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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author
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 Posted - 22 Jun 2009 : 12:46:08
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
Elaine, I just noticed that your livejournal account is gone! Is everything okay?
No worries--just really busy and wanting to cut down on online time. I'll be rebuilding my website ;ater this summer and will probably incorporate a blog into the design. Until then, I'd just as soon not be signing on to LJ to read other people's blogs. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 Jun 2009 : 13:40:04
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Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
Elaine, I just noticed that your livejournal account is gone! Is everything okay?
No worries--just really busy and wanting to cut down on online time. I'll be rebuilding my website ;ater this summer and will probably incorporate a blog into the design. Until then, I'd just as soon not be signing on to LJ to read other people's blogs.
Glad that everything's well then. Can't wait to see the new site.
(although it seems that my lj account has become just another news source for me... hmm) |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jun 2009 : 20:05:40
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Elaine,
Have you ever thought of taking a trip to Amsterdam and pitching your musical bong idea to some real-world musicians? this could be a hit! (or does it already exist? this old Purple One would not know about such recreational implements...) |
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author
2396 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jun 2009 : 16:39:09
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Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
Elaine,
Have you ever thought of taking a trip to Amsterdam and pitching your musical bong idea to some real-world musicians? this could be a hit! (or does it already exist? this old Purple One would not know about such recreational implements...)
Trust me, this wasn't MY idea. I only cited it to support my theory that fantasy writers and game designers tend to get a little silly when they're dealing with bards. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 23 Jun 2009 : 16:46:22
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Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
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Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
Elaine,
Have you ever thought of taking a trip to Amsterdam and pitching your musical bong idea to some real-world musicians? this could be a hit! (or does it already exist? this old Purple One would not know about such recreational implements...)
Trust me, this wasn't MY idea. I only cited it to support my theory that fantasy writers and game designers tend to get a little silly when they're dealing with bards.
That's better than one fantasy author I've read, who is so in love with bards that a bard of moderate ability is more powerful than a highly skilled and experienced wizard. That was one of many things that soured me on that particular author (another was the fact that this author's best work happened with a particular co-author, and not alone or with any other co-author). 
(I shan't name the author in question; suffice it to say they've never touched any major shared world that I know of). |
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author
2396 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jun 2009 : 18:26:02
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Folks, I've been debating whether or not to mention this here, but on balance it seems a good idea to let readers know that books will soon be unavailable. And by books, I mean ALL the novels I have written in the Realms, as well as the "best of ec" short story collection and all the anthologies to which I've contributed.
Here's the thing: Wizards of the Coast recently declared a LOT of books and game products out of print. For a complete list, see www.wizards.com/outofprint. If you've been thinking about reading some of the older books (mine included!), it's probably a good idea to get them sooner rather than later. You may still find copies on the shelves here and there, and some of my OOP titles are still sold on Amazon.com. But not for long. I checked on available copies in the warehouse; the most they have of any one title is 96 copies.
I hope this doesn't set off a round of "wtf?! OMG wotc is teh ebil!" and so on. It is NOT unusual for publishers to declare books OOP to streamline the backlist and made room on the shelves for new releases. There are many, many books whose shelf life is measured in months and in some cases--category romance, for example--two or three weeks. Considering how many books are set in the Realsm, it's not unreasonable to assume that some or most of them will eventually go out of print. ELFSHADOW has been in print for 18 years, so I can't complain. It has been a good, long run.
And for what it's worth, I'm not dead yet. There will be more stories coming, Corellon willing an' the creek don't rise.
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skychrome
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 23 Jun 2009 : 19:23:11
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Well Elaine, I just hope we will see new FR novels from you soon on the shelves to compensate for the loss!
This is not just a polite phrase! Hurry! Write write!
Independent from 4e events which basically made obsolete your Conselors & Kings Series (which I really loved) it is a pity in particular for Songs & Sword which is definitely one of the best realms series written so far.
