained something.

Qilué Veladorn, that lore spoke of the Seventh Sister (predictions before birth) was that she would crate a new race also known as the dark disaster IIRC.

In any event it was reported that a followup up book did reference a brown elf, however not much more.

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Posted - 31 Jan 2013 : 04:41:33 Show Profile Email Poster Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message Reply with Quote

quote:Originally posted by Jeremy Grenemyer

You may be on to something about the Seventh Sister. Anyone know Qilue's design origins?



quote: The Seven Sisters were around in the Realms from the very beginning (1967), though at first I knew only that there were a large number of silver-haired, tall, powerful, beautiful she-siblings...the number didn't climb to seven until around 1978, and I deliberately left the seventh slot 'vacant,' as a 'loose end' for either TSR or individual DMs to fill in (by the way, folks: to DMs contemplating campaigns designed for longevity, continually building in 'loose ends' is a crucial design element; TSR has been building mine and their own added ones into complete products for some years, and such good scribes as Eric, George, Grant, and the Bryans have been give headaches aplenty in reconciling them).

In this case, I had it in the back of my head that the last and youngest would be something of a 'black sheep' (I was thinking 'tomboy') and so wrote that "the seventh was a dark disaster." Steven [Schend] pounced on that, and the name and race of Qilue are his creation (leaving me with the 'how did THAT happen?' explanation to do in THE SEVEN SISTERS :}). I think it's a great touch - just another example of how the Realms benefits by the inspired efforts of lots of creators, rather than just one. Steven deserves to take more than a few hard-earned bows for his sensitive and thoughtful work in the Realms...and I hereby salute him once more! Slonshal!



So Ed left her undescribed, Steven Schend came up with the idea of making her a drow, and then Ed had to explain it.

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Posted - 29 Feb 2004 : 04:33:52 Show Profile Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message

Kuje, I flipped this to Ed (who was hard at work writing), and when he came up for air at the end of a chapter, he pounded out this reply:

Qilue is a Chosen of Mystra with all the powers and special status other Chosen of the Mother Of All Magic possess.
Eilistraee wanted a “claim” on her, too, hence her Chosen of Eilistraee title. It means two things: she’s as loyal to Eilistraee as to Mystra (in daily practise, as shown in SILVERFALL, more so), and Eilistraee foresees using her in some great task (i.e. a not-yet-revealed destiny).
Being as this is Candlekeep, I can do no more than point you to what a Harper PC (not one of the Knights) uncovered when asking a monk of Candlekeep to research Qilue’s destiny. The monk was of course limited to finding prophecies and other written histories, and reported thus: one seer saw a dream wherein Qilue wielded a sword forged of her own blood, and was hailed by knights as “the Godslayer.”
However, another seer (the monk declined to identify either of his sources, BTW) said “the dark one who serves two goddesses but leads the dance for only one shall be mother to a new race, and change the face of the Realms forever.”
Either way, it seems Qilue’s future bids fair to be interesting.



So saith Ed. Alaundo, you heard it here first. It seems Candlekeep holds some doggedly diligent or creative monks (or both).

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Originally posted by Irennan

Also the point of eilistraeens is that drow -as a race- can choose their life, to not be evil and not be Lolth's puppets; why did Q'whatever (who is an eilistraeen, afaik) cast that spell then, how was it supposed to advance their cause?

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Originally posted by Kentinal

Well it is hard to say what Brown Elves are or at least I never saw any stats for them. One would hope they lost light blindness, it though clearly should not mean they lost other things. Maybe even gained something.

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Also the point of eilistraeens is that drow -as a race- can choose their life, to not be evil and not be Lolth's puppets; why did Q'whatever (who is an eilistraeen, afaik) cast that spell then, how was it supposed to advance their cause?

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-I don't recall offhand, since it's been many, many years, but I'm pretty sure his motivations are explained in the novel itself. It's very fuzzy, but had something to do with the Taint of Wendonai, the Selu'kiira, and that powerful magician guy (Sethomiir?).

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Originally posted by Aulduron

Q'arlynd destroyed the Faerzress which kept the Drow bound to the underdark. Only Drow with no taint, or those who had been redeemed by Eilstraee were changed.

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The more I thought about these events, the more I decided I was going to view it as a temporary thing. The Faerzress may have been destroyed or altered, but like mushrooms after a rainfall, it's going to start popping back up and regrowing in areas. High Magic isn't perfect after all. In regards, to the drow redemption, I'd view that as a blessing of a generation. The dark elves of old may have been rebirthed, but there will be others to rescue and bring into the fold. E's mission will continue.

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Originally posted by Eilserus

The more I thought about these events, the more I decided I was going to view it as a temporary thing. The Faerzress may have been destroyed or altered, but like mushrooms after a rainfall, it's going to start popping back up and regrowing in areas. High Magic isn't perfect after all. In regards, to the drow redemption, I'd view that as a blessing of a generation. The dark elves of old may have been rebirthed, but there will be others to rescue and bring into the fold. E's mission will continue.

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Originally posted by Irennan

Meh. AFAIK the taint causes no concrete impairment in drow life (just like the Descent), it just means that Corellon doesn't like them in Arvandor. However there are so many other places where they can go, E's realm included. I don't see how this thing can advance eilistraeens' or vhaerunites' goal in any substantial way, it would even oppose it -as they would lose all drow agents to work with and a lot of the transformed elves would die while trying to survive the underdark w/o drow senses-.

Also I find it to be lame that a handful of people got to impose their decision on many more, it sounds just like some deus ex machina so that they could say ''there are no drow other than 'tradtional' ones''.

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Originally posted by Logoi

what happens after the end of the Lady Penitent... what happens exactly to Hallistra? What happens with the drow-turned-into-dark elves?

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-On that, there is nothing.
-But, when you think about it logically: the ones that transformed probably died or were killed pretty quickly. Reverting back into Dark Elves, it is most likely that they lost their darkvision

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-As I am remembering it, the Descent curse was reversed when Q'whatever and others negated it using their own Elven High Magic. Eilistraee and Vhaeraun weren't the ones who did it.

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Originally posted by Kentinal

Well it is hard to say what Brown Elves are or at least I never saw any stats for them.

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The Taint of Wendonai, I didn't like, and I have a hard time believing that, after thousands of years of intermarriage between the original Ilythiiri and other Dark Elf groups that were driven underground, that any Drow would exist that wouldn't have "his blood".

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Originally posted by TBeholder

Their communities tend to be fairly isolated from each other. But yes. Another matter is that there's no reason to assume they wouldn't get more fiend blood influx. We're talking about the folk accustomed to untransformed Glabrezu-on-Drow action, after all. Do the foocubi and cambions even count as something very exotic?

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