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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 09 Jul 2005 : 00:15:28
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quote: Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
You are a true font of knowledge, Kuje. Ever thought of applying to the faithful of Deneir in your off time?
C-Fb
Alaundo keeps me to busy and he's always ready with that whip of his. :) |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jul 2005 : 00:52:28
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quote: Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
Dear Elaine,
I know this question has been asked way before, but I couldn't find it in the previous posts I scan (welcoming anyone to tell me if there was an answer). Who kind of elf was Shannada (sp - at work, no book around) supposed to be in the third installment of the Starlight and Shadows book?
C-Fb
To expand on Kuje's answer, I offer you the words of Elaine herself:
quote: When Windwalker ended, Liriel had found two new companions: Thorn, a lythari warrior referred to as a Champion of Eilistraee, and Sharlarra, an elven thief and apprentice wizards. Careful readers of the recently-released game supplement The Unapproachable East picked up on the clues about Sharlarra's identity: she is a "star elf," a subrace of elves originally from the Rashemen area who long ago retreated from the world into a demi-plane. These elves now face some sort of unspecified danger in their adopted home, and have been tentatively exploring a reentry into the Prime Material Plane. They are characterized by their gold-flecked violet eyes, a nighttime increase of their powers, and a certain affinity with spirits. (This is a vastly simplified summary: see the game product for more detail.)
Here's a bit about Sharlarra's history: during one forray into the the Prime Material Plane, her family was slaughtered by slave hunters and she was captured and sold. She eventually ended up in Skullport, where she was rescued from slavery by Qilue's followers. Sharlarra made her way as a thief until she met Laerel Silverhand, who took her to Waterdeep as an apprentice wizard. Sharlarra's experience with drow made her inclined to help Liriel, whom she quickly recognized as a kindred spirit.
There is something in Sharlarra calling her back to her ancestral home, which is another reason she so quickly decided to follow Liriel and Fyodor to Rashemen. Indeed, Fyodor, who knows the old tales of his homeland, had heard tales of star elves, and he invited Sharlarra to return home with them. (Did anyone catch that passage? When he commented to Sharlarra that she would find a welcome in Rashemen, where tales are told of elven maidens with violet eyes?)
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jul 2005 : 04:47:10
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quote: Originally posted by Kuje
quote: Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
You are a true font of knowledge, Kuje. Ever thought of applying to the faithful of Deneir in your off time?
C-Fb
Alaundo keeps me to busy and he's always ready with that whip of his. :)
It's not that. Kuje has learned a secret incantation that allows him to hold the other Great Readers at bay!
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Lameth
Learned Scribe
Germany
196 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jul 2005 : 10:51:58
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Hmmm, I have to marry Elaine and then I will tell her to only write FR novels. |
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author
2396 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jul 2005 : 13:53:08
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quote: Originally posted by Lameth
Hmmm, I have to marry Elaine and then I will tell her to only write FR novels.
It would never work, because a) I'm already married, b) I'm older than dinosaur dung, and c) I never listen to what my CURRENT husband tells me to do....
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jul 2005 : 16:38:50
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quote: Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
quote: Originally posted by Lameth
Hmmm, I have to marry Elaine and then I will tell her to only write FR novels.
It would never work, because a) I'm already married, b) I'm older than dinosaur dung, and c) I never listen to what my CURRENT husband tells me to do....
"Older than dinosaur dung"... I've never heard that one, before. I've heard "older than dirt", but I like yours, too. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jul 2005 : 16:59:40
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Elaine, you continue to remind me of my significant other . . . quite frankly it scares me, lol. |
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ode904
Learned Scribe
Finland
193 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jul 2005 : 22:48:06
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quote: Originally posted by Lameth
Hmmm, I have to marry Elaine and then I will tell her to only write FR novels.
Yeah! We must do somethin' to change your mind. You must write Forgotten Realms only! Or I'll make Lameth marry you! |
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
Finland
1073 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jul 2005 : 12:37:25
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What kind of half-dragon is Elaith`s cousin? |
If I were a ranger, I would pick NDA for my favorite enemy |
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Lameth
Learned Scribe
Germany
196 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jul 2005 : 13:23:56
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quote: Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
quote: Originally posted by Lameth
Hmmm, I have to marry Elaine and then I will tell her to only write FR novels.