I wish, WoTC would sell the out of print stuff as eBooks. I have never bought one but this would be a good incentive to check it out, as particularly the TSR novels are rather dificult to get outside the US.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 23 Jun 2009 : 20:26:16
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Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
I hope this doesn't set off a round of "wtf?! OMG wotc is teh ebil!" and so on.
I'm going to put on my mod hat and echo this statement. Looking at the list Elaine linked to, it appears to be an across-the-board thing. There are FR titles other than hers on there, including some Drizzt books. And there's a lot of other stuff on there, too, like Dragginglance and Eber-whatsit. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
3243 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jun 2009 : 21:28:31
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I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author
2396 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jun 2009 : 22:41:27
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
Also, before decrying what's on that list, review the previous year's list (here) and you'll see that it's not anything new or 'teh ebil'.
Very true.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31777 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jun 2009 : 00:52:01
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
I hope this doesn't set off a round of "wtf?! OMG wotc is teh ebil!" and so on.
I'm going to put on my mod hat and echo this statement. Looking at the list Elaine linked to, it appears to be an across-the-board thing. There are FR titles other than hers on there, including some Drizzt books. And there's a lot of other stuff on there, too, like Dragginglance and Eber-whatsit.
And any scribe whose interested in discussions related to the out-of-print status of the DRAGONLANCE novels referenced on the listing should visit the DL Nexus. There's a worth thread that includes details about second-hand dealers who still carry a few of the OOP books.
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Drizztsmanchild
Learned Scribe
USA
228 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jun 2009 : 07:06:21
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Hmmm. How can Drizzt books be OOP when they are redoing the entire series in fancy hardcovers? Not logical Captain.
BTW on a side note with the used book stores popping up everywhere and of course the uber-popular libraries around no book by The Lady Cunningham will ever be out of reach or print. It just takes some searching. :)
It's also good to hear that you are leaving the possibility of writing in FR open Ms/Mrs Cunningham.
As I said before you are one of my fav authors :) |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36805 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jun 2009 : 15:42:19
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Originally posted by Drizztsmanchild
BTW on a side note with the used book stores popping up everywhere and of course the uber-popular libraries around no book by The Lady Cunningham will ever be out of reach or print. It just takes some searching. :)
In this area, all the used bookstores I knew about closed down. Even the one big one that predated and outlasted all the others folded a couple years back.
I'd not shopped at any of them for a long time -- even the one I used to frequent, I got to where I only went by there once a year or so. Still, it saddens me to see all those places closing down.  |
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Janav
Acolyte
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Posted - 15 Jul 2009 : 19:32:07
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Greetings!
Just stopped by to offer my sincere compliments/admiration/bootlicking for the Starlight & Shadows trilogy. The books had me enraptured for several days now and the characters were an utter delight.
I was also wondering wether you have any plans to write more books involving Liriel Baenre or if the drow princess is, in your mind, put to rest considering the changes in FR following 4th Ed.
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Kal_iath
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 16 Jul 2009 : 05:29:48
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I was sorely disappointed to learn that the final installment of Songs & Swords will never be. Arilyn has become nearly as dear to me as Drizzt. I will miss her adventures. I know they have tried many Resurrection spells on Reclamation to no avail, but I was wondering if I could ask its spirit three questions.
1. What was the secret of the moonblades?
2. What was the connection of the elf princess given to Elaith?
3. What became of Arilyn and Danilo?
I know with 4th edition out that all this is mute, and that you didn't actually complete the book. I will accept wild conjecture.
By the way the fourth edition and time jumps killed basically all my favorite characters. I miss you Kelben, Mirt, and the Chosen....
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Drizztsmanchild
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 16 Jul 2009 : 09:28:27
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I agree with you the jump was so sudden and left so many characters stories unfulfilled :(.
However if I may impose on this I don't think EC might be able to answer the last one just yet because of the dreaded NDA's ooooooooo. Lol. |
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 16 Jul 2009 : 10:28:16
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Originally posted by Janav
I was also wondering wether you have any plans to write more books involving Liriel Baenre or if the drow princess is, in your mind, put to rest considering the changes in FR following 4th Ed.
