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Originally posted by The Arcanamach

When Mystra died (and disappeared for a century) did her Chosen lose their silverfire? I ask because they didn't seem to lose it when her predecessor died but the last round of El novels seemed to indicate that he no longer possessed it. Did it deplete over time or was it lost altogether? (assuming it was lost at all).

Part of my confusion lies in the fact that he found Symrustar in the Underdark with her silverfire intact, or am I remembering wrongly? Also, Manshoon had silverfire upon his death in El Enraged.

Personally, since the silverfire was only supposed to be lost if it were willingly given up I prefer that they kept it (and perhaps it was depleted w/o the Weave to replenish it).

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Originally posted by Lilianviaten

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Originally posted by The Arcanamach

When Mystra died (and disappeared for a century) did her Chosen lose their silverfire? I ask because they didn't seem to lose it when her predecessor died but the last round of El novels seemed to indicate that he no longer possessed it. Did it deplete over time or was it lost altogether? (assuming it was lost at all).

Part of my confusion lies in the fact that he found Symrustar in the Underdark with her silverfire intact, or am I remembering wrongly? Also, Manshoon had silverfire upon his death in El Enraged.

Personally, since the silverfire was only supposed to be lost if it were willingly given up I prefer that they kept it (and perhaps it was depleted w/o the Weave to replenish it).

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Wait, did you say Manshoon had silverfire in Elminster Enraged? Wouldn't his undead (vampire) status prevent him from possessing silverfire?

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Originally posted by The Arcanamach

Yes he did have silverfire. El comments (or thinks) about his madness being brought on by holding/using the silverfire for too long/much. I guess it's the same thing that happened to Sammaster.

As to undead being able to have silverfire: Are you confusing that with the fact that Mystra would not allow any undead to be Magister? I don't recall reading anything preventing undead from being her Chosen and having silverfire. And don't forget that Sylune was a spectral harpist.

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Originally posted by silverwolfer

meh who needs silver fire, Sammaster has dragons to breath dragon fire!

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Originally posted by silverwolfer

meh who needs silver fire, Sammaster has dragons to breath dragon fire!

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had dragons, didnt he die off with those paladins went and partied making the dracorage mythal blow up and died?

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Originally posted by Markustay

A vampire can use Silverfire?

From what I've read in previous lore, that makes no sense at all.

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Originally posted by The Arcanamach

Perhaps Manshoon had silverfire before becoming a vampire and was somehow able to retain it. I guess we will know in the next book. Which reminds me, I would really like a Manshoon series.

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Originally posted by The Arcanamach

That's true, I don't recall any overt use of silverfire on his part. He could still have bonus spells and what have you though...or would it be bonus uses of encounter spells under 4e?

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That's true, I don't recall any overt use of silverfire on his part. He could still have bonus spells and what have you though...or would it be bonus uses of encounter spells under 4e?

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From Manshoon's 4E Stat-block he does not have Silver fire but it woudln't be hard to incorporate it or change a power to emulate Silve Fire. Also, just because he doesn't show having it doesn't mean that the character no longer has that ability, it just probably isn't something he resorts to very often.

Silve Fire power, however, is very nice and something a Simbarch of Aglarond can use 1/encounter.

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Originally posted by Emma Drake

Please forgive my ignorance, as I've not read any of the 4e materials, but isn't silver fire pulled from the Weave? And if there is no Weave, how do people have it? Is there something else called silver fire in 4e that is not the same as the silver fire that the Chosen of Mystra use?

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Originally posted by Therise



Larloch can't touch Silver Fire because he is intimately tied into the Shadow Weave. Being undead may not be a problem in and of itself, because many undead (baelnorn, for example) can use high-end Weave magics.

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That's true, I don't recall any overt use of silverfire on his part. He could still have bonus spells and what have you though...or would it be bonus uses of encounter spells under 4e?

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From Manshoon's 4E Stat-block he does not have Silver fire but it woudln't be hard to incorporate it or change a power to emulate Silve Fire. Also, just because he doesn't show having it doesn't mean that the character no longer has that ability, it just probably isn't something he resorts to very often.

Silve Fire power, however, is very nice and something a Simbarch of Aglarond can use 1/encounter.

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Please forgive my ignorance, as I've not read any of the 4e materials, but isn't silver fire pulled from the Weave? And if there is no Weave, how do people have it? Is there something else called silver fire in 4e that is not the same as the silver fire that the Chosen of Mystra use?

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Originally posted by The Red Walker

Now you guys are taxing my memeory here...but I remeber reading(in and Ed novel I think) that upon death of the weilder....silver fire is reabsorbed into the weave and kind of meanders through until Mystra can redistribute it. and that a rough summation of my fuzzy recollection. but it seem pretty clear that it wasnt just "left hanging".

And the short Story "Tears So White" is a must read for any interested in Larloch and his hunger for/inability to touch the silver fire.

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Originally posted by Diffan


While Manshoon and Elminster don't have Silver Fire listed in their blocks I don't think it would be a stretch for them to be able to use it since they were tied into the Weave at some point. Those who've chosen to champion Aglarond can use a form of Silver Fire. It uses the same name and the description reads as follows:

You summon a jet of pure magical power that burns through all defenses and empowers your other spells.

It's an encounter power for that Paragon path that has a range of 50 ft. and targets one creature. The attack uses Intelligence but with a heafty +8 to the roll so even if your primary stat is say....Wisdom or Charisma you can still benefit from it since it's SUCH are large bonus. The damage appears meager (only 1d6 + Intelligence modifier) but the damage is consistant thoughout the REST of the battle due to the target taking additional damage = to 1/2 your level whenever you hit it again. So a 14th level Wizard would hit the target with Silver fire for say, 1d6 + 5 + other stuff like enchantment bonuses, items, feats, yadda-yadda and for the entirety of the battle each attack would deal an additional 7 damage on top......just cuz'.

Now if your not familiar with the rules for 4E, this is pretty strong since you can make multiple attacks via Action Points and other gimmicks. And having TWO people with Silver Fire have an easier chance of ending the lives of strong monsters quicker.

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