It would never work, because a) I'm already married, b) I'm older than dinosaur dung, and c) I never listen to what my CURRENT husband tells me to do....
Greets to your husband. I hope you`ll get much older than 100..... *more books for us* |
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author
2396 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jul 2005 : 13:31:32
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quote: Originally posted by khorne
What kind of half-dragon is Elaith`s cousin?
Silver. |
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dorn
Acolyte
14 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jul 2005 : 11:41:31
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Hi Elaine
I'm a sort of late bloomer in the DnD/FR worlds and sometimes have a little trouble seperating whats 'real' and what not as there are thousands of bits of information about this excellent place you and the others have built for our fun.
One of those bits that interests me is the following.
http://www.candlekeep.com/library/articles/retreat.htm
Is this FR Canon?
If it is not could you perhaps point me in the direction of some source on further info on the Retreat and it's end (apart from Evermeet which i have read and enjoyed!).
Thnaks for your time dorn
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jul 2005 : 12:20:03
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quote: Originally posted by dorn One of those bits that interests me is the following.
http://www.candlekeep.com/library/articles/retreat.htm
Is this FR Canon?
No, it is not.
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If it is not could you perhaps point me in the direction of some source on further info on the Retreat and it's end (apart from Evermeet which i have read and enjoyed!).
You might wish to start a new thread devoted to this topic. Additionally, Richard Baker's trilogy, The Last Mythal has the most recent details on the elves and the end of the Retreat. |
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author
2396 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jul 2005 : 16:04:58
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Just a quick note to let folks know I'm entering another period of cyber-hybernation, and will not be fielding questions for a while. My blog has likewise gone offline. I'll stop by after City of Splendors comes out.
Sweet water, light laughter. ec |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jul 2005 : 17:43:54
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quote: Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
Just a quick note to let folks know I'm entering another period of cyber-hybernation, and will not be fielding questions for a while. My blog has likewise gone offline. I'll stop by after City of Splendors comes out.
Sweet water, light laughter. ec
Until we next hear from you again, warm wishes.
SB |
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
United Kingdom
5695 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jul 2005 : 18:50:41
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quote: Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
Just a quick note to let folks know I'm entering another period of cyber-hybernation, and will not be fielding questions for a while. My blog has likewise gone offline. I'll stop by after City of Splendors comes out.
Sweet water, light laughter. ec
Fare thee well, Elaine. Thank ye once again for thy continued participation and contributions to us here at Candlekeep, it is greatly appreciated.
Be sure to return, for i'm sure there will be many comments and questions upon the release of thy Waterdeep tome |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jul 2005 : 02:18:06
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quote: Originally posted by Alaundo
quote: Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
Just a quick note to let folks know I'm entering another period of cyber-hybernation, and will not be fielding questions for a while. My blog has likewise gone offline. I'll stop by after City of Splendors comes out.
Sweet water, light laughter. ec
Fare thee well, Elaine. Thank ye once again for thy continued participation and contributions to us here at Candlekeep, it is greatly appreciated.
Be sure to return, for i'm sure there will be many comments and questions upon the release of thy Waterdeep tome
Yes, fare well, fair Elaine. And good journey.
We all look forward to your return here to Candlekeep .
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
1378 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jul 2005 : 20:45:18
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Hope everything goes well for you and we await your return! I'm sure we'll all still be here when you come back.
To everyone else, since Elaine has left, I know this question has been answered but I couldn't find it. Why did the Moonflower's have red hair and now they have black hair? Just a question.
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jul 2005 : 22:38:04
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quote: Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
Hope everything goes well for you and we await your return! I'm sure we'll all still be here when you come back.
To everyone else, since Elaine has left, I know this question has been answered but I couldn't find it. Why did the Moonflower's have red hair and now they have black hair? Just a question.