Hi, Janav.
Thanks for your post. I'm glad to hear you enjoyed Liriel's story. 
A short story entitled "Answered Prayers" was included in the "best of ec" story collection. This gave a glimpse into her life 10 year after the events of Windwalker. But there are no plans at this time to continue her story beyond that point.
I really don't know what might have become of Liriel. When we last saw her in "Answered Prayers," she had become a priestess of Mystra, thus blending her love of magic with her clerical leanings. Most likely she would have been hit hard by the Spellplague and its aftermath. |
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 16 Jul 2009 : 10:40:12
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Originally posted by Kal_iath
1. What was the secret of the moonblades?
2. What was the connection of the elf princess given to Elaith?
3. What became of Arilyn and Danilo?
Hi, Kal_iath. Drizztmanchild is correct: I can't discuss these questions as they would have been answered in the book, and are therefore covered by the NDA (non-disclosure agreement.) The NDA is, alas, so powerful an enchantment that it overrides any "speak with the dead" spell. |
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Kal_iath
Acolyte
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Posted - 16 Jul 2009 : 20:05:36
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Well, thank you for your consideration anyway. If I wasn't currently toiling away at my own novel you know I would probably write a fanfic for the world to see. However, I fear it would pale in comparison to your writing, and I would most likely be too biased towards some of my favorites that it would become utter "happy ending" drivel.
I hope to see Arilyn and company again someday, and I look forward to your new novels. Thanks Elaine.
Damnable NDA enchantment. Why is it so powerful? Why!... |
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 16 Jul 2009 : 20:27:17
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Originally posted by Kal_iath
If I wasn't currently toiling away at my own novel you know I would probably write a fanfic for the world to see. However, I fear it would pale in comparison to your writing, and I would most likely be too biased towards some of my favorites that it would become utter "happy ending" drivel.
I hope to see Arilyn and company again someday, and I look forward to your new novels.
Thanks for the kind words. Perhaps someday I'll be able to address some of these questions. |
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 22 Jul 2009 : 01:51:02
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Originally posted by Kal_iath
Damnable NDA enchantment. Why is it so powerful? Why!...
Because lore in the Brave New Realms (TM) is a commodity to be hoarded and locked away, never shared... and those who believe otherwise are looked upon by those in power as if mad. Or, at least, that's my theory.  But then, I still play 3.5 plus house rules and some tweaks from Pathfinder Beta, and will probably still be playing some combination of 3.5 and Pathfinder when 5E comes out... and possibly still thereafter. But that's me... play what you have fun playing, and remember that it's only a game.
Belated apologies for the threadjack... returning you to Elaine's scroll...  |
Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31777 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jul 2009 : 02:54:56
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Elaine, I've just been posing a question for Ed about Realms music. And since you've had some experience with this side of the Realms [music-related], I thought maybe you'd like to speculate somewhat on this also.
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Originally posted by The Sage
Question time Ed. Yes, another from the Sage. And yes, again based on my obsession with Realms music. 
Anyways, I was speculating on my blog earlier about this. Then I thought to come directly to you for a little further inspiration.
The main gist of my mental ramblings:-
I'm thinking about FORGOTTEN REALMS "theme music." You know, the kind of repetitive tune that you'd expect to hear throughout the game and that is purposely designed to help gamers and readers of the Realms identify with their favourite campaign world. We've had some previous examples in many of the CRPGs released for the Realms, I know. Some of the tunes from the two Icewind Dale games immediately come to mind. As does the introductory music to the first Neverwinter Nights game.
What I'd actually like to do, is try my own hand at composing something like this. Nothing too extensive. Just a short piece that I think would reflect the central/core elements of the Realms -- and stuff like characters, places, groups, etc. Obviously, those kinds of elements are wide and often diverse enough in tone and attitude that it would make it difficult for me to properly incorporate them all into a "theme song" for the Realms. But the ideas behind some of the themes inherent in the Realms, along with those supporting some characters and places, are basic enough to be related to other similar examples in many fantasy-worlds. And thus, I've got an effective basis to start from. So I want to try and build on that, all the while making sure there's suitable Realms influence. I don't want to make this too much like generic fantasy music after all.
