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Originally posted by Adarin

Hello to all. I had been wondering about this for a long time, how did the shadow weave truly originated, can anyone enlighten me?

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From Magic of Faerûn
Shar studied the weave and used her own energy in remote parts of the world to experiment on it, eventually coming to understand how it worked and duplicating its effect with her own subtle an dark creation

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Originally posted by Kajehase

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From Magic of Faerûn
Shar studied the weave and used her own energy in remote parts of the world to experiment on it, eventually coming to understand how it worked and duplicating its effect with her own subtle an dark creation

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This what you were thinking of Wooly?

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Originally posted by Adarin

So it appears the Shadow Weave is independent of the Weave, is it true?

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Originally posted by Shadovar

Greetings, I heard that Mystra is somehow interwined with the Weave, so if she dies, the Weave will collapse. But one question bothers me, will Ao permit the Weave to collapse? From what I think, Ao would want a balance of powers of good and bad.

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Originally posted by Shadovar

Also, if the Weave collapses, all magic save Shadow Magic remains, is it true?

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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

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Originally posted by Shadovar

Also, if the Weave collapses, all magic save Shadow Magic remains, is it true?

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That's what it says in the books, though I don't see how a shadow of something can remain with the original is gone...

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By the time she was completed, she was able to
save only three of Netheril’s floating cities; the rest were utterly
destroyed. These three—Anauria, Asram, and Hlondath—were
high enough above the ground to survive. The cities safely landed,
and the survivors stumbled away from the cities in shock.

Within a few short months, the inhabitants of the surviving
three cities left, fearful of the phaerimm, the gods, and the orcs.
About one-third migrated northward, with the rest traveling
south to create the shadows—or “survivor states” for the optimistic-
of Netheril; Anauria, Asram, and Hlondath.

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Originally posted by Shayan

Cities that survived the Fall of Netheril (I love Netheril )
To quote Netheril: Empire of Magic - WoTC 2E (I think it's downloadable from the WoTC site now)

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By the time she was completed, she was able to
save only three of Netheril’s floating cities; the rest were utterly
destroyed. These three—Anauria, Asram, and Hlondath—were
high enough above the ground to survive. The cities safely landed,
and the survivors stumbled away from the cities in shock.

Within a few short months, the inhabitants of the surviving
three cities left, fearful of the phaerimm, the gods, and the orcs.
About one-third migrated northward, with the rest traveling
south to create the shadows—or “survivor states” for the optimistic-
of Netheril; Anauria, Asram, and Hlondath.

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It mentions nothing of Selûnarra.
I am very interested in finding out what happened to it. Any info is appreciated :)

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Originally posted by Ty

Selunarra was previously known as Opus or am I incorrect?

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Originally posted by Edain Shadowstar

Essentially they are quickly moving towards a good magic/bad magic situation, which I think would be silly and pointless.

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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

When first glancing at this forum today, I saw the word "Spider Weave".

So I think there should be a special Spider Weave just for drow!

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I sent this thread to Ed Greenwood for the definitive two coppers’ worth, and he’s replied.
Here’s Ed:

The concept of darkfire or shadowfire is attractive, but to champion it requires a misunderstanding of what the Shadow Weave really is. It’s NOT (despite the propaganda betimes put out by the clergy of Shar) a separate (and equal) system of magic to the Weave; rather, it exists as an echo of the Weave, matching and surpassing the Weave only when Shar personally feeds it with her divine power (and, being an essentially a selfish, ruthless entity, such feedings will be rare acts indeed; she doesn’t CARE what happens to mortal worshippers).
Spellfire is the raw energy of magic, a taste of the way magic was before there was a Weave, restricted (in some small ways) by the Weave (that is, by the will of Mystra). The Shadow Weave works by drawing on this same energy, so there is no shadowfire: there is only spellfire. Shar as a divine power could give certain of her mortal followers a “darkfire” analagous to the silver fire of Mystra (sharing her divine power, in other words), IF she desired to.
She could not give the Shadow Weave users spellfire, because it, by its very nature, consumes and rends shadow weave-magic far more swiftly and more widely than it does Weave-based spells.
To those who argue that Shar could kill Mystra or destroy the Weave: those two things are the same, as Mystra IS the Weave. No mortal yet knows what would then happen, but it should be obvious that as an echo of the Weave, the Shadow Weave itself would also be destroyed (or would collapse).
Remember, the Weave isn’t the energies of magic. The Weave is magic: that is, a system of harnessing those energies by means of an existing body of spells.
The new TOME OF MAGIC presents three other “systems” of harnessing energies (“magical forces,” most sages would call them). One of those systems is Shadow Magic, and it provides magic that followers of Shar could well turn to, either if the Weave is gone, OR if a DM wants to postulate that Shadow Weave users can tap into this system. Unfortunately, one of the things that Shadow Magic as presented in that tome doesn’t provide users is “shadowfire” or darkfire as it’s been discussed in this thread thus far.
Various TSR and WotC designers and fiction writers and I have discussed these matters many times over the years, to hammer out agreement on the specifics of what Mystra can and can’t do, what Shar can and can’t do, and what the Weave and the Shadow Weave can and can’t do. Please remember two things: divine situations in the Realms aren’t static; there will inevitably be “developments” in the struggle between Shar and Mystra. And as the creator of Shar, Mystra, AND the Realms, I’m in a position to see things more clearly than anyone else.


So saith Ed. Interesting, VERY interesting.
love to all,
THO

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