C-Fb
Because Rich didn't do his research and he made an error. :) |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
1378 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jul 2005 : 22:50:26
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Well, I was asking on a more general path - Moon Elves are supposed to have black, blue, or white hair... I was just wondering why these particular moon elves (some of the original on Faerun, if we go by Evermeet) have red hair, and all of Shalario's children had red hair, but no other elves have that now... just was trying to get to the bottom of that mystery.
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Still rockin' the Fey'ri style. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jul 2005 : 23:27:33
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quote: Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
Well, I was asking on a more general path - Moon Elves are supposed to have black, blue, or white hair... I was just wondering why these particular moon elves (some of the original on Faerun, if we go by Evermeet) have red hair, and all of Shalario's children had red hair, but no other elves have that now... just was trying to get to the bottom of that mystery.
C-Fb
Cormanthyr says they can also have blond hair but it's rare. :) |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
1378 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jul 2005 : 23:50:32
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quote: Originally posted by Kuje
quote: Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
Well, I was asking on a more general path - Moon Elves are supposed to have black, blue, or white hair... I was just wondering why these particular moon elves (some of the original on Faerun, if we go by Evermeet) have red hair, and all of Shalario's children had red hair, but no other elves have that now... just was trying to get to the bottom of that mystery.
C-Fb
Cormanthyr says they can also have blond hair but it's rare. :)
Yeah, it's not a big deal, I was just checking to see where it came from. I was just under a different impression. If the Moonflowers have red hair, then they have red hair.
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jul 2005 : 00:18:28
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I think one of the things we fall into is looking at the Realms through the lens of our current, modern world. We rightly see racism as a stupid stance to take, we have the convienience of knowing genetically there is almost no difference between races, and as such, racial superiorty is moronic.
But becuase of our history, we tend to elevate racism to one of the greatest evils, and thus associate anything with even the nearest vestige of racism to be be absolutely evil. Hence, if gold elves are seen as thinking themselves as superior to other races, it is seen as a precursor to being evil in total. Sometimes it is hard to wrap one's mind around the Realms concept that a gold elf might think they are better than any other species around, but they might still sacrifice themselves to save the life of a "lesser" race.
The main reason that moon elves deal with humans better is because they are less likely to tell a human to their face, "we think you have too much body hair, you smell, you don't live long enough to make a truly lasting impression on your society, and even when your wizards learn powerful magic they don't know how to properly use it . . . and you breed like rabits."
Keep in mind, moon elves are just less likely to say it, not to think it!
I think we just very easily pigeonhole things as, "gold elves racist, then they must be evil," instead of thinking "gold elves have a particular racial bias against certain things in other cultures."
BTW, anyone that wants to see an arrogant gold elf that is still good, try to dig up the old Forgotten Realms comics and look at Vartan Hai Sylvar.
Anyway, I know Elaine is driven to distraction by the whole "moon elves good, sun elves bad" thing so I though I would throw my two coppers in. |
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Shadovar
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 13 Jul 2005 : 05:27:46
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I think moon elves or what some called Silver Elves are simply more pragmatic and more practical than their gold elf cousins. Sun or gold elves tend to be too engrossed in their own achievements and culture which made them very arrogant and less tolerant of non-elves as after all they had raised "glorious" societies and maybe raising the great Myth Drannor as some think. Still, The House Vyshaan are an good example of Sun elf arrogance and lack of tolerance toward lesser races. Because of their deep pride in their history and power and so called "glorious" achivements, they the sun elves frown on those who had yet to make something as "glorious" as their achievements. Moon elves I think do not harbor so called racist ideals to non elves as they afterall believe that non-elves are somewhat like them with some level of intelligence and ideals but need guidance and teaching and that's thorugh active engagement with the non-elves. Which the moon elves think are the best way for all elves to coexist and thrive in harmony with the non-elves. At least, they are one level above the gold elves and avariels. |
We have fostered trust, recruited loyalty, and gathered the faithful. We have trained thousands. Our legions can cover the land, fill the sky and travel through the darkness. We can hunt any and all that would deny our heritage. Now is our time, now is the time of the Dark Reign(Rain) of the Empire of Shadows. - High Prince Telemont Tanthul, Lord Shadow In a speech given to the citizens of Shade Enclave At the celebration of the Shinantra Battle victory when he revealed that he was THE Lord Shadow of legend. |
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
United Kingdom
5695 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jul 2005 : 09:37:21
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Well met
Hmmm, i can see this discussion going on for some time. Therefore, I urge one of thee to set up a dedicated scroll to this, rather than discuss it here in Elaine's scroll. Let us try to keep these scrolls with the Chamber of Sages to questions only, rather than full on discussions where the author\designer is not involved.