So, I'm curious as to your thoughts on this as well. What do you think are the crucial themes/elements of the Realms that I should be trying to work into my music? |
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 23 Jul 2009 : 13:25:20
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Originally posted by The Sage
Elaine, I've just been posing a question for Ed about Realms music. And since you've had some experience with this side of the Realms [music-related], I thought maybe you'd like to speculate somewhat on this also.
Specifically:-
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Originally posted by The Sage
Question time Ed. Yes, another from the Sage. And yes, again based on my obsession with Realms music.
Anyways, I was speculating on my blog earlier about this. Then I thought to come directly to you for a little further inspiration.
The main gist of my mental ramblings:-
I'm thinking about FORGOTTEN REALMS "theme music." You know, the kind of repetitive tune that you'd expect to hear throughout the game and that is purposely designed to help gamers and readers of the Realms identify with their favourite campaign world. We've had some previous examples in many of the CRPGs released for the Realms, I know. Some of the tunes from the two Icewind Dale games immediately come to mind. As does the introductory music to the first Neverwinter Nights game.
What I'd actually like to do, is try my own hand at composing something like this. Nothing too extensive. Just a short piece that I think would reflect the central/core elements of the Realms -- and stuff like characters, places, groups, etc. Obviously, those kinds of elements are wide and often diverse enough in tone and attitude that it would make it difficult for me to properly incorporate them all into a "theme song" for the Realms. But the ideas behind some of the themes inherent in the Realms, along with those supporting some characters and places, are basic enough to be related to other similar examples in many fantasy-worlds. And thus, I've got an effective basis to start from. So I want to try and build on that, all the while making sure there's suitable Realms influence. I don't want to make this too much like generic fantasy music after all.
So, I'm curious as to your thoughts on this as well. What do you think are the crucial themes/elements of the Realms that I should be trying to work into my music?
That's a really interesting question.
My son Sean and I were discussing movie music the other day and admiring John Williams' ability to create a melody that seems to capture the spirit of a character or story. Sean also likes "The Eternal Vow" from the movie "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon". Now there's an evocative melody. (I just ordered it for him this week from Musicnote.com--very convenient resource, btw, if a little pricey considering the simplistic arrangements.)
So back to your question, what sort of music would capture the essense of the Realms? Complicating this question is the fact that the Realms musical essense is subjective, and could vary widely depending upon the intended audience. When Sean was in high school, he was amazed and amused by some of his peers' response to the music in the movie "A Knight's Quest." To them, Queen was entirely suitable to medieval times. It's, like, really old music, right?
So. Some gamers' inner ear might hear the Realms in terms of metal, some might find medieval-tinged rock to be most suited to their impressions of the Realms. Other might think in terms of symphonic "movie music." My own bias would lean toward medieval and tradition folk influences and instruments. When I think of a Waterdeep tavern, I envision a noisy, smoky, bustling place with two guys playing bodhrun and hurdy-gurdy in the corner.
So. If I were scoring an adventure, I'd go for the John Williams model, with a heavy reliance on catchy melodies to evoke theme and character. But I'd scale down the instrumentation and add more medieval influences and folk instruments. I'd go for a blend of northern European and middle Eastern elements, similar to some the the stuff Loreena McKennit does, to evoke an exotic, multi-cultural feel.
As regards those melodies, well. That's not my gift. I can do workmanlike arrangements, thanks to years of theory and composition classes, but the melodies I write just don't have that special, indefinable spark. (The closest I've come is "The Greymist Maiden," one of Danilo Thann's tunes. I've never composed lyrics for this tune, but how Dan feels about Arilyn? It's right there in the melody.)
