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Diffan
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 Posted - 19 Dec 2013 : 13:40:46
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Thanks for everything. After some discussion he sat out a game session. We are scrapping his character and starting over. This time I will be going through character generation with him. We have also set a rule that once a rule has been ruled on there wont be any arguong the situation again.I am also going over the gritty campaign concept again and explaining why the other players who have worked hard to get where they are, are enjoying themselves. I am also going over the reasons feats are limited. I am going to try to be politic about it but at this point I could give a flying fart in space if he stays or goes. We had a plesant game without him and his wife actually had a good time without him bullying her into flanking for him and telling her what to do.
Excellent ideas. I come from a strong power-gaming group with similar tendencies so I think I can understand of your view points and I admit that it's hard to get into a new and different play-style as to one your describing. But what wins me over with these sorts of campaigns is the notion that this is a game that's pretty much set on the "Hard" setting. To appeal to his more power-gamey self, have him address it like a challenge. The character creation limitations, the meager HP pool, and the limited feat options should be plenty of incentive to come up with a unique way in which to apply himself as a gamer rather than just going off what's written down on his character sheet.
Before it was simple, just go into cave and roll initiative. But now it's more difficult than that. Actions like that get you killed. Instead try to use diplomacy with the enemy and or bribe them to attack other factions. Use wits and guile rather than combat every time. Utilize magic in interesting ways rather than dropping enemies HPs. The bare-bones minimum these kinds of campaigns facilitate often promote a out-of-box thinking due to necessity.
Also, what really intrigues me about these sorts of campaigns is that it can often pull out a lot of lore about the area and setting overall, which is pretty awesome. By immersing the player into the lore and workings of the setting, I find that they often take a stronger interest in how their characters act within that setting. So I'd work with him in creating a decent back story that utilizes a lot of the setting's grand history. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Dec 2013 : 14:22:50
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| Sounds like you have a good plan. The other thing I'd recommend is that the Mythic book is off the table for your gritty campaign. The Mythic rules are meant to be Pathfinder's "answer" to Epic rules. To give an example, I'm putting together NPC stats for Realms NPCs in Pathfinder and the only characters that have Mythic rules are characters like Elminster and the chosen. |
I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.
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Diffan
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Dec 2013 : 14:43:49
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| Ashe, I'm not sure if that's where the race came from. While looking for a race with 4-arms I came across this book published back in 2003 by Fantasy Flight Games called Legends and Lairs: Mythic Races which describes a humanoid-like race with 4-arms. They get +2 Dex, -2 Con and their "lesser" two arms are weaker than the former, thus being penalized with a -2 Strength score penalty. If I'm not mistaken, that's the race the current player in question is using. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
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Zealot
Seeker
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Posted - 19 Dec 2013 : 15:33:03
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| Diffan that is the race he wanted to play originally I thought he would play an interesting back story and have his character fit into the group. Nope he just wanted someone with multiple attacks right out of the gate. Its hard to challenge someone with low level goblins at low levels when he is taking 4 attacks and then telling mye that realistically while swinging 4 swords and concentrating on an opponent in front of him he takes an attack of opportunity on a running goblin passing behind him. It was enough to drive me around the twist. |
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Diffan
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Posted - 19 Dec 2013 : 21:57:00
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Originally posted by Zealot
Diffan that is the race he wanted to play originally I thought he would play an interesting back story and have his character fit into the group. Nope he just wanted someone with multiple attacks right out of the gate. Its hard to challenge someone with low level goblins at low levels when he is taking 4 attacks and then telling mye that realistically while swinging 4 swords and concentrating on an opponent in front of him he takes an attack of opportunity on a running goblin passing behind him. It was enough to drive me around the twist.
Yeah, I hear what your saying. Well I'm glad to hear your scrapping his character and going though the process with him on making a new one. That sounds like the best approach to me. Like I said earlier, immerse him into the lore and setting elements. If he likes playing a Ninja, letting him know about the various thieves guilds and black-networks in the setting like the Zhentarim, the Shadow Thieves, the Night Masks, etc. might get him interested in making contacts with them or fill out his character on more than just what's written down on his character sheet. |
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a little dm help