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author
2396 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jul 2005 : 20:32:50
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I can field this question.
First: Yes, I am deathly weary of all the talk about a novel-induced stereotype of "moon elf GOOD, gold elf BAD." This simplistic summation ignores the many noble, good-aligned gold elf characters in the FR books to focus on the few gold elf villains. It also fails to acknowledge the moon elf rogue Elaith Craulnober, who is perhaps the best known of the not-so-good moon elves. It ignores (or simply missed...) how the novel EVERMEET depicts moon elves as the authors of many of the elves' woes, often in rather ironic fashion. One example is the legend of the moon elf hero who marched into the Abyss to save her lover, thus drawing Lloth/Lolth's attention to the elves of Faerun. The popularity of moonblades amazes me, as does the fact that the brutality of the "moonblade solution" seems to be obscured by the magic swords' kewl factor. It is to ponder.
Now, on to the red vs. black question.
Third edition has brought a number of changes to the elves, including the end of Retreat, the subdivision of existing elven subraces and the addition of new subraces. 3E products describe moon elves as having black, blue, or white hair and blue or green eyes with gold flecks, "with rare exceptions" The game product Cormanthyr, with its nod to exceptions, has already been mentioned. The old gray boxed set was somewhat less restrictive, and mentioned that all hair colors found among humans could be found in the elves.
Queen Amlauril has been depicted with red-gold hair for nearly 15 years, in a variety of FR novels and products. The first such mention was in one of Douglas Nile's Moonshae novels. A more detailed physical description was later given in the 2nd ed game product The Elves of Evermeet." This predated and was a primary source for my novel Evermeet which also depicted Amlaruil with--you guessed it--red-gold hair. Amlaruil also appears with red-gold hair in a previous novel, Silver Shadows.
Unfortunately, the extensive file of notes I compiled during the research process for Evermeet was lost in a move, but at the time I put a great deal of effort into researching on Evermeet's queen. To the best of my knowledge, she was never described as dark-haired in any FR product until her 3E makeover. She is, however, described as having blue hair in a Spelljammer novel (The Radiant Dragon), and I'm to blame for that. At the time I wrote that novel (1990-1991), I could find no physical description of Amlaruil in the FR lore. Since the exotic and fey image associated with blue hair appealed to me, I went that way. Unknown to me, Doug Niles was describing her as having red-gold hair. The books were being written at roughly the same time, with two different editors, and this continuity glitch slipped in through the cracks. There was much rending of hair and gnashing of teeth when I read the first FR description of Amlaruil, which I immediately adopted. Fortunately, none of the (17) people who read the Spelljammer books picked up on this error of continuity.
Since Amlaruil's red-gold coloring was well established, clearly described in the game product most central to the 2nd edition understanding of Evermeet's elves, and contradicted in no FR lore that I could unearth, that's how I depicted her. It seemed reasonable to me that some of her moon elf ancesters would also have red or blond hair. That is why you will find red-haired elves in the novel EVERMEET.
I can understand the desire to emphasize the changes 3E is bringing to the elves, but even 3E products have admitted that "rare exceptions" to moon elf black/blue/white hair do indeed exist. Amlaruil has been well and thoroughly established as one of those expections. The elven queen is no minor NPC with an occasional throw-away mention, but rather the central character in what was previously the most elf-centric novel in the Realms. I was, quite frankly, set back on my heels by the change in Amlaruil's appearance.