To me, melody is a lot like FR spellcasting. If most people mix saphires and rare herbs harvested under the new moon with a pinch of bat guano, they end up with jewelry that needs a good cleaning. But a wizard could shift the ingredients just slightly, add a little more of this or that, and the result is a miniature blue pegasus for his god-daughter's birthday. When it comes to composition, I'm less like the wizard than the guy who ends up scrubbing off failed spells with old toothbrush. So when I try to envision a melody that would capture, say, Elminster, the way the Darth Vader leitmotif nailed that character, I come up blank. Wish that weren't the case, but there it is.
I'd love to hear what you come up with for the Realms. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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3243 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jul 2009 : 13:53:08
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Speaking of John Williams' ability to capture characters and mood, I'd rank Howard Shore's Lord of the Rings and Hans Zimmer/James Newton Howard The Dark Knight compositions up there as well. I'm a big movie buff and love when a soundtrack 'gets it right', but LotR and Dark Knight are two I had to 'go out and buy right now'. (I try to grab John Williams' soundtracks as well, but it's like saying 'I'm going to go buy some Rolling Stones records.')
Oh, and for what it's worth, Queen did a terrific job with Highlander, and Freddie Mercury is one of the 'greats', but what Knight's Quest did to rock songs was just wrong.
[This threadjack is over, you may go back to your questions] |
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author
2396 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jul 2009 : 14:12:19
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
Speaking of John Williams' ability to capture characters and mood, I'd rank Howard Shore's Lord of the Rings and Hans Zimmer/James Newton Howard The Dark Knight compositions up there as well. I'm a big movie buff and love when a soundtrack 'gets it right', but LotR and Dark Knight are two I had to 'go out and buy right now'. (I try to grab John Williams' soundtracks as well, but it's like saying 'I'm going to go buy some Rolling Stones records.')
Oh, and for what it's worth, Queen did a terrific job with Highlander, and Freddie Mercury is one of the 'greats', but what Knight's Quest did to rock songs was just wrong.
[This threadjack is over, you may go back to your questions]
Talking about music in my thread is never threadjacking. Let's put it this way: In the room where I work there's a celtic harp, a piano, several recorders (tenor, 2 altos, soprano and sopranino), an Irish whistle, a fiddle, and a classical guitar.
And FWIW, the protagonist of my next novel is a bard.
So feel free to pull up a chair, order a pint, and play whatever tune catches your fancy. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
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Kal_iath
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 30 Jul 2009 : 04:12:37
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| I just finished the Starlight and Shadows series as well as the Best of EC collection. Now I'm even more depressed. So many of my favorite characters are gone forever. Even Sharllara is not the same person she was... *sigh* |
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 30 Jul 2009 : 10:44:40
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Originally posted by Kal_iath
I just finished the Starlight and Shadows series as well as the Best of EC collection. Now I'm even more depressed. So many of my favorite characters are gone forever. Even Sharllara is not the same person she was... *sigh*
True. Even ten years, the time span that elapsed between Windwalker and "Answered Prayers", can make a big difference in someone's life. Since Sharlarra, Thorn, and Liriel are all elves of one sort of another, and since they were quite young when we last saw them, it's entirely possible that they are still alive in the current Realms. That said, I don't expect to revisit their story.
On the bright side, the Realms is now peopled with a whole new group of characters, some of which might become new favorites. |
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Kal_iath
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 31 Jul 2009 : 08:38:24
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I know, but I've only really been an avid reader of Forgotten Realms for about 3 years. So far I've read the Entire Drizzt saga, the Cleric Quintet, Starlight and Shadows, Songs and Swords, all the "Best of" and "Realms of" books, City of Splendors, Blackstaff, Blackstaff Tower, Shandril's saga, & several other one shots like ghostwalker. To me, these characters just became a part of my life and now I already have to let them go.
I would just like to thank you for letting me get to know Danilo, Arilyn, Brownwyn, Liriel and all the gang. You are a wonderful writer and I hope to indulge in many more of your books.
P.S. Cadderly is coming back....so happy. |
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