Life would be much simpler if all the existing copies of FR novels scattered about the globe were magically retrofitted every time someone changed the game rules or the FR lore. Since this is not (yet) possible, what usually happens is that the older stuff is branded as "wrong." I know it's not reasonable to expect readers to check the copyright page to see when a book was written, and thus what rules it followed. It's much easier for all concerned to simply retreat to the old standby: "FR authors, particularly the ones who have been around for a while, don't follow the rules and/or respect the setting."
So, with that in mind, here'd a few things to ponder. Drizzt was created under first edition rules, and Liriel under second ed. In fact, the plot of Starlight & Shadows was heavily dependant on the 2nd ed limitations on drow magic. I was informed of 3E changes to drow magic while I was writing the third book of the trilogy, and rather than knowingly write an anachronistic book or change game-rule boats in midstream, I wrote a partial explanation for the rule changes into the plot of the story. Drow magic and their powers on the surface world have been different in all three editions, so small discrepancies in the novels, especially those series written over time, are inevitable.
Also for the record, I used the terms green, wild, forest, and wood elves interchangeably in Silver Shadows and the Counselors & Kings trilogy because at the time, those terms were interchangeable. The subdivision of the forest folk into distinct subraces was a later innovation.
One more for the record books: There are no star elves mentioned in Evemeet because the book was written in 1998 and published in 1999, five years before star elves were introduced in a 2003 game product.
In closing, here's a proactive disclaimer: Elaith Craulnober has ALWAYS been officially, canonically described as having silver hair and amber eyes, from his first introduction in the game product "Waterdeep and the North," in the six novels and half dozen short stories, the seven or eight game products, and the Neverwinter Nights video game. If someone decides that as a moon elf, Elaith should have raven black hair and blue eyes, remember, you heard it from Ed Greenwood first, circa 1997.
And now, I really DO have to go.... |
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Chosen of Moradin
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
1120 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jul 2005 : 21:53:54
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Wow! Thanks for the explanation, Elaine! Really, only one author involved with the development of the characters/locals/customs can really understand and feel how hard is when this "contradictions" happens.
What all of us can do is wait and pray for better days, better understanding, better care with the hard work of the ones that are here for so many time.
I want to say that I just have finished the Starlights and Shadows trilogy (a good recomendation of KnightErrantJR and other scribes here at the keep), and I simply fall in love with Liriel, Fyodor, and all the marvelous plot that you have developed. I really expect to see more, much more of your good work for years to come (and Sharlarra is in my list of characters that deserve a sole novel )
Well, what more I have to say is thank you. For your good work and your good will! |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jul 2005 : 21:58:15
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Elaine, I just wanted to take some time to let you know how much I appreciate the work you have done and I want to say that a shared world, especially one that inclued not only novels but also game products must, by its very nature, be difficult to juggle, and yet you have consistantly produced awesome works of literature that I would proudly put up against any modern fantasy.
How you keep your sanity I don't know, but please, never leave the Realms for too long. I would really like to stress that we will miss you too much if you do (and I am really looking forward to the Elaith story in next month's Dragon). |
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Foxhelm
Senior Scribe
Canada
592 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jul 2005 : 22:19:41
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I don't know if Elaine has time for this with her co-novel comming up, and as such will wait for her answers. But I also bring it up to the rest of the fans.
What do you think will be the reactions and effects to Elaine's major elf linked Characters to the Elven "Return"? Or the news of the "Last Mythral" Books when they finally reach them (Perhaps in corrupted forms, like many rumours.)?
Or even Arylin's reaction to the state of Evereska (SP?) after the events of Return of the Archmages or the Battle in Forsaken House? It is her hometown.
Also do you think that a possible major success of the Last Mythral and Realms of the Elves might lead to more Arylin and Danilo novels? (Forgive the spelling. I forget at times.) |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jul 2005 : 15:59:29
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quote: Originally posted by Foxhelm
I don't know if Elaine has time for this with her co-novel comming up, and as such will wait for her answers. But I also bring it up to the rest of the fans.
If you're wishing responses from fans, it might be best to create a new thread devoted to this subject per Alaundo's wishes. |
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